# Need help making ICM mix **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 21, 2009, 2:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740 "2009-08-21T02:39:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 2:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/1 "2009-08-21T02:39:43Z")
I’m not sure if my calculations are correct. I used the Mix Calculator 5.0 that was posted by a user from this forum (Thanks!). Steve’s original mix was: TAA 4 mcg B -nol 5 mcg P93 3 mcg P74 5 mcg -none 5 mcg TAC 5 mcg To mix these into a 5ml To-Go bottle (actually, the accurate calculations got me 4.5 ml, but I’ll settle for accuracy for that) TAA .6ml B -nol .75ml P93 .90ml P74 .75ml -none .75ml TAC .75ml Now here’s my question. Steve originally used about 4 sprays. With MX301 (which is ICM 0.25.1a) my “sweet spot” is 2 sprays. Now, since this mix contains 6 [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/), obviously the mcg/spray of each pheromone decreases. Would the MX301 be adjusted to account for this (by increasing the mcg/spray of the 6 pheromones by a factor of 6?) I ask because I want to know if I should continue using 2 sprays like I do with MX301 or multiply it by 6 and use 12 sprays? I’m guessing I could test it out of course haha, but I’d like to know my math is correct before testing 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BLADE](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blade/32/2083_2.png) [@BLADE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BLADE)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 2:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/2 "2009-08-21T02:52:14Z")
The calculator will have based the ml’s of each product on you getting the mcg per spray that you designated - say 5mcg per spray of None, for example. Therefore, if you use 2 sprays of MX301 then you should be able to just use 2 sprays of your mix. Steve just finds 6 is his sweet spot rather than 2… ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/3 "2009-08-21T02:57:02Z")
Yeah, I understand that, but then you have to also realize that by mixing 6 pheromones in one bottle, you are getting 6 different pheromones per spray, right? The calculator is great for getting what I have into the desired mcg/spray, but it also notes to me that I need 7.33 sprays to achieve the desired dosage. So basically, I wanted to know if the MX301 was adjusted for that or is it like mine where you also would need 7.33 sprays of MX301 to get for example 4 mcg of TAA? Do you get what I mean? ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 3:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/4 "2009-08-21T03:04:36Z")
> [@KnowledgeIsPower](#): > > Yeah, I understand that, but then you have to also realize that by mixing 6 pheromones in one bottle, you are getting 6 different pheromones per spray, right? The calculator is great for getting what I have into the desired mcg/spray, but it also notes to me that I need 7.33 sprays to achieve the desired dosage. > > So basically, I wanted to know if the MX301 was adjusted for that or is it like mine where you also would need 7.33 sprays of MX301 to get for example 4 mcg of TAA? Do you get what I mean? It will depend on the strength of your raw ingredients. For example if you have TAA at 12.5 mcg it will take more of it to equal 4 mcg in the finished composite. If you have TAA at 37.5 it will take less of it because it is more concentrated so you will need less sprays when you get it all mixed in the bottle. I found that with my first version of …1a. I needed 6 sprays because I bought everything at 12.5 mcg strength. I’m getting ready to make another batch of it but I’m getting everything at 62.5 so I don’t need as many sprays to get the desired results. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/5 "2009-08-21T03:12:54Z")
Man, all this sounds expensive. I’d rather just buy Steve’s test pack or MX301 and MX302. Done deal. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/6 "2009-08-21T03:20:13Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > It will depend on the strength of your raw ingredients. For example if you have TAA at 12.5 mcg it will take more of it to equal 4 mcg in the finished composite. If you have TAA at 37.5 it will take less of it because it is more concentrated so you will need less sprays when you get it all mixed in the bottle. I found that with my first version of …1a. I needed 6 sprays because I bought everything at 12.5 mcg strength. I’m getting ready to make another batch of it but I’m getting everything at 62.5 so I don’t need as many sprays to get the desired results. That does make it more complicated. From what my calculator tells me, I need almost 8 sprays to achieve the required strength (I currently have 5 mcg for everything). So I guess I’m going to need 16 sprays to achieve the equivalence of 2 sprays of MX301?? 😮 ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 3:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/7 "2009-08-21T03:26:22Z")
Sounds about right, if that’s the case it’s not even worth it. Well, hit wise maybe but you’ll only get about a _very few_ good uses by it. 😕 > [@KnowledgeIsPower](#): > > That does make it more complicated. From what my calculator tells me, I need almost 8 sprays to achieve the required strength (I currently have 5 mcg for everything). > > So I guess I’m going to need 16 sprays to achieve the equivalence of 2 sprays of MX301?? 😮 ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/8 "2009-08-21T03:30:18Z")
I bought these unfortunately just a couple days before I found out about MX301…oh well, gonna keep them to test separately I guess ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/9 "2009-08-21T03:33:50Z")
Ha, ha just try to layer everything on your skin instead. 😛 > [@KnowledgeIsPower](#): > > I bought these unfortunately just a couple days before I found out about MX301…oh well, gonna keep them to test separately I guess ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/10 "2009-08-21T16:14:03Z")
> [@KnowledgeIsPower](#): > > Now here’s my question. **Steve originally used about 4 sprays**. With MX301 (which is ICM 0.25.1a) my “sweet spot” is 2 sprays. > [@BLADE](#): > > **Steve just finds 6 is his sweet spot** rather than 2… Where did you guys get your info? Which is it, Steve? 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/11 "2009-08-21T17:38:34Z")
In his original posts of ICM, Steve mentioned he used 4-6 sprays. So technically he did use both lol. But I’ve found that he posted his results with 4 more often than 6, but also mentioned both. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/12 "2009-08-21T17:41:44Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Ha, ha just try to layer everything on your skin instead. 😛 [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) bomb! 😮 Think of this as a great way to learn what each ingredient does and how they interact before you actually make your composite. That is what I did and I learned a LOT about what the pheros can and cannot do. Good Luck! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/13 "2009-08-21T18:12:09Z")
It really depends on the mood I’m in. 3-6 ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/14 "2010-04-08T20:53:51Z")
2 Sprays = TAA 8 mcg B -Androstenol 10 mcg [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) 6 mcg P74 10 mcg none 10 mcg TAC 10 mcg I have not test this mix, but is the none not to weak with so many none buffers? Why is Bnol better then Anol? What is difference with rone + none in that mix? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 7:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/15 "2010-04-09T19:59:04Z")
> [@JohnnyHard](#): > > 2 Sprays = > > TAA 8 mcg > B -Androstenol 10 mcg > P93 6 mcg > P74 10 mcg > none 10 mcg > TAC 10 mcg > > I have not test this mix, but is the none not to weak with so many none buffers? > > Why is Bnol better then Anol? > > What is difference with rone + none in that mix? That is what experimenting all about. You get to answer your own questions 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/16 "2010-04-12T22:28:31Z")
How many ml I need to become the ICM.05b mix? TAA 4 mcg Anol 5 mcg [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) 3 mcg P74 5 mcg none 5 mcg TAC 5 mcg I have (all 30ml) P93 20mcg P74 25mcg TAA 25mcg TAC 25mcg None 10 mcg Alpha Androstenol 10mcg And how many sprays I need from this mix (in a 30ml bottle) to become close to one spray of the original mix? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 2:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/17 "2010-04-13T14:10:48Z")
> [@JohnnyHard](#): > > How many ml I need to become the ICM.05b mix? > > TAA 4 mcg > Anol 5 mcg > P93 3 mcg > P74 5 mcg > none 5 mcg > TAC 5 mcg > > I have (all 30ml) > > P93 20mcg > P74 25mcg > TAA 25mcg > TAC 25mcg > None 10 mcg > Alpha Androstenol 10mcg > > And how many sprays I need from this mix (in a 30ml bottle) to become close to one spray of the original mix? > > Thanks! > [@Mix Calculator 10.0](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mix-calculator-10-0/35591): > > [RapidShare: 1-CLICK Web hosting - Easy Filehosting](http://rapidshare.com/files/399851784/MixCalculator.exe) V 15.0 changelog Direct calculation instead of iterative calculations leading to faster results. Ability to change how the results are calculated (in no. of sprays or in ml.) for individual components on the fly. More intuitive interface. More error checks. More robust. The modified mix calculator contains a new feature that suggests what concentration of each [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) component to get so that your final mix can provide you with the req… ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/18 "2010-04-13T19:26:37Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > [Mix Calculator 10.0](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mix-calculator-10-0/35591) Thanks but I don’t understand the calculator… Can you help me with my mix snoopy? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/19 "2010-04-13T20:50:55Z")
Teach a man to fish… Maybe you should figure out how to work the calculator before you try go any further. Then if you have any problems ask any questions you have. > [@JohnnyHard](#): > > Thanks but I don’t understand the calculator… Can you help me with my mix snoopy? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-making-icm-mix/31740/20 "2010-04-13T21:09:53Z")
It’s not hard, the calculator basically tells you what to do on the right side of its menu. You don’t need any help, it’s already there. How more dummy proof can that be really? Plus there’s already a wealth of information on how to make these ICM mixes, just search and/or read through Snoopy’s journal/posts.