# Need the utmost help from the elite members **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 23, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-the-utmost-help-from-the-elite-members/63893 "2015-02-23T22:06:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![darkrounge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3d9bf3/32.png) [@darkrounge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/darkrounge)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-the-utmost-help-from-the-elite-members/63893/1 "2015-02-23T22:06:31Z")
Hey guys. Quite a while back, last year to be exact, I met someone special to me using the products on this site. Quite recently, I stopped using those products (For a good 6-7months) and noticed a huge downfall in our relationship during the duration of those months. My relationship has gone done hill tremendously. Anyways, I’ve been together over a year now having used the products from Andro, I first started of with a strange mix about a year and a half ago when I first met her: TUTH and A314, it worked perfectly, I managed to get her liking and her approval, having escalated to a full relationship. I’m not sure what has happened but that combination doesn’t really work anymore having purchased another batch.. So my question is, and I need an honest answer that will probably work: Which [Pheromones](https://a314.com/) do you suggest using to win her heart over again, get back in the mood of things and feel the way we once did? I’m willing to purchase them. ---
**Author:** ![Kalpan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de0a6/32.png) [@Kalpan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kalpan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 7:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-the-utmost-help-from-the-elite-members/63893/2 "2015-02-24T07:36:56Z")
Relationship advice : Move on to some other girls. You can use the same formula again for getting another girl. Don’t stick with those who don’t like as you are. You can find plenty of woman with the power of pheromones who will love you for who you are. Pheromone advice: Use IH to know what is going on into her mind. After you can use the mixture of A314 + TUTH to get her liking. I recommend using IH. It will let you know your mistakes. Girls are strange creature. With the above method , it should be catwalk for you to get her back. All the best !! ---
**Author:** ![ScentHound](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scenthound/32/1840_2.png) [@ScentHound](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScentHound)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 12:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-the-utmost-help-from-the-elite-members/63893/3 "2015-02-24T12:13:15Z")
> [@darkrounge](#): > > Hey guys. > Quite a while back, last year to be exact, I met someone special to me using the products on this site. > Quite recently, I stopped using those products (For a good 6-7months) and noticed a huge downfall in our relationship during the duration of those months. > > My relationship has gone done hill tremendously. > Anyways, I’ve been together over a year now having used the products from Andro, I first started of with a strange mix about a year and a half ago when I first met her: > > TUTH and A314, it worked perfectly, I managed to get her liking and her approval, having escalated to a full relationship. > I’m not sure what has happened but that combination doesn’t really work anymore having purchased another batch.. > > So my question is, and I need an honest answer that will probably work: > > Which Pheromones do you suggest using to win her heart over again, get back in the mood of things and feel the way we once did? I’m willing to purchase them. From your wording of ‘managed to get her liking and approval’ I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume you came at her from a subservient frame in which the relationship was some sort of a PRIZE you won by courting her and showing her how much you NEED her in your life. This is not the frame of a man with many options women-wise. Most women will enter a relationship with a man without other options but their attraction is very low and will drop even further after they prove to themselves that ‘this guy is house-broken now, he’s my little puppy and when I say JUMP he asks HOW HIGH, MY LOVE?’ Reset button. Go find A LOT of new women, learn how to seduce them properly without handing them your balls and never seek their liking or approval ever again! (Sorry for the harsh advice but pheromones isn’t the solution to your problem here..) ---
**Author:** ![darkrounge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3d9bf3/32.png) [@darkrounge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/darkrounge)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 12:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-the-utmost-help-from-the-elite-members/63893/4 "2015-02-24T12:56:06Z")
I understand where you’re both coming from and to truly understand my relationship would be to actually live it and be in it. Advice to improve the relationship would be great. It’s more ‘me’ who wants to split up with her, she insists in me staying but ever since the drop of pheromones the way we act has changed an awful lot. I’ve had relationships in the past, I’d like to try and experiment with more pheromones that will contribute to the problems. If anyone could actually assist me in the right direction I would be thankful. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 12:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-the-utmost-help-from-the-elite-members/63893/5 "2015-02-24T12:59:43Z")
Pheros will not fix a relationship that is already dying for other reasons. If these two aren’t working so well now, its because of issues that arose since you stopped using them and have affected her emotions more seriously. Other factors may also be in-play and as its a year down the line, it could be that you might need to revise your dose due to age - how old are both of you? So whilst addressing any other issues, or pulling right back from her, its now the time to find the doses that work better for you now now - and you may want to consider some steering/rounding-out/reengagement mones as well. IH as suggested above is good - and that could be steered by IS or [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/), IH/P74 might also be useful for its bonding/“fallout” properties and the emotional “reset” effects of P96 could also be useful. I’d suggest 7.5mcg per spray for P74 and 10mcg for P96. Also, A314-based mixes tend to be heavy on the solid/commitment values and it is quite possible she’s decided that she’s not there yet and a more fun/easygoing/good times vibe might be better suited to her current emotional stage. So lighter fun/social/sexy mixes and less pressure to resume a relationship might work better in the short to medium term. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-the-utmost-help-from-the-elite-members/63893/6 "2015-02-24T13:03:55Z")
> [@darkrounge](#): > > Advice to improve the relationship would be great. > It’s more ‘me’ who wants to split up with her, she insists in me staying but ever since the drop of pheromones the way we act has changed an awful lot. OK, if you are sending these signals, an A314/TUTH signature might only serve to make you seem all the more determined to be standoffish and go your own way. Which again may be attractive but somewhat difficult for her. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-the-utmost-help-from-the-elite-members/63893/7 "2015-02-24T18:47:48Z")
The initial attraction phase involves just focus. You are intensely focused on the other person, it is not really an emotion per se, more of a fascination. From there it develops towards integration, where the two stop being separate, and begin to become “ONE”. So each sees the other as part of themselves. What are “we” doing? Decisions are made together. Any statements made that are derisive to the character of the other person is incompatible with this integration - “you always find a way to screw this up!”. From a woman’t point of view, she wants a man who will accept her influence. What that means is you go out of your way to see things from her perspective. Her emotions are part of every decision-making process. This is part of the reason men have evolved to be less emotional than women, and repress it as necessary - it reduces conflict. You can at the same time recogize her emotions on an issue and affirm that perspective as valid, and at the same time point out any evidence that might be factually inconsistent. Perhaps your logic will persuade her to change her mind, or maybe it won’t. However way, recognize what she desires and help her advance towards her goals. Faith is important - if you think you can find a way to say yes to her and see it the way she does, you will find a way, even if it’s in a lighthearted way. Just don’t mock her, don’t smirk or roll your eyes. Don’t act like you are better than her. Show empathy, but also attempt to persuade her of how you’d like to tackle things. Don’t worry if she’s not convinced - just affirm that she feels strongly about this. There is a reason why women prefer men who are not making eye contact, and not smiling in pictures. She wants the stoic man who’s focused on some intersting problem that he’s working on. Maybe he can fix problems she needs help with! Don’t stare her down - she’s not the problem. Be looking at the stuff that bothers her. When you talk to her, you of course want to be the man with a plan, and an idea of which way you’d like to go, but show “wiggle room” for her to influence you. “Hello There, Sorry, I noticed your heel is broken, maybe I could take it to the shop for you”? She says “Thanks but no, I like one shorter than the other”. Something like that. The time for her to defer to you is the times when she doesn’t feel strongly about something. Those are the times that she wants you to be her leaning post. When she’s confused and unsure.