# NEW member **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [January 18, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-member/44672 "2011-01-18T17:09:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![A\_Cab\_Helmet\_Hut\_Noun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea666f/32.png) [@A\_Cab\_Helmet\_Hut\_Noun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/A_Cab_Helmet_Hut_Noun)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-member/44672/1 "2011-01-18T17:09:48Z")
Hi to everyone. I am a new member. I am a bit embarrassed because I created this account a few days ago, and over the course of some days forgot my password. But after setting a new one and logging in again, I found the new messages in my inbox and felt welcomed and a bit better about the password dilemma. I am pretty young, but for privacy sake I don’t want to reveal my age. Inexperienced to a certain degree with phermunes. I have read some things, but it seems that the hands on experience is what may speak and teach the best. I read a few articles through a google search that said something about phermones from pigs is the same as humans phermones and is very popular choice for male cologne additive. I can’t say it sounds very appealing, but if the girl doesn’t know the difference, than I can consider giving it a try. I don’t usually date around too often, but in light of the way the direction the world has been going, I am considering trying to pick up a few girls here and there. And, maybe phermones can help with that. Overall, I would just like to improve upon what I already have/am and maybe spice things up when I’m on the dates with the lovely girls of my future. Thank you all for your time and hope to see you all here again on this forum community. ---
**Author:** ![vvtv57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vvtv57](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/vvtv57)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-member/44672/2 "2011-01-18T17:52:16Z")
Welcome to the forum You have come to the right place. This community has been so good to me and everyone is so helpful. At a young age, I would suggest you steer away from a314. There are a few members who are below the 18 years old range. Im sure they would chime in if you asked. If you want to improve what you have based on communication with females, instant honesty is the way to go. The conversations are on a much more deeper level. Instant openness for just conversations. For attraction, ammunition is always best but for a young person I am not sure. ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-member/44672/3 "2011-01-18T18:30:34Z")
Hey there and welcome! I dont know about pig [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) personally, all here are created in a lab I believe. For you I would recommend socials. IO and IH are similar but not the same. They both make people a bit more comfortable around you and can promote chattiness. IS gives off a youthful playful fun vibe that people just love to be around. Let us know how things go! ---
**Author:** ![Spinach](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spinach/32/348_2.png) [@Spinach](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spinach)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 12:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-member/44672/4 "2011-01-19T00:41:55Z")
Hey stranger, welcome to the forum. Have you a name? 😉 The pheromones from AD are synthetic, made at a lab, I believe, so don’t worry too much about it. Hmm, as for the pheromones.. What kinda guy are you? Are you naturally chatty or outgoing? Or are you more introverted and want something to initiate conversation? For the picking up girls, I think the members here would recommend IG or Ammo. Please do share your experiences when you get to try them out! I hope to see you around. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![A\_Cab\_Helmet\_Hut\_Noun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea666f/32.png) [@A\_Cab\_Helmet\_Hut\_Noun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/A_Cab_Helmet_Hut_Noun)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-member/44672/5 "2011-01-19T02:16:30Z")
> [@Spinach](#): > > Hey stranger, welcome to the forum. Have you a name? 😉 > The pheromones from AD are synthetic, made at a lab, I believe, so don’t worry too much about it. Hmm, as for the pheromones.. What kinda guy are you? Are you naturally chatty or outgoing? Or are you more introverted and want something to initiate conversation? For the picking up girls, I think the members here would recommend IG or Ammo. Please do share your experiences when you get to try them out! I hope to see you around. 🙂 Hi yes. I am Jamie. I am the type of guy that rolls with the crowd and keeps a low profile. I would like to pick up some girls, and have a nice vibe when I introduce myself. thank you for the welcomes ---
**Author:** ![Spinach](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spinach/32/348_2.png) [@Spinach](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spinach)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-member/44672/6 "2011-01-19T03:46:19Z")
Hiya Jamie. 😃 Hmm, for the ‘nice vibe’ I’m thinking Instant Shine. It’s supposed to be the easiest to use, and is the happy mood-lifter of the Instant products. Maybe you’d be interested in [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) or Honesty? IO will help you and others become chattier and IH is said to pull the conversation deeper, pretty self-explanatory, really. I’m sticking to what I said before for the picking up girls part. Whichever you choose, make sure you test each individually for your ‘sweet spot’! Have fun, and good luck. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 4:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-member/44672/7 "2011-01-19T04:24:10Z")
Hey Jamie, The pheromones here are synthetic, they’re not from actual animals. I believe you might be referring to a google search on Androstenol being in boar saliva. I’ve read that somewhere before. As for a popular male pheromone additive, I would think that would be Androstenone, which is produced by humans. Also, since you said you’re very young, you would probably produce more Androstenone for your age, and if you buy products that would have Androstenone content already, you might not get the same effects. Because of the incomplete information its hard to determine which would be the best product for you. Instant Shine though is a good product that gives you an uplifting and healthy vibe. I call it the smile pheromone cause of what it does for me and others around me. THat’s probably the safest bet next to products like [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Honesty. I can understand your privacy, but I doubt anyone would find you here at the forum and ridicule you. ---
**Author:** ![Spinach](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spinach/32/348_2.png) [@Spinach](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spinach)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 4:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-member/44672/8 "2011-01-19T04:59:58Z")
The thing is, Jamie, your age is set to 25. (Under your name/avatar) I don’t know if this is correct, but you could hide that my going onto your Profile statistics, if you like the privacy. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![A\_Cab\_Helmet\_Hut\_Noun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea666f/32.png) [@A\_Cab\_Helmet\_Hut\_Noun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/A_Cab_Helmet_Hut_Noun)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-member/44672/9 "2011-01-19T16:01:05Z")
I don’t know what all this means or what is actually true, but this is from an article I read aboit phermone androstenone" " \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*is not produced by the human body, excreted by the human body, or used as a neuro-steroid by the human brain. \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*serves as a mating pheromone in pigs and elephants and related mammals, where it is produced in the gonads of those animals and excreted during mating season._Androstenone **is of enormous concern to the hog industry because production of even the tiniest amount of Androstenone (known as boar taint) in the maturing male pig makes the meat unfit for human consumption. They do use** Androstenone_ \*\*in spray form, however, to induce a sow in heat to arch her back, which makes artificial insemination easier. Of course, they spray it in front of the sow’s nose – not on themselves! \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*is also a bacterial by-product of the break down of human pheromones in sweat by skin bacteria over time when the sweat is allowed to sour. This is a main cause of malodor in old sweat. Although there have been numerous studies of \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*exposure with humans, there is no research literature that supports the belief that this is a human pheromone, or that supports the claims that it is a human female sexual attractant. At least one study done in the 1980’s showed that \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*is a female _repellent_! (4) The available research data strongly suggests that this non-human steroid molecule affects the trigeminal nerve pathways in humans(5) and can be a trigeminal nerve irritant. (6)(7) (The trigeminal nerve evolved as part of the body’s warning system, sensing potentially noxious and painful stimuli.) There are many anecdotal reports of OD-type reactions to \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*including anxiety, negative emotional reactions, painful muscle spasms, irritability, anger, and avoidance and rejection from others when exposed to a certain level of the steroid – in some cases when exposed to even a small amount of this steroid. These anecdotal reports seem to support the scientific research emerging in human studies. If you are interested in these anecdotal reports any web search of _Androstenone OD (overdose)_, \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*_irritability_, \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*_rage_, or \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*_anger_ will yield many examples of the same. Over 70% of women find the odor of _Androstenone **repulsive. (8) During ovulation women tend to lose the ability to smell** Androstenone_ \*\*, (9) and become less repelled by the substance at this time. Many producers of [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) who use this steroid make the claim that this is proof that it is a human female sexual attractant pheromone. However, since the periodic loss of ability to smell a substance and the periodic loss of repellent activity for a substance does not logically or automatically equate with being attracted to that substance, \*and considering the emerging evidence of trigeminal nerve irritation in humans caused by \*\*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*, we do not find this to be a compelling argument, whatsoever, that \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*is effective as a sexual attractant even during ovulation. We have found no evidence in our beta testing or in our extensive reviews of the available scientific literature to suggest that _any human_-_derived_ pheromone causes irritability, anger, rage, painful muscle spasm, avoidance and rejection by others, or any of the other negative effects repeatedly associated with \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*use. > [@P51Mustang](#): > > Hey Jamie, > > The pheromones here are synthetic, they’re not from actual animals. I believe you might be referring to a google search on Androstenol being in boar saliva. I’ve read that somewhere before. > > As for a popular male pheromone additive, I would think that would be Androstenone, which is produced by humans. > > Also, since you said you’re very young, you would probably produce more Androstenone for your age, and if you buy products that would have Androstenone content already, you might not get the same effects. Because of the incomplete information its hard to determine which would be the best product for you. > > Instant Shine though is a good product that gives you an uplifting and healthy vibe. I call it the smile pheromone cause of what it does for me and others around me. THat’s probably the safest bet next to products like Instant Openness and Instant Honesty. > > I can understand your privacy, but I doubt anyone would find you here at the forum and ridicule you. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-member/44672/10 "2011-01-19T16:42:49Z")
> [@A\_Cab\_Helmet\_Hut\_Noun](#): > > I don’t know what all this means or what is actually true, but this is from an article I read aboit phermone androstenone" > > " \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*is not produced by the human body, excreted by the human body, or > used as a neuro-steroid by the human brain. > > \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*serves as a mating pheromone in pigs and elephants and related > mammals, where it is produced in the gonads of those animals and excreted during > mating season._Androstenone **is of enormous concern to the hog industry because > production of even the tiniest amount of Androstenone (known as boar taint) in the > maturing male pig makes the meat unfit for human consumption. They do use** > Androstenone_ \*\*in spray form, however, to induce a sow in heat to arch her back, which > makes artificial insemination easier. Of course, they spray it in front of the sow’s nose > – not on themselves! > > \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*is also a bacterial by-product of the break down of human pheromones in sweat by skin bacteria over time when the sweat is allowed to sour. This is a main cause of malodor in old sweat. > > Although there have been numerous studies of \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*exposure with humans, there is no research literature that supports the belief that this is a human pheromone, or that supports the claims that it is a human female sexual attractant. At least one study done in the 1980’s showed that \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*is a female _repellent_! (4) > > The available research data strongly suggests that this non-human steroid molecule affects the trigeminal nerve pathways in humans(5) and can be a trigeminal nerve irritant. (6)(7) (The trigeminal nerve evolved as part of the body’s warning system, sensing potentially noxious and painful stimuli.) > > There are many anecdotal reports of OD-type reactions to \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*including anxiety, negative emotional reactions, painful muscle spasms, irritability, anger, and avoidance and rejection from others when exposed to a certain level of the steroid – in some cases when exposed to even a small amount of this steroid. These anecdotal reports seem to support the scientific research emerging in human studies. If you are interested in these anecdotal reports any web search of _Androstenone OD (overdose)_, \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*_irritability_, \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*_rage_, or \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*_anger_ will yield many examples of the same. > > Over 70% of women find the odor of _Androstenone **repulsive. (8) During ovulation women tend to lose the ability to smell** Androstenone_ \*\*, (9) and become less repelled by the substance at this time. Many producers of pheromone products who use this steroid make the claim that this is proof that it is a human female sexual attractant pheromone. > > However, since the periodic loss of ability to smell a substance and the periodic loss of repellent activity for a substance does not logically or automatically equate with being attracted to that substance, \*and considering the emerging evidence of trigeminal nerve irritation in humans caused by \*\*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*, we do not find this to be a compelling argument, whatsoever, that \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*is effective as a sexual attractant even during ovulation. > > We have found no evidence in our beta testing or in our extensive reviews of the available scientific literature to suggest that _any human_-_derived_ pheromone causes irritability, anger, rage, painful muscle spasm, avoidance and rejection by others, or any of the other negative effects repeatedly associated with \*\*_Androstenone_ \*\*use. I can tell you that Androstenone works, I’ve read enough empirical evidence and tested this out myself to know that it works for attraction. That study, for me, and a lot of others around here based on reports, aren’t completely accurate. I can tell you though however, that Androstenone is polar and you can notice the negative effects of it when used incorrectly. I.E. if a woman is on PMS, DO NOT use it around her, the main reported pheromone for this purpose is Androstadienone, which is found in underarm sweat in humans. It helps relax. Also during ovulation, Androstenone can help you out as well. It also depends on your own production, which is harder to figure out and it is more an art of trial and error than science. I noticed I needed more of it when I was going to the gym less and wasn’t taking care of myself and was more stressed out. I’ve also found when I was in some of the best shape, I needed a lot less of it at that time. I’ve found sweet spots and buffers in the almost year that I’ve been using pheromones. My suggestion is to start with AMMO and start experimenting and finding your sweet spots and you can find what works and what doesnt. I couldn’t handle TUTH for a while until I found the right application for it, IJ which has about 6x more Androstenone in it worked better for me. Again trial and error and open minded testing. I stopped reading and basing my experiences on reports months ago. All I really care about is how it affects me, cause I’m the one that’s going to be benefiting from it. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 2:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-member/44672/11 "2011-01-20T14:46:39Z")
All AD products are synthesized in a lab…no animal products or cadaver extracts…save for A314 which has Deer musk from what I hear recently. In a nutshell here’s what the basic mones do. Alpha Androstenol Light, fun chatty and social…good party product and very approachable Beta Androstenol, more serious, connection, rapport, trust and comfort. Androstenone communicates youth, strength, health and fitness, virility and aggression. A mixed bag really, the right dose under the right conditions and it’s very sexy and attractive, too much or used at an inappropriate time and you come off as being aggressive or intimidating. Rone, also healthy but more mature, considering evolutionary biology maturity=status so it’s the base for mixes designed for creating an “alpha male” type of vibe. Now, there is no such thing as an Axe Effect so don’t expect to spray and pray and have women throw themselves at you. My common analogy is that these mones send a message…like wearing a sign over your head telling people “Hi I am (this type of guy)” and it’s a sign they will believe…until your action or lack of action convinces them otherwise at which point they’ll simply dismiss the first impression as “oh well I guess I had him figured all wrong” So you can’t be too shy while wearing them. ---
**Author:** ![A\_Cab\_Helmet\_Hut\_Noun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea666f/32.png) [@A\_Cab\_Helmet\_Hut\_Noun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/A_Cab_Helmet_Hut_Noun)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 4:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-member/44672/12 "2011-01-20T16:14:51Z")
Cool. If it is that simple though, how come there are so many forums and message threads trying to figure out the phermones and so many user reports? > [@RADMAN513](#): > > All AD products are synthesized in a lab…no animal products or cadaver extracts…save for A314 which has Deer musk from what I hear recently. > > In a nutshell here’s what the basic mones do. > > Alpha Androstenol Light, fun chatty and social…good party product and very approachable > Beta Androstenol, more serious, connection, rapport, trust and comfort. > Androstenone communicates youth, strength, health and fitness, virility and aggression. A mixed bag really, the right dose under the right conditions and it’s very sexy and attractive, too much or used at an inappropriate time and you come off as being aggressive or intimidating. > Rone, also healthy but more mature, considering evolutionary biology maturity=status so it’s the base for mixes designed for creating an “alpha male” type of vibe. > > Now, there is no such thing as an Axe Effect so don’t expect to spray and pray and have women throw themselves at you. My common analogy is that these mones send a message…like wearing a sign over your head telling people “Hi I am (this type of guy)” and it’s a sign they will believe…until your action or lack of action convinces them otherwise at which point they’ll simply dismiss the first impression as “oh well I guess I had him figured all wrong” > So you can’t be too shy while wearing them. ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 8:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-member/44672/13 "2011-01-20T20:55:12Z")
Welcome to Pherotalk A cab! I got that you received different meaning for your search on androstenone. Just like with everything you will find a good amount of information so it’s up to you to decipher between what is true and what isn’t. The products we sell here are human synthesized pheromones. Just like humans of course animals produce pheromone naturally so it wouldn’t be surprising that some of the pheromones we have are similar to them. It does not mean that the mones sold on the markets get their stuff from pigs or other animals. With that said your age is not a bad age to test out one or two of our sexual products like ammo or ig but I love to start new members with the socials because whether you want to pick up girls or get closer to your girl.wife it’s all about communication. Let us know what you decided on and how well it worked out for you. Your gc was issued! 😃