# new IJ vs TUTH? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 12:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-ij-vs-tuth/49995 "2011-04-22T12:08:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![martyestel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47c2d/32.png) [@martyestel](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/martyestel)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 12:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-ij-vs-tuth/49995/1 "2011-04-22T12:08:20Z")
Rooky here: am I right in thinking that between the “New” (mainly -none, not copulin-based) Instant Jerk, and [Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/), there is not that big of a difference - in formulation and in effect? Also - is IJ a good option for getting initial attention? I don’t usually have so much of a problem closing the deal once I get started, but what I’m looking for here is random stares from strangers, as a cue to striking up a conversation… Thank you so much for your help! (my arsenal: A314, IG, IS, IH, IJ, Ammo, P83) ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 12:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-ij-vs-tuth/49995/2 "2011-04-22T12:48:39Z")
IME there is quite a difference (not least the none content!) and successful use depends very much on individual circumstance. Can you tell us what your plans are for using the product and the other basic info about yourself so we can maybe offer better advice? In fact, you might be best to post a thread in the intro/new user forum and earn yourself a gift certificate while you are at it: [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![martyestel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47c2d/32.png) [@martyestel](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/martyestel)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 2:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-ij-vs-tuth/49995/3 "2011-04-22T14:11:14Z")
Thank you, Mobocaster! About me: male, mid-30s, office-type job, relatively senior manager, generally respected I think but a little introverted. Intended use: spend quality time with attractive women my own age or a little younger. Any guidance gratefully appreciated. Also, could you please expand on your comment about the difference in none content? Thanks!!! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 3:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-ij-vs-tuth/49995/4 "2011-04-22T15:02:32Z")
Well, TUTH is a product more designed to enhance sex in an existing relationship. Its not really a social/attraction mix and can easily come off as appearing overly horny and offputting - Particularly with younger women. However, it can be quite effective in powerful/high-status mixes with the likes of A314 and I have used it in conjunction with MX297 to great effect, usually by applying it after 297’s social/attractive properties have taken hold (typically 2-3 hrs) and I’m well-on with closeness/kino etc. It precipitates the “lets get out of here” moment - Mainly with women from their mid 30s to around my own age. IJ is is different again and has by far the highest none of all the consumer line - about 15/18mcg per spray OTOH, as opposed to around 5mcg for TUTH. Again, this makes it a very high-impact, confident and in your face product but you do need to act congruent with it and that can get very polarised reactions form folk around you. Even more so in folk you know. It can cause rejection and agression as easily as it can trigger attraction. If you are looking at fun/social with a sexual edge, it may be better to look at the likes of Ammo - a balanced social/sexual formula with @2.5mcg none in standard, 5mcg in heavy, on its own or steered by one or other of the socials - Instant Shine (happy/good to be around), Instant Openness (flowing conversation), Instant Honesty (close/bonding) or [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) (suave/status). Which are all far more suitable for most general socialising. I’d still keep a togo of TUTH in my pocket though, just in case things get hotter. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bisso30](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@bisso30](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bisso30)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 11:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-ij-vs-tuth/49995/5 "2011-04-22T23:21:23Z")
I much prefer TUTH personally… IJ is way too strong for me. You will get strong reactions alright. When I first wore IJ, I became incredibly jumpy and tense. The reactions from others were blatant as well, and surprisingly most of them were positive, even from guys. A girl-friend of mine in particular seemed very…let’s say “ready to go” while talking to her in an elevator. 😃 Wrong place wrong time. I wear TUTH often actually, sometimes even one spray under a social in professional situations, just to add a “kick”. I find it’s not as strong as people make it out to be. What I like to do when going out is one spray of TUTH under one spray of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). I have never worn it by itself though, but I’m pretty sure it’s not a good idea to wear 3 sprays of TUTH without buffering! So, I think TUTH may be the safest alternative for your goal. I’ve experienced strong IOIs in different situations with 1 spray of TUTH + 1 spray of AMMO + 2 sprays of IH. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 7:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-ij-vs-tuth/49995/6 "2011-04-23T07:55:15Z")
Actually the standard Tuth is 2.5 mcg’s of anone unless you upgrade it to the 5mcg which is not recommended for new people According to Jasmin TUTH is not just anone it has around 10 other steering molecules in it as well to push it more toward a sexual vibe. IJ has 3 [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) in it. As described in the store this one helps you see just how powerful mones can be, > [@](#): > > In fact, _we guarantee_ you’ll piss people off, get angrier than usual, and even earn some new enemies. > [@MHarris](#): > > Jerk is high [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) with several intensifiers. Total pheromone content is currently 17.5mcg per spray. 12.5mcg of that is [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) . I would stick with TUTh for now. 😉 Tisha