# Need advice for combining/using pheromones **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 9, 2013, 1:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970 "2013-09-09T13:44:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Eazail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Eazail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eazail)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 1:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/1 "2013-09-09T13:44:47Z")
I ordered 4 togo [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/): Ammo IO IS P83 This will be my first time using pheromones so I want to have some insight on how to use them correctly. For example what are these 4 capable of doing, what combo is good for sexual attraction, what’s good for attracting females in my age group (20’s), and what are some beginner mistakes I can avoid. One other thing I’ve seen discussed was certain pheromones attracting woman of a specific race more so than others in specific mixes. For example what is a good combination for attracting black woman? Thanks Thanks ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/2 "2013-09-09T15:00:01Z")
#1 Biggest beginner mistake: Not reading enough before asking questions. 😉 Seriously though… the Search tool is your friend, and the Stickies are there for a reason! Read these. If you still have questions, search for the individual mones and read others accounts. If you STILL have questions, then ask 🙂 > [@What works: CLUBBING/"PROWL" MIXES (eg sex: as in One Night Stands)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-works-clubbing-prowl-mixes-eg-sex-as-in-one-night-stands/224): > > Okay, I figure I’d start some threads aimed at SPECIFIC topics, and ask for SPECIFIC recommendations. Please post your BEST products/applications/mixes that you have developed for CLUBBING/“PROWL” MIXES (eg sex: as in One Night Stands) Please post things that have worked, not just idle speculation. Please note possibly pertinent information such as ages (yours and “targets”/“test subjects”), environment, etc. And do what would you think if your mix (or someone elses mix) were turned into a … > [@Application points 101: a guide to where on the body to apply pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/53343): > > Originally found here: [Application points 101: chest, neck and ears, and taming -none products under a shirt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/52170) Application Points 101 You gesture your hand with precision, moving across the audiences olfactory senses, with every calculated move, you enhance their senses and draw them in. You smile as you move around the room, trailing behind you the scent, people look around and spot you, from the corner of your eye, you spot a women, possibly of your dreams for that night. You draw her in wit… > [@Pheromones for Pickup: Attraction, Comfort, Seduction](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832): > > Which pheromones do you guys use for each phase of seduction, in terms of something like the Mystery Method or Neil Strauss’ Game? We were thinking something like this: Attraction: IO or Liquid Sunshine + Instant Shine + small amount of TUTH The IO or one of the Liquid Sunshine mixes would make people chatty, make 'em feel good The Shine will make them feel even better. Increase the energy, and make you seem like one of those people everyone likes to be around. An optimistic, bright breath o… > [@Updated AndroticsDirect Pheromones for newbies](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/updated-androticsdirect-pheromones-for-newbies/39802): > > AD offers a wide array of pheromones out there. There’s been more and more new users asking about products and what not. To start off here are some basic guides for pheromones. This is a great writeup by Steve O to test pheromones out that you receive. [How to find your sweet spot… - PheroTalk Pheromone Research Forum](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-find-sweet-spot/55943)[http://www.pheromonetalk.com/introductions-new-users-say-hello-today/introduction-](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-the-introductions-new-users-say-hello-category/189702)[pheromones-names-size-strength-use-46373.html](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43012) Here is also a guide to the molecules by toilofd… > [@An Introduction to Mones: Names, Size, Strength, Use, Effects & Duration](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43003): > > Welcome to an exciting world of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). By joining our community you have taken a HUGE step in progressing a science that is cutting edge and still in its infancy. This community is globally important in recognizing pheromones, and Neuroinfluence Technology ? and their impact on human communication. There are thousands of posts here and thousands more users. Each one of us, including you, adds a unique dynamic to the community from our individual perspectives, experiences and our research an… A quick recap though: AMMO = Attraction, cool, sexy IO = Lots and Lots of talking. IS = I feel good, everyone around you will too p83 = Disinhibitor. Great combo with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)… ---
**Author:** ![Eazail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Eazail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eazail)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/3 "2013-09-09T16:33:56Z")
> [@sharkndragon](#): > > #1 Biggest beginner mistake: Not reading enough before asking questions. > > 😉 > > Seriously though… the Search tool is your friend, and the Stickies are there for a reason! > Read these. If you still have questions, search for the individual mones and read others accounts. If you STILL have questions, then ask 🙂 > > [What works: CLUBBING/"PROWL" MIXES (eg sex: as in One Night Stands)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-works-clubbing-prowl-mixes-eg-sex-as-in-one-night-stands/224) > > [Application points 101: a guide to where on the body to apply pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/53343) > > [Pheromones for Pickup: Attraction, Comfort, Seduction](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832) > > [Updated AndroticsDirect Pheromones for newbies](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/updated-androticsdirect-pheromones-for-newbies/39802) > > [An Introduction to Mones: Names, Size, Strength, Use, Effects & Duration](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43003) > > A quick recap though: > > AMMO = Attraction, cool, sexy > IO = Lots and Lots of talking. > IS = I feel good, everyone around you will too > p83 = Disinhibitor. Great combo with Ammo… Thanks for the links I read through them but am still looking for more specific answers for what I can do. I’m not sure what to try first or what to combine with yet. I’m also curious about how you can target a specific age group and race using the 4 mones I ordered. Any help is greatly appriciated. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/4 "2013-09-09T16:44:35Z")
You need to test. Pick one product and find your sweet spot… start with 1 spray and work up to higher doses, keeping a detailed journal about whatever happens to you and to others at each dose. Then move on to the next product… If you start combining immediately, you won’t know which product is working for you, or how. Make sense? Here’s a quick search for “black” > [@What mone is most effective for attracting Black females.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mone-is-most-effective-for-attracting-black-females/51411): > > Recently met a black female. Actually “met” isn’t quite the right word. She moved into my building and we literally almost ran into each other the other day while opening the door to the mail boxes in the front entrance. She was extremely fit and wearing short jean shorts and tight white t-shirt, not that it matters what she was wearing but I just like picturing her in my mind. smiley I wasn’t wearing any mones at this time but it got me wondering what would work to engage her in a conversati… > [@Pheromones and Black Women](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-black-women/59925): > > Very Simple Mix: 2 drops of A314(behind both ears), 4 sprays of Shine(2 back of the neck, and 2 in hair), 3 sprays of IO(2 on the neck and 1 on the forearm) and 2 sprays of IH on the neck. Hello all, I’ve been wearing this mix for 4 days and notice that black women aren’t affected by it. I have had a quite of ioi from caucasian women and none from black women. I’m still new to [Pheromones](https://a314.com/) so I don’t know if it’s something in the mix that says “black women stay away” or the mones affect each race… > [@Attracting Black Girls](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-black-girls/27183): > > i work in a retail environment in a black area opposite a university so as you can imagine there is a fair ammount of black girls passing through. what would be best to attract them? > [@What should a black male use?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-should-a-black-male-use/58069): > > Hello, I am new here and would really appreciate some help. I tried searching for this topic, but could not find an answer. If there is something steering me in that direction would be great. I am 27 years old black male, who is very successful careerwise and I would say decent looking. I live in philadelphia (the nice part) and enjoy the young professional crowd. This crowd however is mainly made up of early 20s to mid 30s white women mostly followed by Asian and Indian second and race agnost… ---
**Author:** ![XyzN](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xyzn/32/2416_2.png) [@XyzN](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XyzN)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/5 "2013-09-09T16:44:58Z")
Just a quick tip I recently learned myself on regular Ammo: Let the scent die down a bit, say 15, 30 mins before you walk out to where ever. I work with 5 females in my morning job. One of them came over to me saying how my cologne was too strong for her, then 3 of the other agreed when they all came around and sniffed me lol. Though when the scent dies down, I had them before make note of how great I smelled and they’d love to stand by me all day. So let it dry a bit. Also something I have yet to try is instead of applying 2 sprays of Ammo for a long day, space it out and do 1 now and 1 later. That way this over-bearing scent won’t be a problem as much and you’ll be able to refresh your scent later in the day (say at work, where the ladies will get hit with you walking back in after reapplying). ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/6 "2013-09-09T16:48:22Z")
Good point, if you went with the Regular scent. Summer edition is more pleasant IMO ---
**Author:** ![XyzN](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xyzn/32/2416_2.png) [@XyzN](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XyzN)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/7 "2013-09-09T16:59:50Z")
I haven’t yet tried [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) myself, only cause I feel like Ammo gets you down to business faster. SE has that extra relaxing mone or something. Yeah you’ll be easier to get attracted to, but throw the relaxant mone away and it’ll be easier to take things to the next level. Or get how you want to be viewed (sexually) faster than SE. Just a theory though. Also on the scent, as I’ve posted a few times before, Ammo’s super strong scent is one of its advantages. Knocks off those “light” scents lots of other guys wear and makes you the star of the show. i.e. You’re noticed for sure (for better or for worse lol) when you walk by someone. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/8 "2013-09-09T17:02:42Z")
All depends on your approach. SE has TAA and 102 I think… IShine and 102 seems to be a social enhancer of sorts. I haven’t tested it alone enough to tell for sure. In any case, that’s My game. Play the Sexy/Social/Fun, and then add some TUTH if things head in that direction. ---
**Author:** ![Eazail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Eazail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eazail)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 5:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/9 "2013-09-10T05:14:45Z")
These are some good tips. I am still a little fuzzy on the right ones to use for attracting younger females in their 20’s so I’m going to search for some answers for that. You guys have been very helpful thanks. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 5:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/10 "2013-09-10T05:27:29Z")
At its most general, younger women are more tuned-in to less Androstenone and a more broad-based social/sexy signature. So Ammo, IS and IO are all good there (P83 works across the board) However, even in their 20s, there can be a big change in none response, so a woman in her mid 20s will often show better results to more none compared to a late-teens/early 20s girl. Then the situation will also affect matters and a dose that might repel them in a work/school environment will be much more acceptable in a bar/club. This is why testing to find your dose range for different situations is important. Then, black and hispanic women do tend to be more responsive to higher levels of Androstenone across the board but will still respond to the social elements just as well. This is why once you have your dose range, something like a little bit of TUTH (or even plain Androstenone) can be useful to fine tune you mix proportions around them. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Eazail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Eazail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eazail)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 6:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/11 "2013-09-10T06:39:35Z")
Thanks. It sounds almost fun to test out different combos to figure out what works best for certain situations. I would have probably ordered some TUTH with my other mones had it been available. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/12 "2013-09-10T08:51:33Z")
Not might be fun, definitely IS fun 🙂 especially when your goal is to target females! ---
**Author:** ![Eazail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Eazail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eazail)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 12:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/13 "2013-09-10T12:10:19Z")
Quick question, is there a difference in the amount of sprayed that comes out when comparing the normal sizes to the togo sizes? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 12:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/14 "2013-09-10T12:51:31Z")
> [@Eazail](#): > > Quick question, is there a difference in the amount of sprayed that comes out when comparing the normal sizes to the togo sizes? Togo spray volume is approx 80% of a fullsize. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Sea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.sea/32/1227_2.png) [@Mr.Sea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Sea)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/15 "2013-09-10T18:19:22Z")
So let’s clarify your situation: Your target is a 20’s Black Female Are they early 20’s or late 20’s? Where are you meeting them, club, bar, work, date with someone you know? What is your personality type? Are you willing to go up and talk to them or are you expecting them to just introduce themselves? What do you expect to happen? You in your first post attract sexually so are you trying to do a one night stand or build a relationship? Your asking for help but we need your ideal situation to even know if it is going to work or how to approch it if it does. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![Eazail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Eazail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eazail)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/16 "2013-09-10T18:58:36Z")
Not sure I can answer all those but here’s a few details. For age early 20’s, the target atm is someone I just started working with. My personality has been changing as time goes on, gaining more confidence but still have some shyness and uncertainty in some situations. As for one night stand or relationship I’m somewhere in between, what ever happens, happens. But with the current target I think of it more like practice for the future because I want to find new targets (females). I’m not really looking for a relationship with her tho as we are coworkers but still I’d like to see what happens. I like woman of all races btw and I’m interested in woman who are in their upper 20’s as well. Hope that helps ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Sea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.sea/32/1227_2.png) [@Mr.Sea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Sea)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 4:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/17 "2013-09-11T04:44:59Z")
> [@Eazail](#): > > Not sure I can answer all those but here’s a few details. For age early 20’s, the target atm is someone I just started working with. My personality has been changing as time goes on, gaining more confidence but still have some shyness and uncertainty in some situations. > > As for one night stand or relationship I’m somewhere in between, what ever happens, happens. But with the current target I think of it more like practice for the future because I want to find new targets (females). I’m not really looking for a relationship with her tho as we are coworkers but still I’d like to see what happens. I like woman of all races btw and I’m interested in woman who are in their upper 20’s as well. Hope that helps Awesome information, that gives a much better picture. So the girl your experimenting with is someone you want to get some IOI from just as a test subject to see if it goes anywhere. So since is she is early 20’s you would want something less intimitating then A314 but appropriate for work. IG/IS combo is something I have used but I haven’t been looking for IOI so maybe put a little Ammo in there. Other people on this form are much better with the IOI stuff since I use it primaraly for sales. How often are you around her? Do you work with her or just in the same building. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 5:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/18 "2013-09-11T05:08:46Z")
Here’s a link to the IOI sticky: > [@How to Tell a Woman is Interested In You -- The Master "Indicators of Interest List"](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-tell-a-woman-is-interested-in-you-the-master-indicators-of-interest-list/8333): > > Multiple looks. Women have much better If you catch us looking at you more than once, it’s probably becuse we’re attracted and we can’t help it. You catching us looking at all. Women look at you fast. If you catch us looking at you, this may be because we’re attracted. Not always (I get horrified when I see someone catching me looking when I’m not actually interested), but often. You guys have muscle, but we have social muscles. WHen you catch us being less than discreet, we often mean it and/… I have trouble picking up on the more sutble hits, but you get better at it as you continue to experiment, and remain mindful of your surroundings. On the other hand, you could just spray it and forget it. Go about your day as you normally would, but make a promise to yourself to follow every lead \*you notice. Then, at the end of the day, tally up your accomplishments and make the call as to whether or not it was typical or atypical. ---
**Author:** ![Eazail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Eazail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eazail)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 5:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/19 "2013-09-11T05:53:37Z")
> [@Mr.Sea](#): > > Awesome information, that gives a much better picture. So the girl your experimenting with is someone you want to get some IOI from just as a test subject to see if it goes anywhere. So since is she is early 20’s you would want something less intimitating then A314 but appropriate for work. IG/IS combo is something I have used but I haven’t been looking for IOI so maybe put a little Ammo in there. Other people on this form are much better with the IOI stuff since I use it primaraly for sales. > How often are you around her? Do you work with her or just in the same building. I currently only have Ammo, IO, IS, and p83. Do you know some good combos using these specific mones? I’ll have to try the ones you listed too. Thanks for the Edit: I forgot to mention that we work together altho have different duties. When we work together I see her often but usually she is passing through quickly as she is on the floor mostly while I’m on the desk and workroom. I still am able to talk some with her tho. I’d day we work together around 12hrs a week. She is also kind of shy but responds when I talk to her and laughs. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 6:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970/20 "2013-09-11T06:03:58Z")
All four make a good combo! My suggestion - 2-3 sprays AMMO 2 sprays each IO, IS (assuming they’re 1x strength) 30-50mcg total of p83 HOWEVER. Test Ammo alone first. Then test IO alone, IS alone etc… If you don’t test them by themselves for at least a week EACH, even if you get Hits on your combo, you won’t know what to attribute it to. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-for-combining-using-pheromones/59970.md?page=2)