# Need help escaping "THE FRIEND ZONE" **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 12, 2008, 12:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488 "2008-05-12T00:13:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![midnightrun4fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@midnightrun4fun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/midnightrun4fun)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 12:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/1 "2008-05-12T00:13:21Z")
So I need you all’s help. I’m a 24 year old guy, pretty good looking but about 40 lbs overweight. Here’s my problem, I’m totally in love with this girl I work with and she and I are really close friends… But everytime I ask her out she tells me she cares about me but she’s just not attracted to me… Now here’s where I might blow all your minds — I don’t want to get her into bed with this — Call me old fashioned but I believe in waiting for marriage 🆒 So what do you guys suggest? I’m really just trying to kick up that primal physical attraction with her because I know if she could see me as more than a friend we would make an amazing couple… Thanks for the help guys! ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 12:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/2 "2008-05-12T00:48:19Z")
Hello midnightrun 🙂 Like I suggested in your introduction thread, ammo is quite useful for this. But it might be a little harder to get her, since she has known you as a good friend for a long time already. [Pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) are much better to use with strangers that don’t have an image of you already. But good luck on your quest! ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 12:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/3 "2008-05-12T00:51:52Z")
Smite her with teh a314 + IShine + ammo. And also play the take-away if you want. ---
**Author:** ![GuySajer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/guysajer/32/446_2.png) [@GuySajer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GuySajer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/4 "2008-05-12T01:33:36Z")
Cut your losses and move on. Keep her as a friend, and pursue other girls. It’s very hard to change a girls mind when it comes to these things. Attraction’s not a choice. Now I’m new to [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) also and I’m not sure if they’d give you an edge here or not, but from my understanding they only enhance what’s already there. A mistake that a lot of people make is becoming wrapped up in one girl and putting all their eggs into that basket. Realize that there are plenty of other great girls out there too, and some of them will be attracted to you. Anyones chance of escaping the ‘friend-zone’ is slim-to-none, so save yourself the grief and don’t invest any more hope in this girl as anything other than a friend. What you should do is pursue other girls. If she sees that you’re desired by these other girls then and only then, she might change her opinion of you, but this is only a slight chance as well. That right there is your most likely means of escaping the friend-zone. ---
**Author:** ![akamahyar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/97f17d/32.png) [@akamahyar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/akamahyar)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/5 "2008-05-12T01:34:20Z")
midnight if you are 40 pounds overweight. And she said she is not attracted to your looks then lose the 40 pounds and thats the answer to your problem. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 1:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/6 "2008-05-12T01:37:34Z")
> [@akamahyar](#): > > midnight if you are 40 pounds overweight. And she said she is not attracted to your looks then lose the 40 pounds and thats the answer to your problem. WRONG… ---
**Author:** ![akamahyar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/97f17d/32.png) [@akamahyar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/akamahyar)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 1:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/7 "2008-05-12T01:40:32Z")
eldros I beg your pardon? ---
**Author:** ![Eslite119](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eslite119/32/176_2.png) [@Eslite119](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eslite119)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 2:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/8 "2008-05-12T02:22:27Z")
> [@GuySajer](#): > > Cut your losses and move on. Keep her as a friend, and pursue other girls. > > It’s very hard to change a girls mind when it comes to these things. Attraction’s not a choice. Now I’m new to pheromones also and I’m not sure if they’d give you an edge here or not, but from my understanding they only enhance what’s already there. > > A mistake that a lot of people make is becoming wrapped up in one girl and putting all their eggs into that basket. Realize that there are plenty of other great girls out there too, and some of them will be attracted to you. Anyones chance of escaping the ‘friend-zone’ is slim-to-none, so save yourself the grief and don’t invest any more hope in this girl as anything other than a friend. > > What you should do is pursue other girls. If she sees that you’re desired by these other girls then and only then, she might change her opinion of you, but this is only a slight chance as well. That right there is your most likely means of escaping the friend-zone. It’s harsh, but I agree with what Guy said. Showing less interest in her (I hope that you don’t appear too needy in front of her) and making her realize that she’s not the only girl in your life may spark some interest in her. I was in a similar situation, and I wouldn’t recommend pursuing this girl. Especially when you mentioned that she is also your co-worker and she expressed that she’s not attracted to you in “that” way. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 2:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/9 "2008-05-12T02:31:56Z")
> [@akamahyar](#): > > eldros I beg your pardon? She never said anything about his looks, and women don’t care much about appearance. Have you seen how big steveo is? (no offense steveo, you’re more awesomer than me). He’s getting more ladies than you are. Losing the 40lbs won’t solve anything besides giving him a false sense of confidence. If he does lose it, and still see’s no results, then he’ll feel downer. > [@midnightrun4fun](#): > > So I need you all’s help. I’m a 24 year old guy, pretty good looking but about 40 lbs overweight. Here’s my problem, I’m totally in love with this girl I work with and **she and I are really close friends.**.. But everytime I ask her out **she tells me she cares about me but she’s just not attracted to me** … Now here’s where I might blow all your minds — **I don’t want to get her into bed with this** — Call me old fashioned but I believe in waiting for marriage 🆒 Ask her if she really needs to be attracted to you for her to go out and have a good night/whatever together. Don’t take no for an answer. Go out in a group if you need to, and show her how much fun you can be. Start out small. Be unpredictable (but don’t overdo it). ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 2:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/10 "2008-05-12T02:36:18Z")
> [@midnightrun4fun](#): > > So I need you all’s help. I’m a 24 year old guy, pretty good looking but about 40 lbs overweight. Here’s my problem, I’m totally in love with this girl I work with and **she and I are really close friends.**.. But everytime I ask her out **she tells me she cares about me but she’s just not attracted to me** … Now here’s where I might blow all your minds — **I don’t want to get her into bed with this** — Call me old fashioned but I believe in waiting for marriage 🆒 Ask her if she really needs to be attracted to you for her to go out and have a good night/whatever together. ---
**Author:** ![TheCoolCat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thecoolcat/32/719_2.png) [@TheCoolCat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCoolCat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 2:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/11 "2008-05-12T02:56:03Z")
Looks do matter to a certain point. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 3:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/12 "2008-05-12T03:01:58Z")
Eldros and Guy have given you great advice, and I’m just gonna step in and say I concur with what both said! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![1904iNcUbUs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1904incubus/32/1694_2.png) [@1904iNcUbUs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1904iNcUbUs)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 3:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/13 "2008-05-12T03:03:44Z")
eldros you are correct. i lost 80 pounds in three months and all it did was turn me into a cocky asshole. the cocaine addiction might have had something to do with it, but you never know. my advice is go out and meet some fresh little hunniez, and show em that only real men know how to make a few extra pounds look dead sexy ---
**Author:** ![midnightrun4fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@midnightrun4fun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/midnightrun4fun)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 3:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/14 "2008-05-12T03:06:25Z")
Yeah about the weight loss comment, when I first met her I was over 100 pounds over weight and in the past year I’ve dropped over 60 lbs… So I plan on losing that 40 lbs I got left but it’s like eating a whale… You gotta eat it one bite at a time… Then to add about being needy… I did make this mistake in the beginning but I’ve definently moved past that now. Infact the other day she asked me if I was mad at her and that I seemed distant… I leave much more space now… I’ve dated lots of girls since I met her (even with that 40 extra pounds for me picking up girls isn’t a real struggle) and I’ve tried numerous times to just “give up” but whenever I get close to someone I start compairing and none of those girls add-up… Call me weird but I’m a romantic - I’m more looking for a connection then a lay… LOL maybe I’m on the wrong Forum 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 3:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/15 "2008-05-12T03:14:24Z")
> [@midnightrun4fun](#): > > So I plan on losing that 40 lbs I got left but it’s like eating a whale… You gotta eat it one bite at a time… Mmmmmm, blubber nuggets! > [@midnightrun4fun](#): > > Then to add about being needy… I did make this mistake in the beginning but I’ve definently moved past that now. Infact the other day she asked me if I was mad at her and that I seemed distant… I leave much more space now… I’ve dated lots of girls since I met her (even with that 40 extra pounds for me picking up girls isn’t a real struggle) and I’ve tried numerous times to just “give up” but whenever I get close to someone I start compairing and none of those girls add-up… I know how you feel. You shouldn’t remove contact, you should make it count more. > [@midnightrun4fun](#): > > Call me weird but I’m a romantic - I’m more looking for a connection then a lay… LOL maybe I’m on the wrong Forum 😃 Naw man, we just aren’t as moral as you 😛. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 3:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/16 "2008-05-12T03:19:12Z")
> [@midnightrun4fun](#): > > Call me weird but I’m a romantic - I’m more looking for a connection then a lay… LOL maybe I’m on the wrong Forum 😃 Hey, congratulations on losing the weight. I’ve got a feeling that the girls you’re dating aren’t adding up because you’re not allowing them to. Instead of looking at all the great things about this girl that you’re hung up on and comparing other girls to, start looking for the bad qualities and comparing from that stand point. You’re not in the wrong forum. There are plenty of us here who are interested in more than just getting laid, and treat women as equals rather than just sex objects. My advice is to realize that a couple of the posts/threads here are nothing more than unfulfilled fantasies from guys that have no hope of ever even getting laid, much less having a meaningful relationship, and to take those posts for just that. ---
**Author:** ![TheCoolCat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thecoolcat/32/719_2.png) [@TheCoolCat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCoolCat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 3:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/17 "2008-05-12T03:20:35Z")
No man, we totally feel you. There’s periods in a man’s life where all he wants is to make love to a woman, not to fuck her, and to get the same in return. I’ve been there a couple times before. But it’s gonna be hard for you since she already has an opinion about you and views you as a friend only, pheromones, from my understanding, enhance feelings within the person affected by it, but if there’s no arousal or romantic feelings to enhance, then maybe they won’t help you much with your problem. The best advice is, if you really, absolutely, truly want her as your girlfriend, then you have to start all over with her, cut all communications with her for a long time, learn more experience in dating, and then after, meet her and this time don’t be needy, girls go for guys that tend to treat them like their brothers, meaning they mostly go for guys that are sweet assholes, someone who makes them laugh at themselves, teases them, tickles them, gives them a great time, makes them feel secure and are confident of themselves. Plus you’ll look a whole lot different since you say you’re gonna lose some weight, so she’ll have a new view of you both physically and mentally. I know it’s a lot harder said than done, but that’s just my humble advice. ---
**Author:** ![midnightrun4fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@midnightrun4fun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/midnightrun4fun)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 3:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/18 "2008-05-12T03:28:47Z")
Thats for the advice guys… I still find it funny though that on a pheromones forum I’m getting all kinds of social advice and nothing about what combos wear, products to buy, or locations to apply… LOL ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 3:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/19 "2008-05-12T03:29:32Z")
> [@midnightrun4fun](#): > > Thats for the advice guys… I still find it funny though that on a pheromones forum I’m getting all kinds of social advice and nothing about what combos wear, products to buy, or locations to apply… LOL It’s 100% you 50% pheros bro. Thats right, make yourself 150% awesome. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 3:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/20 "2008-05-12T03:37:15Z")
> [@midnightrun4fun](#): > > I still find it funny though that on a pheromones forum I’m getting all kinds of social advice and nothing about what combos wear, products to buy, or locations to apply… LOL I guess that tells you a lot about Androtics and the members of this forum huh? 🙂 😉 We care about you, not about just getting you to buy products! 😃 [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488.md?page=2)