# Need help escaping "THE FRIEND ZONE" **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 12, 2008, 12:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488 "2008-05-12T00:13:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![akamahyar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/97f17d/32.png) [@akamahyar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/akamahyar)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 3:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/21 "2008-05-12T03:39:39Z")
mark who are the two girls in the pic? ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 3:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/22 "2008-05-12T03:47:53Z")
> [@akamahyar](#): > > mark who are the two girls in the pic? 2 of the sisters I met last night at Red River. Full posting of the mix and results is in my The Makings Of A Rock Star thread ---
**Author:** ![GuySajer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/guysajer/32/446_2.png) [@GuySajer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GuySajer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/23 "2008-05-12T03:48:54Z")
Well I’m still very new at this, so I can only say that the other night I had good results with probably about 1.5 sprays of Ammunition, on my neck, and about 5 sprays of Instant Shine in verious places. I still have to do a lot more testing though. I got a sample of Turn Up The Heat for free (God bless the folks at Androtics), which I’m sure will come in handy some time soon. I have Instant Openness X2 coming in the mail, which I have good feelings about. Since we’re both similar ages, I’d say that amount of Ammo with one of the [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) might work well with you too. You don’t have to look at women as just sex objects, I don’t, but they have to see you in some sort of a sexual way to avoid the friendzone. So even though I’m not really qualified to give advice yet, from what I’ve read and from what I’ve experienced, Ammunition is a very good starting point. Ammunition and a social pheromone. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 5:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/24 "2008-05-12T05:27:10Z")
In a relationship, sometimes it’s good to be in the “neutral zone” (friend zone). Why? Because as long as you’re in this neutral zone, you can work on creating the ‘sexual tension’ you need to turn the “I don’t feel anything” into “something”. When you’re in this zone, everything you do will have an impact on the feelings the girl might have towards you. She’ll either like you more or like you less with every move you make. If you keep on doing things that **kill her interest** , then you’re just going to be “good friends” with her forever! But if you do things that **spark romantic feelings,** sooner or later she’s going to be attracted to you.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 11:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/25 "2008-05-12T11:48:14Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > You’re not in the wrong forum. There are plenty of us here who are interested in more than just getting laid, and treat women as equals rather than just sex objects. Huh!!! WHAT!? 😮 😮 WHO??? Oh…erm…yea me too :o 😛 ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 12:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/26 "2008-05-13T12:22:02Z")
What you could try to do… but don’t quote me on this… is be a little mysterious… disappear out of the girls life for some time and reappear. You could do weight loss during this time or whatever but change yourself somehow - in terms of appearance. People see you first then get to know you. When you reappear… use pheromones. She could become attracted to you then. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 1:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/27 "2008-05-13T13:04:04Z")
> [@midnightrun4fun](#): > > … > So what do you guys suggest? I’m really just trying to kick up that primal physical attraction with her because I know if she could see me as more than a friend we would make an amazing couple… Thanks for the help guys! Try wearing a single spray of ammo, and hanging out as usual with no expectations. See how she reacts. Don’t be pushy. If you do, let us know how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 1:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/28 "2008-05-14T01:24:41Z")
> [@smn1234](#): > > … is be a little mysterious… disappear out of the girls life for some time and reappear. This ‘method’ usually works.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![NormaJeanMarilyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/normajeanmarilyn/32/586_2.png) [@NormaJeanMarilyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NormaJeanMarilyn)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 11:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/29 "2008-05-15T23:55:17Z")
From a female point of view: She can’t be swayed by weight loss or pheromones. She’s not attracted to you, pure and simple. If she was, she’d overlook the weight. It’s possible that you have lower self esteem because you know you should lose the 40 pounds and losing it could very well change the way you act…THEN she might see you differently. MIGHT. Women tend to overlook many physical things if they are feeling a guy. We also tend to like guys who like us. It’s normal to react to someone you are used to being all over you to suddenly NOT be all over you. She’s made it clear she doesn’t like you in that way. You sound like a great guy, find someone who IS attracted to you…until she wakes up and realizes how great you are. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 12:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/30 "2008-05-16T00:58:49Z")
> [@NormaJeanMarilyn](#): > > From a female point of view: She can’t be swayed by weight loss or pheromones. She’s not attracted to you, pure and simple. If she was, she’d overlook the weight. It’s possible that you have lower self esteem because you know you should lose the 40 pounds and losing it could very well change the way you act…THEN she might see you differently. MIGHT. > > Women tend to overlook many physical things if they are feeling a guy. We also tend to like guys who like us. It’s normal to react to someone you are used to being all over you to suddenly NOT be all over you. She’s made it clear she doesn’t like you in that way. You sound like a great guy, find someone who IS attracted to you…until she wakes up and realizes how great you are. Excellent point of views! (rep points for you!🙂 ) ---
**Author:** ![midnightrun4fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@midnightrun4fun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/midnightrun4fun)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 11:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/31 "2008-05-16T11:58:35Z")
So what other stuff would you all suggest I do to help build my confidence? I think I spent so much of my life being the “fat funny guy” before I lost all that weight, that I never got that cool confident thing down… LOL ---
**Author:** ![noyb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecccb3/32.png) [@noyb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noyb)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 2:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/32 "2008-05-16T14:58:20Z")
You will need more than pheros to help you escape the F. Z. It is how you interact with her that creates attraction in a woman. ---
**Author:** ![NormaJeanMarilyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/normajeanmarilyn/32/586_2.png) [@NormaJeanMarilyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NormaJeanMarilyn)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/33 "2008-05-16T17:50:58Z")
You need to lose the weight because it’s obviously bothering YOU. You’ve lost a lot, but keep bringing up this last 40. Change your work out regimen or way you eat to jump start the loss of the rest. Your attitude about the last 40 creates a feeling of self-consciousness that anyone around you can see and feel. It could possibly change your own natural [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) signature. It’s obvious you’re a great guy, but do you present yourself like you’re 40 pounds overweight? Get a new haircut, one that fits your features. Get a manicure (just cut and buff), go shopping, buy some new cologne (Very Sexy for Him by Victoria’s Secret is AMAZING). Women like men who take care of themselves…to a point. My ex was a bodybuilder and we would constantly miss the beginning of movies because he was in the mirror naked, posing…I digress. It shows care, that you take time for the little things. If you can afford it, get some new stuff for your place. Make it a bachelor pad, not a man pad. Doesn’t mean Laura Ashley and pink everywhere. Make it a place that a woman can tell who you are when she walks in. Somewhere she won’t mind being for a while, watching a movie or having dinner (eventually waking up in the morning). Nice clean couch, PRISTINE bathroom (a nasty bathroom is a mood killer), clean floors. HTH! ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 6:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/34 "2008-05-16T18:46:28Z")
> [@NormaJeanMarilyn](#): > > Nice clean couch, PRISTINE bathroom (a nasty bathroom is a mood killer), clean floors. HTH! This gets overlooked waaay too often..what’s HTH though? ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/35 "2008-05-16T18:56:17Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > ..what’s HTH though? **H** ope\*\* T\*\*hat **H** elps 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 8:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/36 "2008-05-16T20:15:32Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > **H** ope\*\* T\*\*hat **H** elps 😃 Thanks, it did help. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 9:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/37 "2008-05-16T21:33:58Z")
I don’t have alot of luck in dating (but then I haven’t tried much), but I do know that women aren’t attracted to “neediness”. It repels them- they seem to be attracted more to people that can stand on their own, people that could live like hermits if they had to, and still be happy- without them. If somebody says “no”, just keep it at being friends and don’t act like you are missing something. People can always change their mind, too. If you weren’t worried about keeping the friendship, I’d say try a “backhanded compliment”- an insult or rejection disguised as a complement (“nice dress… it really helps your figure”- is a very subtle backhanded compliment that may or may not be detected. “nice shoes… I bet you bought them at Payless, though” probably would be much more negative). That let’s people know that you don’t need them, but it can backfire if it’s too negative and might damage your friendship. So it’s probably not a good idea, but just is an example of how you shouldn’t go seeking peoples approval… make them earn yours. I don’t think weight is the real issue- lots of overweight men in particular are considered attractive (just look at Bill Clinton). Maybe your attitude about your weight is an issue. Try a little body building with some dumbells (10-20 lbs. is a good place to start), situps, and pushups. You’ll feel better about yourself at the least- and don’t focus on the scales. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 10:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/38 "2008-05-16T22:38:32Z")
> [@Daedelus76](#): > > I don’t have alot of luck in dating (but then I haven’t tried much), but I do know that women aren’t attracted to “neediness”. It repels them- they seem to be attracted more to people that can stand on their own, people that could live like hermits if they had to, and still be happy- without them. > > If somebody says “no”, just keep it at being friends and don’t act like you are missing something. People can always change their mind, too. If you weren’t worried about keeping the friendship, I’d say try a “backhanded compliment”- an insult or rejection disguised as a complement (“nice dress… it really helps your figure”- is a very subtle backhanded compliment that may or may not be detected. “nice shoes… I bet you bought them at Payless, though” probably would be much more negative). That let’s people know that you don’t need them, but it can backfire if it’s too negative and might damage your friendship. So it’s probably not a good idea, but just is an example of how you shouldn’t go seeking peoples approval… make them earn yours. > > I don’t think weight is the real issue- lots of overweight men in particular are considered attractive (just look at Bill Clinton). Maybe your attitude about your weight is an issue. Try a little body building with some dumbells (10-20 lbs. is a good place to start), situps, and pushups. You’ll feel better about yourself at the least- and don’t focus on the scales. Ladies, correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think that the action of going on a date matters much. What do you go on a date for? Maybe to get to know each other better, have fun, and prolly to get laid. You can accomplish all that (maybe even better) without going on a ‘date’. I’m not saying that the ‘date’ is the great satan, I’m just say that just because you don’t have luck at dating, that it shouldn’t be a ball buster. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 11:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/39 "2008-05-16T23:07:50Z")
> [@Eldros](#): > > You can accomplish all that (maybe even better) without going on a ‘date’. I’m not saying that the ‘date’ is the great satan, I’m just say that just because you don’t have luck at dating, that it shouldn’t be a ball buster. That’s true, but some people, even some men, are still a bit old-fashioned and don’t just want to pick up random women just for sex. I’m pretty liberal and tolerant now days, but even I have to admit, the idea of just having sex for the fun of it.., strikes me as “wrong”, at least personally. Not to cast judgement on anyone, but I’m not comfortable making that leap yet. I think it has to do with how you were raised and you can’t really unlearn than stuff overnight. The sad thing is that formula worked great when you had small towns and your parents or sister basicly picked out a wife for you (how my mom met my dad- he never went on dates as a teenager, believe it or not. He needed somebody for a dance in highschool, my aunt found him one) but it sucks in the modern age where you really have to go out looking for women- that mentality can trap you if you aren’t used to anything different. I know that sounds totally cornball cheezy that my parents have been married for 40 years and not divorced, but it’s true. I guess what has held them together is they have similar values and they aren’t self-centered people at all. Plus, I guess, if they divorced they’d just have less money and be unhappy. My parents never got bit by the divorce bug, even though alot of the rest of the family did. Usually they divorced over money issues- one person would spend alot of money, the other would want to save, etc. My parents were both raised with thrift and never got much as a kid, so they didn’t have a problem compromising on money, whereas my uncle married a real gold digger that didn’t like being married to a welder and having to shop at discount stores and not being able to blow money on credit cards forever. My aunt that married off my dad? She married a catholic man, no kids, they’ve been married forever too. ---
**Author:** ![midnightrun4fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@midnightrun4fun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/midnightrun4fun)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2008, 1:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488/40 "2008-05-17T01:12:22Z")
> [@NormaJeanMarilyn](#): > > It’s obvious you’re a great guy, but do you present yourself like you’re 40 pounds overweight? Get a new haircut, one that fits your features. Get a manicure (just cut and buff), go shopping, buy some new cologne (Very Sexy for Him by Victoria’s Secret is AMAZING). Women like men who take care of themselves…to a point. OMG! Have you been following me? I just got a new haircut, threw out all my old clothes and bought a BRAND new wardrobe, and I WEAR VERY SEXY FOR HIM!!! Holy Crap you are GOOD! [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488.md?page=3)