# New A314 mixes? **URL:** \ **Category:** A314 Insider's Club\ **Created:** [August 18, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647 "2009-08-18T00:51:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/1 "2009-08-18T00:51:52Z")
Just read a post by MHarris mentioned that new versions of A314 will be out tomorrow. "**Standard Edition, Ultrafine Edition, P90 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) Edition, Extra Androstenone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) Edition, and the Social Bonding Edition**" Does anyone know anything about these mixes? Were these in the A314 test pack MXs? I am interested in the p90 version for sure and will probably pick this up. I am curious about the Ultrafine version as well. Just because of the word “ultrafine” though. LOL sales at its best 🙂 I hope these will be oil based. I need another bottle already as mine leaked and I have about a quarter of it left. ☹ Hopefully it will liven up this area of the forum! Anyone know anything? ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/2 "2009-08-18T13:54:28Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > Just read a post by MHarris mentioned that new versions of A314 will be out tomorrow. > > "**Standard Edition, Ultrafine Edition, P90 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) Edition, Extra Androstenone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) Edition, and the Social Bonding Edition**" > > Does anyone know anything about these mixes? Were these in the A314 test pack MXs? I am interested in the p90 version for sure and will probably pick this up. I am curious about the Ultrafine version as well. Just because of the word “ultrafine” though. LOL sales at its best 🙂 I hope these will be oil based. I need another bottle already as mine leaked and I have about a quarter of it left. ☹ > > Hopefully it will liven up this area of the forum! > > Anyone know anything? These are all complete, they just need to be added to the cart, and announced properly. The Ultrafine version is a preview (done in small batches) of the new chemical definition we have. Ultimately, our next project will be all ultrafine “big batch” if everything goes well. I’ll explain the new Ultrafine definition. Typically, the best two best gades of chemicals are USP/NF (pharmaceutical grade, minimizes impurities that could be toxic to humans). Some USP chemicals might be only 97% pure active. The key thing is that the 3% impurities would all be considered harmless for human use. At the the high end of purity, analytical grade and ACS analytical grade (super high % of actives, even 99.9x%, but may have impurities that are toxic) While Ultrafine is a made up definition, it’s not just marketing. There was literally no legal definition that encompasses both super high purity AND low toxicity. Here’s a small chart: [http://secure.sciencecompany.com/Chemical-Grade-Designations-W53C665.aspx](http://secure.sciencecompany.com/Chemical-Grade-Designations-W53C665.aspx) We needed a name to label my request to the chemist to get the higher % of purity possible, as in ACS analytical chemicals, while ALSO being basically pharmaceutical grade/safe for people. Thus, it’s a hybrid. A new definition was required. And yeah, “Ultrafine” does sound a good bit sexier than some other chemical definitions. USP/NF sounds like something only technicians would know. Heck, USP/NF actually sounds almost like something you might ask for at the an HVAC or electrical supply house. I don’t think most people know that their vitamins and other ingestible should be ideally be both USP and NF (Japan’s version of USP) graded. ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 2:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/3 "2009-08-18T14:01:37Z")
Hi Michael, Can you explain the others as well? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/4 "2009-08-18T14:32:57Z")
the Ultrafine version sounds really intriguing. This one and the P90 are a must have. I think that the -none formula wont be so successful. And the social one will probably be a friendly(everyday) version of A314(without none). This will come handy for people who doesnt want to intimidate but either way… i gotta have all of them.. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/2/2a84467dc50985e00c7d2e8ba498c9c9432c7f7d.gif) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/5 "2009-08-18T14:41:17Z")
> [@idle](#): > > the Ultrafine version sounds really intriguing. > This one and the P90 are a must have. > > I think that the -none formula wont be so successful. > > And the social one will probably be a friendly(everyday) version of > A314(without none). > This will come handy for people who doesnt want to intimidate > > but either way… i gotta have all of them.. > > [http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/idlebg/emotes/\_cookies\_\_by\_Aurablade.gif](http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/idlebg/emotes/_cookies__by_Aurablade.gif) > > 😃 I don’t know about the none version. My most regular 314 mix includes 1-2 sprays of instant jerk. Also 2 sprays of instant honesty and it really does wonders for me at work. Of course I have to be a little overbearing and not afraid to say what needs to be said. I do agree however that I want them all! ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/6 "2009-08-18T14:44:44Z")
Mharris- thanks for the response btw! Also another question are thes going to be sprays or oil based? ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/7 "2009-08-18T14:47:33Z")
> [@denec](#): > > Hi Michael, > > Can you explain the others as well? > > Thanks Yep. **The P90 Editio** n has 10mcg per drop of P90. This is a great molecule that has a similar feel as A314 does already. It was used in the Chemical Charisma tests, which generated some impressive results. I hate doing something like this in oil, since P90 costs so much (it’s a specialty chemical to say the least), but it’s pretty exciting at the same time. I can’t wait to try this one myself! **The Bonding Edition** nhas bonding and social mones - 20mcg total added per drop. Makes A314 more “all in one”. This comes close to the “AXS” (“access”) mix I did with the A314 base a long time ago, but never released. I know not everyone will buy the combo, but I’ll likely try a drop or two of this, with a drop of the P90 Edition. **The Extra androstenone edition** includes 50% more androstenone. I probably wouldn’t use this edition myself, since I feel that it breaks with the particular projected image that I enjoy. However, some men use A314 for attraction purposes, and this should work well in this regard. It will certainly reduce the “fatherly” feeling of A314 a bit, but at the same time make a bit more more useful for “playing the field” without as much subsequent fallout. **I’ll explain “fallout” in more detail:** women tend to want typical A314 users all for themselves. It’s truly a “this is my man” type of mix, when used for attraction. A314 can attract some amazing women to you, normally out of reach women – no doubt – but it comes with a price normally. That price is often ownership of your soul. 😉 (I jest by exaggerating a bit, but… with some women.. who knows!) On the other hand, androstenone tends to strongly communicate the type of man who’s good for sperm, and little else. The genetic “wildcard” that fulfill innate biological needs for perquisite variety, and nothing else. The kind of men they’d invite to bed while they ovulate, but not to breakfast the next day. “Get out of my bed, you stinky pig!” See “Evolution of Desire” by David M. Buss as a reference. There’s some amazing corollaries between evolutionary psychology and [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). I think what we’ve seen as pheromonal effects adds signicant evidence to the theories of evolutionary psychology. > **[Amazon.com: The Evolution Of Desire: Strategies of Human Mating: 9780465008025:...](https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Desire-Strategies-Human-Mating/dp/046500802X)** > > Amazon.com: The Evolution Of Desire: Strategies of Human Mating: 9780465008025: Buss, David M.: Books Of course, evolutionary psychology adds to the pheromonal body of knowledge. It’s a two way street. For the serious pheromone enthusiast, I highly recommend the study of body evolutionary psychology and “human ethology”. Lastly, of course, **the Ultrafine Edition** uses a preview of our newest in-house chemical specification. It’ll be to see how the new specification changes something as stable (and almost classical?) as A314. You often can’t just drop in an alternate synthesis of a chemical, and expect it to work exactly the same as it did before. I’m not just hallucinating this. Split tests here show this to be true, and I have a retired friend from BASF in France (probably the biggest chemical company in Europe) who delights in the fact that I’ve noticed this. When they’ve changed starting materials and/or done process development and changed the synthesis route, they’ve seen different effects in end products. Even in colors used for jeans. The % of active product you see in a certificate of analysis simply does not tell the whole story. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any more questions. ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 3:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/8 "2009-08-18T15:19:18Z")
Thank you for great explanations One last question are these all in oil? ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/9 "2009-08-18T16:46:13Z")
As i said the P90 version will be a definite hit. so the ultrafine editions uses alternate synthesis method. This is getting interesting and mysterious 🙂 you dont know what to expect.. how will the effects differ from the original and will the mones steer in a different direction. But I have a good feeling for the new synthesis version thou… i think this will be a step forward to the ultimate business mix 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 5:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/10 "2009-08-18T17:31:29Z")
> [@denec](#): > > Thank you for great explanations > > One last question are these all in oil? It looks like from his post Mharris said “I hate doing something like this oil…” From that I would take they are oil based. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/11 "2009-08-18T17:35:52Z")
> [@denec](#): > > Thank you for great explanations > > One last question are these all in oil? Yes. 10ml (although I think 15ml might still be possible) I’m probably going to make a new spray on “regular”, though, for our new economic stimulus package (to help people increase trust and affinity, and get jobs). The upcoming spray won’t be a perfect version of A314 (none of the test spray versions ever were), but it should be _okay_. Thomas Lavoie said he used MX102, I think it was, to get an abnormally high raise at his job. 2.something times normal. That’s good enough. That’s enough of the A314 effect to really help out. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/12 "2009-08-18T17:39:56Z")
> [@idle](#): > > As i said the P90 version will be a definite hit. Hopefully. It’ll be more than double the cost of regular, though, since P90 is not yet a “production quantity molecule”. It’s still very… well, wow. I’ve gotten some amazing results with the old Chemical Charisma series, which was mostly P90 based. > [@](#): > > so the ultrafine editions uses alternate synthesis method. > This is getting interesting and mysterious 🙂 you dont know what to expect.. how will the effects differ from the original and will the mones steer in a different direction. > But I have a good feeling for the new synthesis version thou… i think this will be a step forward to the ultimate business mix 🙂 That’s a good theory. My own educated hunch is that with less impurities, it’ll be a more refined effect, more stable, but it might also be a little less sexual (since raw sexuality sometimes benefits from something a little less stable) So if you want more sexual, I’d say it’s not the way to go go. I wouldn’t normally go for A314 for a sexual effect, anyway, but if I really had to I’d go for the A314 Extra Androstenone version. one version. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/13 "2009-08-18T17:45:18Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > It looks like from his post Mharris said “I hate doing something like this oil…” > > From that I would take they are oil based. Well, I feel that oil is a major _commitment_ (and you know how guys feel about that!) compared to a little 5ml To Go bottle. It’s more permanent. It’s like writing something in stone, whereas the MX series in To Go bottles is more like writing something on paper with a pencil. It’s not such a big deal if you fail. Imagine if Moses made a mistake writing the the 10 commandments in stone. You know, maybe he did. Maybe it was just too difficult to correct. Maybe, in fact, we were supposed to kill our neighbors and sleep with their wives. Hmm! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/14 "2009-08-18T18:28:12Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > Hopefully. It’ll be more than double the cost of regular, though, since P90 is not yet a “production quantity molecule”. > > It’s still very… well, wow. I’ve gotten some amazing results with the old Chemical Charisma series, which was mostly P90 based. was the chemical charisma series called MX252? I never got a chance to test that one but heard great things about it. I think this is the the version I will go for since i already have plenty of products with none in it, and other one that sounds interesting is the social bonding but this one you keep talking about sounds very good ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/15 "2009-08-18T18:43:20Z")
> [@denec](#): > > was the chemical charisma series called MX252? I never got a chance to test that one but heard great things about it. There were more, but I know at least MX252 was released to the forum, yes. P90s a great little molecule. > [@](#): > > I think this is the the version I will go for since i already have plenty of products with none in it, and other one that sounds interesting is the social bonding but this one you keep talking about sounds very good Hopefully it harmonizes well. I can’t wait to try these myself. The only one I’m not personally interested in is the extra androstenone one. A lot of people have wanted that, but it’s not really up my alley. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/16 "2009-08-18T18:53:18Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > Well, I feel that oil is a major _commitment_ (and you know how guys feel about that!) compared to a little 5ml To Go bottle. It’s more permanent. > > It’s like writing something in stone, whereas the MX series in To Go bottles is more like writing something on paper with a pencil. It’s not such a big deal if you fail. > > Imagine if Moses made a mistake writing the the 10 commandments in stone. You know, maybe he did. Maybe it was just too difficult to correct. Maybe, in fact, we were supposed to kill our neighbors and sleep with their wives. Hmm! 😉 I appreciate your commitment that you have shown to everyone here. I have only been a customer since May and have already made 3 purchases and am ready to make my 4th very soon 🙂 I know it feels great to do something with permanence! Companies are so afraid to take risks. I know you have a lot to fear due to the products you work with, but I wish you all the luck I can get for you! I am working on a business idea for myself and have learned quite a bit from the way your company operates. Much of it I want to incorporate into my own business model. I have to thank you for your hard work as well as everyone who is under your employment. You are not only pioneers in your industry but a wonderful company as well! I actually have a couple neighbors I would not mind disappearing so if there is an update to the 10 commandments let me know 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/17 "2009-08-18T18:53:59Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > So if you want more sexual, I’d say it’s not the way to go… This is the last thing it comes to my mind… They are plenty of sexual/seduction mixes and products out there.. i think that the -none version is not a good decision… On the other hand its a good decision if you look it economically 🙂 sex sells ! so a sex related product = more sales. and i think A314 might become the -none product everyone will like. But i will stick to the business / social properties of A314. In its current form its the only product out there suitable for a business meetings and helping you become more successful. ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/18 "2009-08-18T19:04:02Z")
When i think of it .. the A314 -none edition will be much better then most of the heavy none products out there. I am starting to hate those -none products… So they “get” the females.. but.. i just see how BAD influence it has on males. some of them start to act nervious.. and anxiety kicks in.. Most the the guys have stressful lifes already and the none heavy product doesnt seems to help one bit. I stoped testing RAW mixes 311-316 for now… and i am starting to lower my daily none dosage. This is where the new A314 might come in handy. it has allot of social buffers to mellow the negatives males recieved from it.. and work on the females the same time. So if you look it this way even heavy none A314 is 100 times better then the other NONE products available everywhere. omg.. i had to edit this post like 8times.. it was full of mistypes (sorry for that) ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/19 "2009-08-18T19:13:27Z")
> [@idle](#): > > When i think of it .. the A314 -none edition will be much better then most of the heavy none products out there. > > I am starting to hate those -none products… So they “get” the females.. but.. i just see how BAD influence it has on males. some of them start to act nervious.. and anxiety kicks in.. > Most the the guys have stressful lifes already and the none heavy product doesnt seems to help one bit. > > I stoped testing RAW mixes 311-316 for now… and i am starting to > lower my daily none dosage. > > This is where the new A314 might come in handy. it has allot of social > buffers to mellow the negatives males recieved from it.. and work on the females the same time. > So if you look it this way even heavy none A314 is 100 times better then > the other NONE products available everywhere. Not to mention the -none rage. I remember the first time I experienced it. Afterwards I was like WTF happened? Kind of scared me to behave like that. Now I know better ways to prevent it from reoccuring but others may not be so lucky. So I would agree with you this might be a good idea. However I would not want to use A314 to pick up women. There seem to be better products available. However without testing… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BLADE](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blade/32/2083_2.png) [@BLADE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BLADE)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 11:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647/20 "2009-08-18T23:57:59Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > There were more, but I know at least MX252 was released to the forum, yes. > > P90s a great little molecule. > > Hopefully it harmonizes well. I can’t wait to try these myself. The only one I’m not personally interested in is the extra androstenone one. A lot of people have wanted that, but it’s not really up my alley. I actually grabbed an MX252 with my last order when some of the oldies were re-released… yet another thing to test 🙂 I’m going to have to quit my job! [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-mixes/31647.md?page=2)