# new bottle of EOW , it has almost no smell at all!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 19, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282 "2009-02-19T20:47:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/41 "2009-02-21T02:27:34Z")
I just totally geeked myself out… LOL! 😃 I went a hunting for the items I’d need to do this. There are only three drawbacks I can see. One is putting together a temperature controlled incubator for the growth media, not a real problem, just a pain in the ass. It would cost me under $20 to build one and I can go to Lowe’s to get what I’d need. Basically all I need is a low watt bulb, a socket, a thermometer, and a thermostat coil, and a box to mount it all in. Second is putting together an apparatus to evaporate off the ethanol under vacuum and concentrate the cops. Again, not a major problem, just a total pain in the ass. I wouldn’t even need to worry about removing all the ethanol except for those pesky little liquor laws… not an issue for my own use, though. Total cost for this would be around $100 or less, but it might take some time to design something if I can’t find the right kind of glass containers, connectors, and equipment. Alternatively, I could use lab grade denatured ethanol and not worry about evaporating all of it off. That would make it much easier, and the evaporation process far simpler. The third is finding a supplier for BHT to retard oxidation once the cops are resuspended in something other than ethanol. BHT might be the real problem… something to retard oxidation, I think is a must for fatty acids if they are going to be stored for any length of time. Well, hell… I just found a supplier that will provide 125 grams for $28.00. And I’d need to use only a very, very tiny amount of this. So the only other things I’m missing are some larger capped tubes for the growth media; an alcohol burner (for updraft), some flasks, some sealing film, a couple of sterile swabs, some saline, and some sterile glass pipettes. All these things are cheap and easy to come by. Probably less than $50 total. Oh, I’d also need a pickle jar with lid, a couple of tea light candles, and some lactose-agar plates to help isolate the right flora. And I’ll need to choose the right growth media. But, wow! This could be done so cheaply. 😮 Well, maybe not so cheaply. I’d need to invest in a centrifuge and centrifuge tubes. This could run up to $8,000, but I just found several really nice, even new ones on ebay for less than $200. And you know, there is absolutely nothing toxic in any of this, except maybe for the stuff they use to denature ethanol. Diane ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/42 "2009-02-21T02:48:55Z")
Ok I got a couple panicked member PM’s LOL Everyone remain calm. Diane is correct and I agree with her. I have no ideal why they use Benzenethiol in EOW. It dosnt smell like a healthy vagina. it dosnt need to be there in my opinion. Benzenethiol is highly toxic in high ingested doses and I assure you, you have ingested it before. Its in some coffee, cocoa Benzenethiol is on the approved FDA list for food flavor additives. This is not to say the FDA is always right. There are plenty of foods they approve that are crap for the system but you are not going to ingest the copulins and only a trace amount of Benzenethiol is used in EOW. This was not the case with the Beta bottles of long ago that melted. The current bottles do not corrode or melt because they use very little in it. Yes some can be absorbed but it would still be in much lower dosages then you would ingest as a flavor additive. Here is the food and drug listing [21 CFR 172.515 - Synthetic flavoring substances and adjuvants. - Code of Federal Regulations - Title 21: Food and Drugs - vLex](http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/172-515-synthetic-flavoring-adjuvants-19708057) Dermal Toxicity Is at 134.00 mg tested on rabbits and 300.00 mg tested on rats So nothing is going to fall off your body and you wont break out with leprosy from using it. I am not trying to defend stone or his products because they are not the best out there by far. A lot of people use EOW and the above scared them. I dont like members scared 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 3:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/43 "2009-02-21T03:03:29Z")
Oh, argh! I’m so sorry to have panicked everyone. Tish is correct and it is approved for use as a flavoring agent. It is still toxic at high doses and I still don’t know why they added it to their cops formula. I was thinking today that maybe it might be to retard the formation of peroxides in the cops, but there are better alternatives. BHT, for example is used regularly as an antioxidant in lipids and fatty acids. And it doesn’t stink. Ascorbic acid is another really terrific antioxidant. BHA is another really good one for use with fatty acids, but it is more expensive. Even Ascorbyl palmit is a better choice. There are tons of choices that aren’t as toxic. But thiols are also called mercaptans. Is it the smell they want? If so, why do they want that smell? Thiols are the smell that is added to natural gas that makes is smell so awful. These are considered the most noxious smells of any chemicals. > [@Michael Storer](#): > > …] As for benzenthiol (thiophenol), it is considered “highly” toxic and not really a substance I want to fool with or promote the use of. There are many other thiols which I think are better choices. It’s just a matter of locating them. As for the EOW, I just found a To Go! bottle a few days ago that I had diluted some of my old batch of EOW into with Pink Sugar. I’m using it because it is what I have. And I still have 8 or 9 test mixes that contain diluted EOW as part of the mix, and I’m still testing those. I want a better alternative. And I wont’ be reordering EOW. Diane ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/44 "2009-02-21T03:24:53Z")
Its ok Diane, It happens 🙂 > [@](#): > > Chit! I’m tempted to make my own. Techinically you do make your own. 😃 Hey I think this is a good ideal. I would buy them from you. We may get them quicker to LOL The wait is really killing me. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 3:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/45 "2009-02-21T03:25:32Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > I just totally geeked myself out… LOL! 😃 > > The third is finding a supplier for BHT to retard oxidation once the cops are resuspended in something other than ethanol. BHT might be the real problem… something to retard oxidation, I think is a must for fatty acids if they are going to be stored for any length of time. Well, hell… I just found a supplier that will provide 125 grams for $28.00. And I’d need to use only a very, very tiny amount of this. > > Diane For smaller quantities of BHT try Lotioncrafter: [Premium ingredients at less than premium prices… Lotioncrafter :: Antioxidants :: BHT FCC](http://www.lotioncrafter.com/store/BHT-FCC-pr-16517.html) ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/46 "2009-02-21T03:36:41Z")
> [@Carrie](#): > > For smaller quantities of BHT try Lotioncrafter: > > [Premium ingredients at less than premium prices… Lotioncrafter :: Antioxidants :: BHT FCC](http://www.lotioncrafter.com/store/BHT-FCC-pr-16517.html) You are a gem! Diane ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 3:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/47 "2009-02-21T03:38:38Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Its ok Diane, It happens 🙂 > > Techinically you do make your own. 😃 > > Hey I think this is a good ideal. I would buy them from you. We may get them quicker to LOL > > The wait is really killing me. > > Tisha LOL 😃 Oh, hell, Tisha! If I do decide to do this, I’ll pass them out free to test. Diane ---
**Author:** ![AshesBlue](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ashesblue/32/895_2.png) [@AshesBlue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AshesBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 4:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/48 "2009-02-21T04:25:51Z")
Oh my goodness Diane that sounds so cool, some of it made my eyes glaze over but sounds really exciting. I dont get it, it sounds so “easy” and yet they use all this other crap, backasswards. 😕 And uhh yeah I my healthy vajaja (snort) smells _nothing_ like this stuff, thank God! Oh and I would be a very happy, eager buyer/tester!! Im dyin to know whats taking androtics so long, must be a good reason right? urgh. ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 4:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/49 "2009-02-21T04:36:57Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Techinically you do make your own. 😃 Yep, and they’re easy enough to use. Instructions make me think of that thread from a few months ago where Tisha gave the fellas tips on how to clean their bellybutton: just soap up a finger and pop it in there. 😉 Except, uh, in this case forget the soap. 😛 Seriously, I have, uh, _harvested_ my own for quick use. I have gotten some heavy duty hits. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 4:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/50 "2009-02-21T04:48:11Z")
> [@AshesBlue](#): > > Oh my goodness Diane that sounds so cool, some of it made my eyes glaze over but sounds really exciting. > I dont get it, it sounds so “easy” and yet they use all this other crap, backasswards. 😕 > > And uhh yeah I my healthy vajaja (snort) smells _nothing_ like this stuff, thank God! > > Oh and I would be a very happy, eager buyer/tester!! > > Im dyin to know whats taking androtics so long, must be a good reason right? urgh. Well, Michael Storer is a top of the line perfumer and there is no doubt about that. I’m sure he wants something that smells good, and still smells like the real thing. He’s going for a complex mixture that takes into consideration other smell factors, like fresh sweat and whatnot - not just copulins. I’m sure whatever concoction he comes up with with be a huge success. I’d settle for that simple heady musk smell and the fatty acids. Diane ---
**Author:** ![AshesBlue](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ashesblue/32/895_2.png) [@AshesBlue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AshesBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 4:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/51 "2009-02-21T04:48:52Z")
> [@ariadne](#): > > Yep, and they’re easy enough to use. Instructions make me think of that thread from a few months ago where Tisha gave the fellas tips on how to clean their bellybutton: just soap up a finger and pop it in there. 😉 Except, uh, in this case forget the soap. 😛 > > Seriously, I have, uh, _harvested_ my own for quick use. I have gotten some heavy duty hits. I have to admit Ive done this myself, I mean it sounds logical enough. Whats better than the real thing? Im wondering how much one would need? Not a lot Id hope lol. I didnt really notice much of a response but I guess I need more trials lol. Also Im wondering if it would be better if it was done when one was ovulating since thats when it’s strongest? Not that it’s something Id be doing _all_ the time, seems like something I wouldnt want to do on a regular basis? lol Everyone talks about scent and how not everyone smells the same, based on eating habits, lifestyle, whatever, but obviously there must be something we all have in common. A base that is not affected by any of the unique scents. So then how much does it matter in trying to create the scent if everyone can smell differently? That part really confuses me. ---
**Author:** ![AshesBlue](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ashesblue/32/895_2.png) [@AshesBlue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AshesBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 4:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/52 "2009-02-21T04:57:50Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Well, Michael Storer is a top of the line perfumer and there is no doubt about that. I’m sure he wants something that smells good, and still smells like the real thing. He’s going for a complex mixture that takes into consideration other smell factors, like fresh sweat and whatnot - not just copulins. I’m sure whatever concoction he comes up with with be a huge success. > > I’d settle for that simple heady musk smell and the fatty acids. > > Diane Im hoping it has a “feminine” smell (not the cops but the perfume/cover lol, cuz obviously the cops would have a feminine scent haha). I really dont like that neroli smell, it just smells too masculine for me. ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 6:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/53 "2009-02-21T06:08:10Z")
> [@AshesBlue](#): > > Im hoping it has a “feminine” smell (not the cops but the perfume/cover lol, cuz obviously the cops would have a feminine scent haha). I really dont like that neroli smell, it just smells too masculine for me. I’d rather just deal with the cops smell without any added scent on top of it. ---
**Author:** ![AshesBlue](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ashesblue/32/895_2.png) [@AshesBlue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AshesBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 6:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/54 "2009-02-21T06:13:49Z")
> [@ariadne](#): > > I’d rather just deal with the cops smell without any added scent on top of it. Well yeah so you can mix it w/what you want, but Diane mentioned them wanting it to smell good. Hopefully there will be an “unscented” option, err no cover up smell. ---
**Author:** ![remmy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/remmy/32/2451_2.png) [@remmy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/remmy)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 6:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/55 "2009-02-21T06:36:45Z")
> [@ariadne](#): > > I’d rather just deal with the cops smell without any added scent on top of it. me too 🙂 and uh.. not to add onto the whole eow toxic scare, but i do get a really bad rash whenever i put it on.. it goes away in about 30 min tho, i thought it was from the acidic formula ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Sharon333](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharon333/32/865_2.png) [@Sharon333](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sharon333)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 7:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/56 "2009-02-21T07:22:10Z")
OK, I borrowed a vile of carrier oil DPG from Lin a friend of mine, she’s really into making custom blended perfume oils and she has smelled EOW before and when she looked at and smelled my bottle she said that it was diluted down way to much, she said the last time she mixed a batch for someone it smelled really strong. Nothing like mine.. So, I took the DPG home and mixed a small sample batch and let it mellow in the vile for a few hours. Then I applied sample mix to left wrist. Then applied strait EOW to my right wrist, to compare the scent. OK results, after 20 min. the sample mix has lost most of the apple peel scent and what is left is a small hint of Tang, its there but its not strong… Strait Eow, NO Scent The oil does give EOW some staying power and allows it to cling to my skin, so I’m getting a 1oz bottle of oil from Lin to make a stronger mix. And placing my order for some IS/b, IS/A to go, and IO/x2 to go What else contains a good amount of cops? _Sharon_ ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/57 "2009-02-21T15:56:34Z")
> [@ariadne](#): > > Yep, and they’re easy enough to use. Instructions make me think of that thread from a few months ago where Tisha gave the fellas tips on how to clean their bellybutton: just soap up a finger and pop it in there. 😉 Except, uh, in this case forget the soap. 😛 > > Seriously, I have, uh, _harvested_ my own for quick use. I have gotten some heavy duty hits. I believe that you will find the effectiveness of this method varies with your cycle, being most effective during your fertile periods. Try documenting it and see. The advantage of a bottled chemical is the composition is constant. Of course, I suppose you could bottle your own, but that might be a lot of work … ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/58 "2009-02-21T17:05:28Z")
> [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](#): > > I believe that you will find the effectiveness of this method varies with your cycle, being most effective during your fertile periods. Try documenting it and see. Yep. I’ve posted about this before. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/59 "2009-02-21T17:13:34Z")
> [@AshesBlue](#): > > Well yeah so you can mix it w/what you want, but Diane mentioned them wanting it to smell good. > Hopefully there will be an “unscented” option, err no cover up smell. I talked to Michael about this issue a while back. He said at that time that he was working on a copulins formula, and he specifically said what he was working on did not contain other [pheromones](https://a314.com/), like Androstenol or Androstenone. That doesn’t mean Androtics won’t make mixes with it, like before. But considering the overwhelming desire for pure cops expressed by the women on this forum, and Androtic’s penchant for giving us what we want (thanks for spoiling us, Mom!) we will probably be able to get Michael’s formulation without cover scent. But this was just posted by Jasmin in the Store section of the forum regarding her communications with Michael: > [@](#): > > Dearest Jasmin, > > I’m sure you must have been thinking that I dropped off a cliff or something since I’ve been dead silent forever. Far from the truth. I’ve been working pretty much daily on the copulin project. It’s a bitch, but actually very fun as a challenge. The ingredients I need require quite a learning curve and are far from the ones commonly used in perfumery. They are actually closer to the kind of things flavorists use and that is an even more cryptic and clandestine bunch of people than perfumers! > > I’ve done a lot of research… the little available… and have discussed the subject with a number of perfumers for advice. I think maybe I’m too much of a perfectionist and have been overly reluctant (stubborn?) to tell you I’m ready to make a presentation to you as I’m forever unsatisfied with my attempts. I have more jars of odd things tincturing around here than you can imagine. Even from Chinese herbalists and whatnot. This tells me it is not going to be a simple pure copulins formula. Diane ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282/60 "2009-02-21T17:47:14Z")
> [@remmy](#): > > me too 🙂 > > and uh.. not to add onto the whole eow toxic scare, but i do get a really bad rash whenever i put it on.. it goes away in about 30 min tho, i thought it was from the acidic formula ☹ It probably is just from it being so acidic. Diane [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282.md?page=2) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-bottle-of-eow-it-has-almost-no-smell-at-all/26282.md?page=4)