# need some women advice please **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 29, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-women-advice-please/25515 "2009-01-29T22:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cabledawg299](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@cabledawg299](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/cabledawg299)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-women-advice-please/25515/1 "2009-01-29T22:18:02Z")
I have tried a lot of products with not so big results,social pheros are ok on strangers but i want one that will help put my wife in the mood, me i am 34 white guy about 190 active, work outside a lot and its cold out! my problem is when ever i wear phero’s my wife says i smell like sweat and she dosen’t like it, i have tried ammo turn up the heat instant oppeness [instant honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/)[cttm](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) 2 [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)[mx292](https://pheromonelabs.com/) instant shine actually all the instant series now that i think about it. any advice will help, started with the 1 spray thing and moved up on all those as well. when i wear a cover she says its too much colgne,she has a very sensitve nose and hates instant female magic, but tolerates ammo the best (thou she dont care for it) nor dose it get her in the mood. ---
**Author:** ![tfrankz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfrankz/32/468_2.png) [@tfrankz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfrankz)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-women-advice-please/25515/2 "2009-01-30T00:56:36Z")
Hey I have used [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) unscented and Tuth and it does great with the girls. P83 might move things along with Tuth and as a cover, not sure what you are putting on. Does she wear any herself? If so you might want to get something that is unisex and she might like it! Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![kismet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc8723/32.png) [@kismet](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kismet)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-women-advice-please/25515/3 "2009-01-30T01:56:53Z")
OK, as a chick I gotta ask you – is the sex slowdown between you guys just completely mysterious, or are there the usual suspects going on: taking it for granted and expecting sex to go from zero to penetration in 60 seconds, not creating a mood where you feel close to each other because of too little time/other stress, conflict over home issues making her mad at you (or you at her), etc? Because pheros won’t fix any of that. Once you have a history with someone you have to address what’s really bothering either of you first. Instead of the “get her into bed” mixes, try some [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) or something and see if you guys can just communicate. If it’s just kinda “need some zing” and everything else is hunky dory then maybe. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 1:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-women-advice-please/25515/4 "2009-01-30T13:37:28Z")
As kismit said there is a lot of things to consider here. First, Why has her libido diminished ?? Is she stressed out ? Do you have kids ? Is she on the pill ? Did she enjoy sex when you first got together ? No offence but are you going through the motions so to speak ? Mones can arouse but they can not overcome underlying problems. The scent issue is hard to avoid for overly sensitive people. Does she know your using them ? If so that was your first mistake since they work in the subconscious mind and only very open minded individuals can be aware of them and not fight the reaction but go with it. She seems very sensitive to all scents not just mones. What cologne have you tried with them ? You may want to try a basic one note scent to not bombard her with to many notes to process. Demeter [Demeter Fragrance Library, Inc.](http://www.demeterfragrance.com/) is a inexpensive place with every scent under the sun. A Lot are unisex or just masculine. Another thing to consider it how long your waiting to apply your scent after apply the products. To avoid bleed through wait longer 10 to 15 minutes. Now as a last resort (and I do not suggest this to everyone) go slower and get a scent of two you think she will like from Demeter or ones she has liked in the past and just add a little mones to them slowly. Yes you will be diluting them so the reaction wont be as strong but she will become accustomed to the scent this way. So that when you spray them on they seem more natural to her. See your wife knows your natural mone signature. When you first use mones with some people close they are confused by these new signals they are getting. She may be associating that change in your signature or that confusion she feels with the scent. Mone molecules will work no matter what they smell like but humans mask emotions very easily. She may just need more time to adjust. I cant really suggest more mone products till I know some of the answers to my questions though. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 2:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-women-advice-please/25515/5 "2009-01-30T14:00:52Z")
> [@cabledawg299](#): > > I have tried a lot of products with not so big results,social pheros are ok on strangers but i want one that will help put my wife in the mood, me i am 34 white guy about 190 active, work outside a lot and its cold out! my problem is when ever i wear phero’s my wife says i smell like sweat and she dosen’t like it, i have tried ammo turn up the heat instant oppeness [instant honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) [cttm](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) 2 [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) [mx292](https://pheromonelabs.com/) instant shine actually all the instant series now that i think about it. any advice will help, started with the 1 spray thing and moved up on all those as well. when i wear a cover she says its too much colgne,she has a very sensitve nose and hates instant female magic, but tolerates ammo the best (thou she dont care for it) nor dose it get her in the mood. getting in the mood for alot of women starts with how they feel about themselves. guys get in the mood thinking about/looking at the object of their affection. gals have to _FEEL_ like the object of affection to even _begin_ to go there. im not trying to answer for the whole board, but [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) can only start a fire where a fire _can_ be started. for example, when i really feel good and i feel sexxay, my guy can be all sweaty and comming home from work and i will devour him, its all good. its possible that she only doesnt care for the smells because she is not in the mood to begin with. in other words, my guy can small like _gasoline_ and it wouldnt matter if i have an agenda 😉 one thing to consider- if she was open to wearing them herself, a little instant sexiness can make one _want_ to be wanted. just an idea. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 2:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-women-advice-please/25515/6 "2009-01-30T14:25:57Z")
Great points Lor. > [@](#): > > in other words, my guy can small like _gasoline_ and it wouldnt matter if i have an agenda Lord I love the smell of my hubby when he has been outside working and comes in all sweaty and bronzed with no shirt on. Makes me crazy but if something else is bugging me or I am stressed out and distracted I will say ewwww go wash. Feeling good about yourself is a big issue which is part of the reason I asked about kids and stress levels. Spending quality alone time together helps alot. I find working out together helps although my hubby is not as into that as me. maybe some [Instant sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) will help if she would where it but she is sensitive to scents so I dont know. Stress can put a damper on everything so can being tired. The pill is notorious for killing the libido. Its hard to get in the mood when you know the kids may be outside the door any minute yelling “What ya doing in there” Christ I couldnt go to the bathroom without that question when they were little. I remember when my oldest was little we fell asleep naked after some fun and in the morning we wake up and there he is stark naked sleeping between us. Jeez what a time we had breaking him of that. Course he announced to everyone “we sleep nakky now” 😛 One thing none of us has mentioned though is have you talked to her about your feelings and conveyed that you love her no matter what but this is important to you. Make sure she knows that sex and intimacy is how men connect with women and it makes you feel close to her. Women get that connected feeling from other emotions and they need that before they have sex. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-women-advice-please/25515/7 "2009-01-30T17:57:09Z")
> [@cabledawg299](#): > > I have tried a lot of products with not so big results,social pheros are ok on strangers but i want one that will help put my wife in the mood, me i am 34 white guy about 190 active, work outside a lot and its cold out! my problem is when ever i wear phero’s my wife says i smell like sweat and she dosen’t like it, i have tried ammo turn up the heat instant oppeness [instant honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/)[cttm](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) 2 [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)[mx292](https://pheromonelabs.com/) instant shine actually all the instant series now that i think about it. any advice will help, started with the 1 spray thing and moved up on all those as well. when i wear a cover she says its too much colgne,she has a very sensitve nose and hates instant female magic, but tolerates ammo the best (thou she dont care for it) nor dose it get her in the mood. It might help you tailor your [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) usage if you could identify better what has your wife NOT in the mood. Is she stressed out? Is she having anxiety issues? Does she feel good about herself and where she is in life? Is she getting the right kind of attention? Too much attention? What is her age, and can hormonal imbalances have anything to do with it? How is her health? Is she fit? How are your other interactions? Now, I’m not one of those people who thinks good communication is necessary or even really desirable when it comes to sex and getting the engine running. One of my big turn offs is too much talking. When my husband starts talking about sex, I just get put off and turned off. But then I’m one of those girls that responds really well to a fist in my hair and a growl, especially if it is unexpected. So, P80 is a good choice for me. It wouldn’t necessarily be good for you. I guess my point is you need to identify exactly what the issue is and what you want to see happen before you can decide what to try. Diane ---
**Author:** ![cabledawg299](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@cabledawg299](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/cabledawg299)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-women-advice-please/25515/8 "2009-01-31T00:18:50Z")
Thanks for all the responses, I should clarify a few things, We are happily married with two little girls 5 and 2 life is good stress is average and she handles it well her libdo has always lower than mine and she is not on the pill, sex life is good i just want to get her exicted and long for it more like when we were young, she has no problems with sex but could easily go weeks with it and not complain. and she always seems to smell sweat in the pheros and she does not like sweat even if she is in the mood thats a deal breaker. ---
**Author:** ![tfrankz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfrankz/32/468_2.png) [@tfrankz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfrankz)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-women-advice-please/25515/9 "2009-01-31T02:17:13Z")
you want something to try as a cover check out Egyptian Musk Superior at Agarscents It cost $10 and $5 to ship it has an open of rose and some powder to it than the musk comes and mixes, very strong at first it should help cover up the phero’s she should not smell the sweat smell with it. Just a thought, the most you would lose is $15. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2009, 10:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-some-women-advice-please/25515/10 "2009-02-01T10:44:10Z")
> [@](#): > > does not like sweat even if she is in the mood thats a deal breaker . Some people are sensitive to smell due to a gene they have. Your wife may have this gene. If she does there is not much you can do about it really. Mones are derived from sweat urine and other bodily fluids. Of course even the synthetic ones are gonna smell like sweat. Usually cover takes care of the problem. As a last resort I would try the slowly diluting into a scent option I mentioned. See if she becomes accustomed to it over time. People become accustomed to even the worse smells and can function normally around them. (article below) [Sniffers’ genes dictate if sweat smells sweet - life - 22 September 2007 - New Scientist](http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19526225.600-sniffers-genes-dictate-if-sweat-smells-sweet.html) Now you can also try taking other approaches to increase her libido. I dont know how well they work cause I have the opposite problem. My libido has always been in overdrive. [12 All Natural Aphrodisiacs For Women With Low Libido](http://ezinearticles.com/?12-All-Natural-Aphrodisiacs-For-Women-With-Low-Libido&id=1913140) I do use alot of the foods listed in the article though LOL I have been married a long time. The most important advice I can give is communication. I think very gently letting her know how you feel and approaching a solution together is important. Maybe there are things that turn her on your not aware of. (like dianes caveman approach) which by the way almost all women like LOL. Just like you get excited when you know your turning her on women do to when we know were turning our men on. Just be sure when you approach the subject you dont approach it from the “I want more sex” attitude but the improving and exploring your intimate relationship angle. Dont make her feel like she is doing something wrong. The key here is getting her to open up so you can find the triggers that set her libido off. > [@](#): > > **Sniffers’ genes dictate if sweat smells sweet** > **A MAN can smell as sweet as vanilla or a foul as a urinal - and it depends largely on a single gene in the sniffer. Androstenone, a steroid derived from testosterone, is found in higher concentrations in the urine and sweat of men than of women. Some people think it reeks, others think it smells sweet, and some can’t detect it at all.** > > **Leslie Vosshall at Rockefeller University in New York and her colleagues asked 391 volunteers to sniff 66 odours of either high or low intensity and rate their pleasantness. Two of the odours had a steroid component that activated a particular receptor, _OR7D4_. So the team collected blood samples from the sniffers to see if genes could explain the difference in how androstenone was perceived.** > **They found two variants of _OR7D4_ that were involved. People with _RT/RT_ allele were more likely to think androstenone stinks, while those with _RT/WM_ think it smells like vanilla. Also people with _RT/RT_ were much more likely to pick up its smell in the first place (_Nature_, \*\*DOI: 10.1038/nature06162 ([Genetic variation in a human odorant receptor alters odour perception | Nature](http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature06162))**). The findings were similar for men and women.\*\* > **Since androstenone is used by some mammals to communicate sexual and social information, the researchers want to learn more about how it affects human behaviour - especially in people unable to detect it.**