# Need some expert advice please **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 15, 2008, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-expert-advice-please/8326 "2008-01-15T18:45:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![torn35](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@torn35](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/torn35)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2008, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-expert-advice-please/8326/1 "2008-01-15T18:45:21Z")
Hello all, I am new to [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) and I wanted to see if they hold up to their reputation. I primairly decided to take this step was because I am interested in a girl at work and I am having trouble getting into a relationship with her. We talk a lot during work and get a long really well but it seems she is not looking for a relationship right now. She is one of those shy girl types that is not really good at getting and holding relationships and more of afraid to enter one it seems. She can be pretty open to talking but she seems not to get too open when it comes to guys in general. I have tried what I can without becoming too overbearing or anything like that to ruin what I have with her. It seems though I might just need an extra hand to help me with this struggle. So I was wondering what should I try out to help me with this situation? Thank you ---
**Author:** ![Kusro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f05b48/32.png) [@Kusro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kusro)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2008, 9:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-expert-advice-please/8326/2 "2008-01-16T09:07:11Z")
Hi torn35, Try using Instant Openness, to get her talking at a deeper level. Add AMMO which should create some sexual tension, attraction. You could also try the [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/)/AMMO combo. I hope that helps. Lets us know how it went. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2008, 9:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-expert-advice-please/8326/3 "2008-01-16T09:21:25Z")
Try this tooā€¦[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/).šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![torn35](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@torn35](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/torn35)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2008, 4:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-expert-advice-please/8326/4 "2008-01-16T16:11:02Z")
Ok great, Thanks very much for your input guys. I will try to see if I can get some to-go;s on these and test them out. Iā€™m still new at this so I will have to play around with them to find out what does work with me. Now with the [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) and Instant Openess, could I be able to use those both as more of a relaxant for her since she is shy. Or would those two be too much together and scare her off? ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 12:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-expert-advice-please/8326/5 "2008-01-17T00:28:11Z")
> [@torn35](#): > > Now with the Instant Female Magic and Instant Openess, could I be able to use those both as more of a relaxant for her since she is shy. Or would those two be too much together and scare her off? [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) contains Androstadienone which is believed to have ā€˜calmingā€™ effects. Instant Openness contains 70% Alpha Androstenol and 30% Beta Androstenol. The alpha isomer of Androstenol creates a friendly approachably impression, and can make the wearer seem less intimidating and more approachable. It seems to be more of a neurotic chatty pheromone than the beta isomer, touching more on empathy and romantic feelings. Androstenol also creates an aura of youth and health, which can help to create an impression of reproductive fitness, which is attractive. The primary reported response to Androstenol or Androstenol containing products has been an increase in chattiness and friendliness from both sexes, but as mentioned above it can increase sexual attractiveness as well. It has been referred to as an ā€œice-breakerā€ pheromone. Androstadienone is widely documented to have a very specific effect on the brain activity of women. One particular study has shown that it affects attention and social cognition areas of the brain. It is also one of the only pheromones that has been shown to stimulate the VNO, and so has been described as a _vomeropherin._ Androstadienone, more commonly known as A 1, is a very popular pheromone within the pheromone community. One of itā€™s more remarkable effects is that it can elevate a womanā€™s mood, and even alleviate PMS stress! It has been known to increase intimacy and comfort, and can also increase caring feelings. It has been called the ā€œlove pheromoneā€ because of the nature of the feelings and reactions it induces in women, and also because of itā€™s usefulness in more cozy relationship situations. ---
**Author:** ![torn35](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@torn35](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/torn35)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 5:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-expert-advice-please/8326/6 "2008-01-17T05:46:15Z")
Wow, thanks for the great break down of the two, that really helps me out to understand it better with its chemistry and all. I swear just reading about this stuff and how it works just gets me more and more excited about it. I canā€™t wait to try this stuff out. Ok well, I will be recieving a few to-goā€™s consisting of Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), ammo, Instant Shine, and TUTH. So what I would like to try out first would be Instant Openness, Instant Female Magic and Instant Shine using 2 sprays of each. I hope that wouldnā€™t be too much at first. See the thing that I am not too sure is the dosage I should use, since the first test I will be conducting is at work. My work is a bakery cafe which I work on the production line with her, so there is a lot of other smells involved a long with heat and humidity. So I really dont know how this will turn out, but I will have a better chance with this on my second run later when I will be going to more of a social outting with her and few other ladies. So I will be expecting better results that time. Any suggestions of application whether it be a where or how much for these situations? Thanks so much again. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 5:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-expert-advice-please/8326/7 "2008-01-17T05:58:02Z")
Although most of Androtics [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) are scented but you donā€™t have to worry about that because it is not the scent which is doing the ā€˜jobā€™. Some pheromones are stinky but you can always ā€˜coverā€™ it with your favourite cologne. You can spray 2 - 3 sprays and re-apply after about 4 hours if necessary.šŸ™‚ Good luck to you and God bless you.šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![torn35](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@torn35](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/torn35)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2008, 3:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-expert-advice-please/8326/8 "2008-01-20T03:26:19Z")
First off I am posting this on two threads to see if I can get more members for advice or other comments. Ok, so even though I know about the whole ā€œdont mix on first timeā€ rule, I just had to try it just for the hell of it. So here was my mix: 2x Instant Shine one on neck and chest, 1x Instant Openness on left arm, 1x [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) on right arm. I tried the two different arms because they move a lot during work. Anyways I worked today at the bakery and the results were hard to figure out. I was working closely with 3 people today on the production line. I worked with my manager, 25 male, and my two female co-workers 18 and 32. Each one was displaying some different reactions. The manager was in a more than average hyper mood, usually he is pretty mellow and laid back. Today he was saying a lot of wierd things and pretty flirteous. The one female co-worker, 32, was the most hyper and was all over the place today and being very goofy to put it best. I have seen her have her hyper moments but today she was really hyper. She was throwing a lot of stuff at me and making a lot of jokes at me and smiling a lot. So I am assuming those pheroes did the trick on her. Finally the girl that I was really testing this on is the other female co-worker, 18. She was pretty quiet today and kept to herself. We found out our boss was leaving and naturally she would be jumping for joy but instead she was just ok with it, happy but not enthusiatic. I asked her if she was alright and she said she didnā€™t know and she thinks she is getting sick. She did also hang around the manager quite a bit helping him out and she seemed to be in a good mood then too. Now towards the end of my shift, approx 8hrs after I first applied the mix, she was starting to get a little more life in her and was starting seem like herself again. Now what I am thinking is that the older co-workers were getting a really good vibe off of the stuff while the younger co-worker got the opposite reaction and seems to have a reverse reaction. Well that was my first experiment. Now tomorrow morning I will see her again so I will be trying out something else, probably less dosage. I am thinking maybe 1x Openness and Shine. Also I do have ammo and I am not too sure what situation I should use that one. I could try that on her this time come around with Instant Shine. I will also have another chance to try a different mix or just one product later that night. The situation will be that social outting where my work is going to have a very late christmas party at a skating ring so there will be multiple people there from work and not from work. So that situation I am a little more excited to try ammo and Turn Up the Heat. Not so much for that one particular girl but just for everyone else there. Any suggestions or commments would be great! Thanks guys for all your help.