# New A314 Revision 28 (Red Labels)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Store Announcements & Feedback\ **Created:** [March 10, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257 "2011-03-10T22:41:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/1 "2011-03-10T22:41:20Z")
`http://www.pheromonetalk.com/a314-insiders-club/a314-ultrafine-too-soft-53688-2.html#post402949` Had a member with this sticker, batched just less than a week ago. ?? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/2 "2011-03-14T17:33:08Z")
We actually recently changed our lot system to take into account a few new features. The alpha-numeric sequence you will start seeing on all of our products going forth is just internal stuff. It allows us to track a lot of things when someone calls in. You will also start seeing some of these weird red/orange A314 labels because quite frankly, we ran out of the old ones šŸ™‚. We are awaiting on a new batch and arenā€™t willing to cause calamity in the world by stop sending the prized A314. To make due we used whatever label we had and it just so happened to be red šŸ™‚. Keep in mind with any revision number change it is not going to be something as big as a changed formula unless AD makes mention of it. The special A314 revisions mixed by Michael took up R24 through R27 so the next in line was R28. ANYTIME we change ANYTHING in a mix we change revision numbers. Changing something does not necessarily mean we changed formulas (again I would believe AD would post this), but it could be a new batch of DPG we got in. We really are that nuts about tracking everything even things you might not even think about. Something as simple sounding as the carrier oil of a product could have huge implications on the product however so needs to be tracked hence revised revision numbers. It could be anything that goes into a product from one drop of musk to a different type of alcohol or even a new batch of molecules. We want to know we are delivering the best possible experience at all times. The A314 revision was not a formula change though ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/3 "2011-03-14T17:40:34Z")
> [@A Big Hello from Texas](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-big-hello-from-texas/28921/7): > > We actually recently changed our lot system to take into account a few new features. The alpha-numeric sequence you will start seeing on all of our products going forth is just internal stuff. It allows us to track a lot of things when someone calls in. > > You will also start seeing some of these weird red/orange A314 labels because quite frankly, we ran out of the old ones šŸ™‚. We are awaiting on a new batch and arenā€™t willing to cause calamity in the world by stop sending the prized A314. To make due we used whatever label we had and it just so happened to be red šŸ™‚. > > Keep in mind with any revision number change it is not going to be something as big as a changed formula unless AD makes mention of it. The special A314 revisions mixed by Michael took up R24 through R27 so the next in line was R28. ANYTIME we change ANYTHING in a mix we change revision numbers. Changing something does not necessarily mean we changed formulas (again I would believe AD would post this), but it could be a new batch of DPG we got in. We really are that nuts about tracking everything even things you might not even think about. Something as simple sounding as the carrier oil of a product could have huge implications on the product however so needs to be tracked hence revised revision numbers. > > It could be anything that goes into a product from one drop of musk to a different type of alcohol or even a new batch of molecules. We want to know we are delivering the best possible experience at all times. > > The A314 revision was not a formula change though Thanks Steve, Was gonna start saving all my R.23ā€™s going forward. ---
**Author:** ![TheBoogieMan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theboogieman/32/1136_2.png) [@TheBoogieMan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheBoogieMan)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/5 "2011-03-15T01:02:30Z")
> [@HELP!!! Save my love and little son](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-save-my-love-and-little-son/27784/76): > > šŸ™„ > > Whatā€™s with you guys and hanging onto old obsolete things? Hahaha I donā€™t know but at least it keeps you aroundā€¦šŸ˜®šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜› jk ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 4:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/6 "2011-03-15T04:18:02Z")
> [@HELP!!! Save my love and little son](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-save-my-love-and-little-son/27784/76): > > šŸ™„ > > Whatā€™s with you guys and hanging onto old obsolete things? Hahaha Obsolete? I think past experience has shown that a lot of the good stuff is what eventually disappears. So yea, we hoard. ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 6:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/7 "2011-03-15T06:11:07Z")
Iā€™m about 1/3 of my A314 oil, R23. So, possibly should order some of this updated Revision to compareā€¦ does this also change the /a and /b alcohol based A314? ---
**Author:** ![bestintel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bestintel/32/1883_2.png) [@bestintel](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bestintel)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/8 "2011-03-15T17:37:44Z")
> [@HELP!!! Save my love and little son](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-save-my-love-and-little-son/27784/76): > > šŸ™„ > > Whatā€™s with you guys and hanging onto old obsolete things? Hahaha If it ainā€™t broke donā€™t fix it I think are people mentality John, but if you donā€™t fix it how can you improve on it? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 8:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/9 "2011-03-15T20:22:41Z")
> [@Hi From New York](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-new-york/28937/3): > > Iā€™m about 1/3 of my A314 oil, R23. So, possibly should order some of this updated Revision to compareā€¦ does this also change the /a and /b alcohol based A314? No, nothing to do with other products šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 8:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/10 "2011-03-15T20:58:45Z")
Great I stirred the pot again ---
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 10:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/14 "2011-03-16T10:54:04Z")
> [@Hi From New York](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-new-york/28937/3): > > Iā€™m about 1/3 of my A314 oil, R23. So, possibly should order some of this updated Revision to compareā€¦ does this also change the /a and /b alcohol based A314? Ditto. I would definitely like to see what the different revisions are like. ---
**Author:** ![bisso30](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@bisso30](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bisso30)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/16 "2011-03-16T18:56:52Z")
1 drop of Rev. 28 is an automatic lay and promotionā€¦it also makes you coffee once in a while. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/17 "2011-03-16T19:05:17Z")
> [@Hello, New Here...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-new-here/28960/8): > > You may be disappointed, since not every revision is supposed to be different effects. Sometimes like Steve said it can be as simple as a different batch/source of DPG or even a different synthesis of a molecule. Its nothing to go crazy over. lol > > Everybody chill šŸ†’ John is 100% correct guys. We are not changing the formula. It be like asking Johnson and Johnson for a complete listing of every time they change there lot numbers. Essentially you would halt all production of the product itself. ---
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 10:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/19 "2011-03-17T22:12:27Z")
> [@Hello, New Here...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-new-here/28960/8): > > You may be disappointed, since not every revision is supposed to be different effects. Sometimes like Steve said it can be as simple as a different batch/source of DPG or even a different synthesis of a molecule. Its nothing to go crazy over. lol > > Everybody chill šŸ†’ Oh I was referring to say p90, UF, extra none edition, etc. Iā€™m just very curious as to what they can do and Iā€™m starting to run low on my current batch of a314. But I get what youā€™re saying. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Gotchaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@Gotchaz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gotchaz)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 1:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/20 "2011-05-11T01:35:10Z")
> [@HELP!!! Save my love and little son](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-save-my-love-and-little-son/27784/76): > > šŸ™„ > > Whatā€™s with you guys and hanging onto old obsolete things? Hahaha LOL I still half half a bottle of REV 23 šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/21 "2011-05-17T18:27:52Z")
I think itā€™s unrealistic to ridicule members for thinking that new versions of products might not be as good as old ones. Can anyone sayā€¦ copulins? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 9:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/22 "2011-05-17T21:36:55Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > I think itā€™s unrealistic to ridicule members for thinking that new versions of products might not be as good as old ones. Can anyone sayā€¦ copulins? I think its unrealistic for you to say anyone is being ridiculed here! Can anyone say ā€œI only know one side of the story and as such blindly misinformed?ā€ ---
**Author:** ![menger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@menger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/menger)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 12:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/23 "2011-05-18T12:25:58Z")
Pardon my ignorance, Steve, but i thought u said you arenā€™t aware of the formulas? Or does AD inform you when there are changes? ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/25 "2011-05-18T21:00:15Z")
@JS - Not sure what you mean. The thread was on the front page of the store forum. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 7:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/26 "2011-05-19T19:50:19Z")
If it smells different then whatever, itā€™s still the same formula, If you think AD changed it and itā€™s not gonna react the same way, then just donā€™t buy it and stick with the sprays. When I first started this I thought there was just something that really did change but aside from a few people, there havenā€™t been many reports out there. If they used something different then MAYBE itll smell different, but thatā€™s the same thing as using Akuto/Neroli/FF for ammo, same molecules, different scents. It should be the end of that. ---
**Author:** ![menger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@menger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/menger)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 1:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257/27 "2011-05-20T13:28:31Z")
So if you informed _everyone_, how did this thread even come out? My problem is very simple. I trust Steve and his opinions, as do most of the people on this forum, to be right. > [@](#): > > (again I would believe AD would post this) as seen on his 1st post at this thread, i canā€™t help but wonder if he is kept in the loop since he does not have access to the formula. If in doubt, ask. Or would u prefer i assume? Maybe you donā€™t appreciate what these slight differences may mean to some of us but i believe thatā€™s the reason why i buy your products - for the ā€œminuteā€ differences - and not someone elseā€™s. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-a314-revision-28-red-labels/49257.md?page=2)