# Need a specific first-time-in-a-long-time mix!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 11, 2011, 11:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-specific-first-time-in-a-long-time-mix/52777 "2011-10-11T23:53:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RustyShackleford](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@RustyShackleford](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RustyShackleford)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 11:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-specific-first-time-in-a-long-time-mix/52777/1 "2011-10-11T23:53:04Z")
Hey friends! First off, a big hello to everyone. It’s been years since I’ve posted here. I’ve not used my mones much since those days as I was in a long, steady relationship until fairly recently. Now, it’s game on. Things have changed a lot in what’s available and I’m really interested in this A314 I’ve been seeing so much about. I’m treating my re-introduction as if I’m using these for the first time and starting fresh. I’ve got to-gos of: Openness, Honestly, Shine, A314 and a leftover full-size bottle of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) from a couple years ago. Here’s my situation. I’m having lunch tomorrow with a girl that I’d like to take it past a friend level with. I’m tall (6’5), in fairly good shape, but for some reason always seem to be at the bottom of the pecking order, if that makes since. I’m never that “go-to guy” guy with the “it” quality for perceived reasons I can’t figure out. But, this girl and I are having lunch tomorrow. We’ve hung out at lunch and group dinners a couple times and went to a concert together once. So, we have a good friend history but I definitely don’t think I’m in the friend zone. Anyway, I’d like for her to see me in a different light…see me with that “it” quality, and feel attraction. Also want her to see me as big and important, someone she needs to be around. Something that’ll help lay some foundation for me to lay some pipe! KIDDING. I actually really like this girl, but couldn’t help make the joke. But you get what I’m saying. Alright, I’m in your hands now…what should I use?? And again, it’s good to be back. Hope you all are doing well. ---
**Author:** ![Twinturbo4486](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/45deac/32.png) [@Twinturbo4486](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twinturbo4486)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 12:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-specific-first-time-in-a-long-time-mix/52777/2 "2011-10-12T00:48:10Z")
> [@RustyShackleford](#): > > Hey friends! > > First off, a big hello to everyone. It’s been years since I’ve posted here. I’ve not used my mones much since those days as I was in a long, steady relationship until fairly recently. Now, it’s game on. Things have changed a lot in what’s available and I’m really interested in this A314 I’ve been seeing so much about. > > I’m treating my re-introduction as if I’m using these for the first time and starting fresh. I’ve got to-gos of: Openness, Honestly, Shine, A314 and a leftover full-size bottle of Ammo from a couple years ago. > > Here’s my situation. I’m having lunch tomorrow with a girl that I’d like to take it past a friend level with. I’m tall (6’5), in fairly good shape, but for some reason always seem to be at the bottom of the pecking order, if that makes since. I’m never that “go-to guy” guy with the “it” quality for perceived reasons I can’t figure out. > > But, this girl and I are having lunch tomorrow. We’ve hung out at lunch and group dinners a couple times and went to a concert together once. So, we have a good friend history but I definitely don’t think I’m in the friend zone. > > Anyway, I’d like for her to see me in a different light…see me with that “it” quality, and feel attraction. Also want her to see me as big and important, someone she needs to be around. Something that’ll help lay some foundation for me to lay some pipe! KIDDING. I actually really like this girl, but couldn’t help make the joke. > > But you get what I’m saying. > > Alright, I’m in your hands now…what should I use?? > > And again, it’s good to be back. Hope you all are doing well. Welcome back! I’m pretty new as well, BUT for attraction I can highly recommend AMMO. I would at least put a spray or two of that stuff on before lunch. I’ve been using it for a week now, and the girl I have been taking to lunch at work for months now, asked me to go out this weekend and have been so much more flirtacious and into me than before. I haven’t tried A314, I just got some [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) in today but haven’t tried it. I’m new so I know my opinion doesn’t hold too much value, but I can honestly say AMMO has significantly helped my game and helped with attraction. EDIT: Sorry I couldn’t help much with mixes as I don’t have the experience. But I did want to say the thing with that girl isn’t the only thing that’s happened. Everyone at work, their whole attitude towards me has changed for the better. It has helped a ton with attraction and hits with cute girl customers (I work in an office setting). Only thing I can say for me though is three sprays got me ghosted. I found my sweet spot at 2. Then again I’m not a big guy so maybe that has something to do with it and why I can’t wear too much without OD’ing. Good luck to ya! ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-specific-first-time-in-a-long-time-mix/52777/3 "2011-10-12T01:32:57Z")
Sounds like you’re in the almost-but-not-quite friend zone. Has there ever been any flirtation with this girl? You need to indirectly let on that you are a sexual person, which of course flirting would help with. As for pheros, sounds like a job for Ammo. If you want a combo, consider what each of the others do and determine for yourself if that’s something you need a little pheromonal push with. Instant Honesty- Mild truth serum. Gets a person comfortable talking about stuff that might not be normally disclosed, or at least not until a bit of time has passed and social rapport has been achieved. Accomplishes this by helping create a level of comfort and a sense of trust. Can also produce similar self effects. [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)- Creates a similar level of comfort and eases approachability. Not quite as trusting as Instant Honesty, but does give off an approachable vibe. Works well in combination with Instant Honesty. A314- Status building, giving a sense of authority to the wearer. Plants a solid “Alpha” label on the wearer’s forehead, but one _must_ behave in a way that is congruent to the pheromone profile or there will be a disparity between what is perceived and what is actually seen by others. This disparity may even backfire and become off-putting. Ammo- Playfully sexual. Fun, but establishing that there is a sexuality there and it’s not afraid to come out. Has enough social buffering to not come on too strong, so is safe to wear a modest application on a first date without fear of looking like a horndog. These are just my own interpretations of the products based on my own experience, but the Instant line and named products all have a reputation of being fairly consistent. Consider what you want to accomplish and see if what you have can help. ---
**Author:** ![RustyShackleford](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@RustyShackleford](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RustyShackleford)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-specific-first-time-in-a-long-time-mix/52777/4 "2011-10-12T01:36:30Z")
I NEED the status building/sense of authority. I’m a nice guy and I need that to compensate. Will being nice counter the a314? ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-specific-first-time-in-a-long-time-mix/52777/5 "2011-10-12T01:40:13Z")
> [@RustyShackleford](#): > > I NEED the status building/sense of authority. I’m a nice guy and I need that to compensate. Will being nice counter the a314? Well, it depends on the definition of “nice”. If you mean “polite and courteous”, not at all. An alpha male treats others with respect. BUT… some people like to confuse “nice” with “door mat”. A door mat always agrees with a girl and never calls her out on bullshit out of fear of turning her away. So sure, be polite and courteous while wearing A314 and have no fear that you’re going to screw it up. Just don’t be a weenie. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RustyShackleford](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@RustyShackleford](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RustyShackleford)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-specific-first-time-in-a-long-time-mix/52777/6 "2011-10-12T01:42:38Z")
No weenie here. Just usually the nice guy. I have no problems crap checking someone though! So are we saying Ammo and A314? I’m sorta surprised there’s no Shine in there. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-specific-first-time-in-a-long-time-mix/52777/7 "2011-10-12T01:47:27Z")
Oops, sorry, I missed Shine in your list. Shine’s just a fun, feel-good product that can polish just about any combo. It’s too bad you don’t have any [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/). IG is sometimes referred to as “A314-light”. It doesn’t have any androstenone in it, and would work well with Ammo. The thing you want to avoid is overdoing the -none by combining A314 and Ammo. Of course, between the two, there’s a lot of social mones mixed in, so it might not be a problem. Maybe start off with some A314 and Instant Shine, and in the middle of the date, duck into a restroom and add in a couple of spritzes of Ammo to get the sexual vibe working. ---
**Author:** ![RustyShackleford](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@RustyShackleford](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RustyShackleford)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-specific-first-time-in-a-long-time-mix/52777/8 "2011-10-12T01:50:01Z")
Good advice. It’s just a lunch thing though so I don’t wanna be flying over the table, metaphorically speaking. Basically want I want to spark is, “Hmm..I never really noticed him like that before” and be open to going on a formal dinner and more date. So in other words, I want the lunch thing to be the portal to doing the dinner thing where we kick in the TUTH and what not. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-specific-first-time-in-a-long-time-mix/52777/9 "2011-10-12T01:58:40Z")
> [@RustyShackleford](#): > > Good advice. It’s just a lunch thing though so I don’t wanna be flying over the table, metaphorically speaking. Basically want I want to spark is, “Hmm..I never really noticed him like that before” and be open to going on a formal dinner and more date. So in other words, I want the lunch thing to be the portal to doing the dinner thing where we kick in the TUTH and what not. Ah, gotcha. Of course, it goes without saying, don’t let the pheros do all the work. I mean, if you’re interested in her, sometimes the best thing to do is just say it. I’m horrible at beating around the bush myself, and it 20/20 hindsight SUCKs. If lunch is going well, convo is flowing, and chemistry is there, ask her out on a real evening date. Buck tradition and forego dinner and a movie for something off the wall. ---
**Author:** ![RustyShackleford](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@RustyShackleford](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RustyShackleford)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-specific-first-time-in-a-long-time-mix/52777/10 "2011-10-12T02:03:04Z")
Definitely. Will have to play it by ear and just go balls to the wall. Life’s too short not to. But I’m a beat around the bush kind of person too. I just need a little help from the pheros…definitely wouldn’t let them do the work. But when they’re helping you connect, you just “know” it, know what I mean? I miss that. Okay, so let’s pick a definitive mix to go with tomorrow. A314 and IS for the lunch thing? Also, is it bad to risk trying A314 for the first time with this? ---
**Author:** ![Twinturbo4486](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/45deac/32.png) [@Twinturbo4486](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twinturbo4486)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-a-specific-first-time-in-a-long-time-mix/52777/11 "2011-10-12T02:15:59Z")
I wish I could just “Duck into the bathroom and spray some ammo on”, because man… it’s sooo damn strong on me it’s a put off. One day on my lunch break at work I threw on ONE extra spray of AMMO a whole 45 minutes before having to go back to work and everyone commented at work. They were like “Did you put enough cologne on there?”. "AMMO is something I have to be easy with and even then put it on AT LEAST an hour before I am to be around a date or people. It’s just too obvious I ducked away and sprayed on cologne which is kind of embarassing IMO so be careful with that.