# Need Advice - Mones + Game **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 4, 2011, 9:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600 "2011-06-04T09:59:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2011, 9:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/1 "2011-06-04T09:59:13Z")
Hi guys, been a while since I’ve posted anything on discussion. Things have been pretty crazy for me and my reports will be coming in soon once my new shipment of p74, p79 and mx297 come in next week. I’ve been currently hanging out with a bunch of new friends I met at a club in the last two weeks, we’re all in the mid twenties range. One of whom just came out of a ltr of a few years just last month alone. She’s quite distraught and down. I do find her pretty attractive with quite a dynamite personality and I’ve been trying to figure out how I can close the distance between me and her. Her friends and my friends tell me she enjoys my company and thinks well of me but are unsure of how she feels. I’ve worne 1. ISx4 (1 spray), Ammunition (2 sprays), P83 (30mcg) and she responded well, specifically requested a friend to ask me out for another outing (she didn’t have my number) 2. mx297 (3 sprays), [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) (2 sprays), ISx4 (1 spray) A little stickiness coming from her. Sitting beside me or moving/walking with me when out as a group 3. TUTH (2 sprays), ISx2 (2 sprays), P83 (20mcg) Not much response with this one, although she did text me afters saying that I was a sweet guy who took care of my friends We’ve been exchanging alot of texts and they’re non sexual, literally goofy sometimes with me trying to throw in sarcasm or cocky-funny lines. Her own close friend feels she’s in an ambigious state and is concerned that I should not do anything that might land me in a rebound position. **The Advice/Help Needed** She’s the sporty kind and seems to be ok with fairly high none signatures. I like the stickiness mx297 gives, while I do want and need to escalate attraction Anyone have any mixes to recommend and any plan of actions/game I might be able to follow. I’ve got A314, IG, IJ, IS, IO, IH, Ammo, TUTH, mx297, p78, p83 with p74 and p79 coming next week. I’m a little hesitant to start solo sweet spot testing with p74 and p79 around her though as I don’t really want to risk responses that I’m not familiar with or can’t expect ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/2 "2011-06-04T17:25:22Z")
She just came out of a relationship so she’s probably a bit leery right now of getting into anything serious. I would keep in something like ammo for the attraction qualities, but tone it down, amp up the more mature/alpha type products like IG or A314, then toss in some IH and IS…I would even go so far as to get some A1. I used a very similar mix to mend a pretty broken relationship last year. My mix was something along the lines of: 1-2 drops A314 + 1 spray of Ammo + 2-4 sprays IS + 1-2 sprays of IH 4x + 25mcg of A1. If you feel any kind of pull back from this mix, tone down IH and A1 until she feels a bit more comfortable around you. I found that coming in with the IH so strong (had 2 sprays of 4x on) caused my girl to pull away. The conclusion I came up with was that she just wasn’t ready to make nice with me yet, and the desire to do so was conflicting with her current state. So maybe start low on IH and A1 both comfort and bonding products, and each time you see her add just a bit more so it gives her the idea that these feelings grew on her, slowly. Along with the A314, IH can cause a fallout effect of sorts. ---
**Author:** ![Marihino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marihino/32/1286_2.png) [@Marihino](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marihino)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2011, 5:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/3 "2011-06-04T17:41:19Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > Along with the A314, IH can cause a **fallout effect** of sorts. OK, I’ll go offtopic a little. Can you explain _“fallout effect”_ for me please? This term has been used a lot on this forum and I’m not sure what do you mean by that. English is not my primary language, mind you. Dictionaries don’t seem to help with this word, all I get is some nuclear-related BS 😉 ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2011, 5:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/4 "2011-06-04T17:47:15Z")
> [@Marihino](#): > > OK, I’ll go offtopic a little. Can you explain _“fallout effect”_ for me please? This term has been used a lot on this forum and I’m not sure what do you mean by that. English is not my primary language, mind you. Dictionaries don’t seem to help with this word, all I get is some nuclear-related BS 😉 LOL sorry. But yeah fallout would mean like the after effects of something going on…like in a nuclear explosion you’d have high amounts of radioactivity lingering around for a long time still causing reactions. So with A314, the “fallout” effect would be the lingering feelings that would remain after the fact…this could be good or bad. It can cause almost stalker type behavior because you’ve been permanently linked with the feelings and emotions that were evoked during the time you spent with her. ---
**Author:** ![Marihino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marihino/32/1286_2.png) [@Marihino](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marihino)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/5 "2011-06-04T17:59:30Z")
Thank you 🙂 And nothing to be sorry about, it’s me who doesn’t know the language as well as I wish I did. So you said that you’ve used a similar mix to mend a broken relationship. So by _“lingering feelings”_ do you mean feelings that remain when you’re not around, after exposure to the mix? Or feelings about the _un-pheromoned_ past, that appear when exposed to the mix? I’ve used A314 with IH, I’ve also used A314+IH+AE+A1 and both versions above would make sense to me when I think about it now. Like, girls that I have some casual flirtatious/romantic history with, suddenly start to think about that history much more seriously when exposed to any of those mixes. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/6 "2011-06-04T19:10:37Z")
> [@Marihino](#): > > Thank you 🙂 > > And nothing to be sorry about, it’s me who doesn’t know the language as well as I wish I did. > > So you said that you’ve used a similar mix to mend a broken relationship. > > So by _“lingering feelings”_ do **you mean feelings that remain when you’re not around, after exposure to the mix?** > Or feelings about the _un-pheromoned_ past, that appear when exposed to the mix? > I’ve used A314 with IH, I’ve also used A314+IH+AE+A1 and both versions above would make sense to me when I think about it now. Like, girls that I have some casual flirtatious/romantic history with, suddenly start to think about that history much more seriously when exposed to any of those mixes. Exactly. Women love to ruminate on things, and that includes guys who trigger and evoke certain feelings and emotions. They go into that fantasizing mode, wondering what he may be like in bed, how would he be as a boyfriend etc. So if you can get them to feel a lot of positive emotions and feelings around you, they then link that to you so when you come up in their mind they experience it all over again…and A314 / IH help make that happen even more profoundly. ---
**Author:** ![amstelbreur](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/amstelbreur/32/2111_2.png) [@amstelbreur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/amstelbreur)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/7 "2011-06-04T19:21:54Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > She just came out of a relationship so she’s probably a bit leery right now of getting into anything serious. > I would keep in something like ammo for the attraction qualities, but tone it down, amp up the more mature/alpha type products like IG or A314, then toss in some IH and IS…I would even go so far as to get some A1. I used a very similar mix to mend a pretty broken relationship last year. > > My mix was something along the lines of: > 1-2 drops A314 + 1 spray of Ammo + 2-4 sprays IS + 1-2 sprays of IH 4x + 25mcg of A1. > > If you feel any kind of pull back from this mix, tone down IH and A1 until she feels a bit more comfortable around you. I found that coming in with the IH so strong (had 2 sprays of 4x on) caused my girl to pull away. The conclusion I came up with was that she just wasn’t ready to make nice with me yet, and the desire to do so was conflicting with her current state. > > So maybe start low on IH and A1 both comfort and bonding products, and each time you see her add just a bit more so it gives her the idea that these feelings grew on her, slowly. > > Along with the A314, IH can cause a fallout effect of sorts. A1 has worked miracles for my LTR. I combine it with 20-30mcg [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) turning me into a teddy bear or security blanket. Throw in some A314 or IG and you’re set. If you go with the A1 check out the guide here: > [@Androstadienone Guide](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668): > > I’ve been thinking about doing this for the longest time but recent events have finally pushed me to do this. In an effort to cut down on the repeated questions, but at the same time encourage more result oriented posts I am making this A-1 guide. Please remember I am NOT a scientist, but merely a tester who is reporting what he’s seen and also info gathered from other fellow members. Table of Contents Section 1: What is A-1? Section 2: What are the effects of A-1? Section 3: When is the bes… If you experience depressive effects from A-1 add a buffer like IS or TAA. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/8 "2011-06-04T19:45:55Z")
without having read what everyone else has said and going only by your initial post I’ll chime in my opinion. Stickiness from 297 is pretty normal from my experiences with it. I described it in my reports as an “MINE!!!” effect. Meaning the girl seems to almost possessively latch onto you. The combo you used seems pretty good. Ammo is a general all around attractive guy vibe, 297 seems to have a sort of boyfriending kind of quality, and Shine just creates a pleasant vibe that makes people enjoy being around you. Based off your report, it seems to already be working and I don’t know of much reason to change it too much. Even with a great mix some things may take time, especially if she’s leery of relationships due to a past experience. I would suggest sticking it out with this mix as a base. For the next one or two meetings add a single spray of IO, and then after that switch to IH. This starts off fun and light as things should be and quickly escalates the sense of connection and bonding. After the IH swap out one of your ammo sprays with a single spray of TuTH…no more. That should be enough to escalate the sexual energy without creating an uncomfortable vibe. Between the Ammo attractive guy vibe, with the boyfriend material vibe of 297, then pleasant aura of Shine and a little IH connection…a dash of TuTH sexual tension would not only be safe…but almost expected. ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boudicca/32/5171_2.png) [@Boudicca](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Boudicca)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/9 "2011-06-04T20:27:27Z")
I’m going to put my $0.02 worth in here as a mature woman who’s had a few bf’s in her time and had to bust up with 'em to find the right guy. Give the lady time. If she just broke up a LTR, there is a kind of grieving process that we have to go thru. I dunno how guys deal with it, though I know they have it too. But she needs to get that out of her system before she can really properly bond with anybody else. Keep doing what you’re doing and be patient. There’s time enough in the world to escalate once she’s pieced her heart back together. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 10:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/10 "2011-06-05T10:42:40Z")
Do you guys think I can temporarily substitute p74 or p78 for A1 I’m keeping my base as mx297 since she’s responding well to that. I haven’t tried A314 around her and I’m not sure if changing my signature all of a sudden around her might cause some confusion. For now I’m going with mx297 and then maybe some shine and ammo. I tried TUTH last night in place of ammo with mx297 and she seemed a little distant, like a little repellant from me. I then layered IHx4 and ISx2 after 2 hours and then she seemed closer, easier to kino, I’d also probably have to thank the alcohol for that ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 12:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/11 "2011-06-05T12:01:18Z")
> [@Johnny\_Gslinger](#): > > Do you guys think I can temporarily substitute p74 or p78 for A1 > > I’m keeping my base as mx297 since she’s responding well to that. I haven’t tried A314 around her and I’m not sure if changing my signature all of a sudden around her might cause some confusion. > > For now I’m going with mx297 and then maybe some shine and ammo. I tried TUTH last night in place of ammo with mx297 and she seemed a little distant, like a little repellant from me. I then layered IHx4 and ISx2 after 2 hours and then she seemed closer, easier to kino, I’d also probably have to thank the alcohol for that People are probably going to yell at me for this. But for escalating, nothing can beat A314 hands down, especially since you’re in your mid 20’s and so is she. I would go with A314 AMMO IS/IH route. If you wanna get really creative, you can try A314 + [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) + IS/IH + TUTH ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/12 "2011-06-05T13:47:53Z")
Thanks for the advice guys, it seems I have to play this carefully as her ex might be getting back into the game. She’s not over him, but she says he’s bad for her, though her brain knows it, but heart doesnt. He ended the relationship but from what her friends say he’s not sure now, a little hesitant and undecided, and from what I know they’ll be meeting quite often as they’re in another pretty tight circle of friends that usually meet up and travel. I’m meeting her tomorrow for lunch one to one and then after work, dinner + bowling with friends. I’m thinking of going For Lunch [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) (30-50mcgs on sides of kneck) + TUTHx1 (1 spray on chest) + A314 oil (1 drop beneath nose and spread to chin) + ISx4 (1 spray front of neck) + IHx4 (1 spray back of neck) For Dinner and Bowling mx297 (3 sprays, sides of neck and chest) + Ammox1 (1 spray to the tummy) + TUTHx1 (1 spray on the chest) , ISx4 (1 spray to front of the neck), IHx4 (1 spray to the back of the neck) Has anyone tried P83 with mx297? ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/13 "2011-06-05T21:52:14Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > People are probably going to yell at me for this. But for escalating, nothing can beat A314 hands down, especially since you’re in your mid 20’s and so is she. > > I would go with **A314 AMMO IS/IH** route. > > If you wanna get really creative, you can try A314 + P74 + IS/IH + TUTH Great minds think alike…exact same combo I suggested above…but also added you could throw in some A1 there. That was the EX mix I used last summer…and I was amazed at how well it worked. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 7:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/14 "2011-06-12T07:20:43Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > without having read what everyone else has said and going only by your initial post I’ll chime in my opinion. > > Stickiness from 297 is pretty normal from my experiences with it. I described it in my reports as an “MINE!!!” effect. Meaning the girl seems to almost possessively latch onto you. > > The combo you used seems pretty good. Ammo is a general all around attractive guy vibe, 297 seems to have a sort of boyfriending kind of quality, and Shine just creates a pleasant vibe that makes people enjoy being around you. Based off your report, it seems to already be working and I don’t know of much reason to change it too much. Even with a great mix some things may take time, especially if she’s leery of relationships due to a past experience. > > I would suggest sticking it out with this mix as a base. For the next one or two meetings add a single spray of IO, and then after that switch to IH. This starts off fun and light as things should be and quickly escalates the sense of connection and bonding. **After the IH swap out one of your ammo sprays with a single spray of TuTH…no more. That should be enough to escalate the sexual energy without creating an uncomfortable vibe.** Between the Ammo attractive guy vibe, with the boyfriend material vibe of 297, then pleasant aura of Shine and a little IH connection…a dash of TuTH sexual tension would not only be safe…but almost expected. I’ve had ghosting with tuth ever since I started working out. Now I’m afraid to even try it. My target friend is only in her mid twenties. Ammo IS and mx297 work around her but then again that was before the bodybuilding. Ever since the bodybuilding I found I couldn’t handle tuth. is this normal? I am 41. Why is this happening I couldn’t be producing that much none, is it because I appear tense after weights, or because the heat from increased metabolism and hot humid summer days (25 degrees celcius) make tuth reek? I am east indian decent and got ghosting out of tuth. had I worn that to coffee with her it may of well killed the whole interaction. Is tuth best left out for me? dsouza ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/15 "2011-06-12T19:06:35Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I’ve had ghosting with tuth ever since I started working out. Now I’m afraid to even try it. My target friend is only in her mid twenties. Ammo IS and mx297 work around her but then again that was before the bodybuilding. > > Ever since the bodybuilding I found I couldn’t handle tuth. is this normal? I am 41. Why is this happening I couldn’t be producing that much none, is it because I appear tense after weights, or because the heat from increased metabolism and hot humid summer days (25 degrees celcius) make tuth reek? > > I am east indian decent and got ghosting out of tuth. had I worn that to coffee with her it may of well killed the whole interaction. > > Is tuth best left out for me? > > dsouza Possible, were you wearing anything else with TuTH? While it tends to be safer for older men to use it fitness levels can effect None production to where a very fit 40 year old might produce more None than a sedentary 25 year old. Likewise a high body temperature coupled with a humid environment could speed up bacterial conversion (bacteria feed on none and convert it to pure stink). An antibacterial soap or body wash might help there. But also buffering cannot be overlooked. TuTH alone might be bad, TuTH plus some other products that are Rone or Nol based might be accepted more positively. ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boudicca/32/5171_2.png) [@Boudicca](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Boudicca)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-advice-mones-game/50600/16 "2011-06-12T19:15:10Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I’ve had ghosting with tuth ever since I started working out. Now I’m afraid to even try it. My target friend is only in her mid twenties. Ammo IS and mx297 work around her but then again that was before the bodybuilding. > > Ever since the bodybuilding I found I couldn’t handle tuth. is this normal? I am 41. Why is this happening I couldn’t be producing that much none, is it because I appear tense after weights, or because the heat from increased metabolism and hot humid summer days (25 degrees celcius) make tuth reek? > > I am east indian decent and got ghosting out of tuth. had I worn that to coffee with her it may of well killed the whole interaction. > > Is tuth best left out for me? > > dsouza Remember, dsouza, that bodybuilding causes the body to produce more testosterone. This in turn is going to cause the body to produce more of the mones associated with testosterone. I think one of these is -none; the other men here could probably verify or correct me if I’m wrong. The combination of natural increase and TUTH (and any other similar products) may very well be causing an OD effect. Tone down the -none products, maintain your bodybuilding, and let’s see what happens.