# New Product Launch: RAW Power - 39.97 - Goodbye Primal! **URL:** \ **Category:** Store Announcements & Feedback\ **Created:** [October 21, 2005, 2:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38 "2005-10-21T02:14:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 5:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/21 "2005-11-03T17:49:45Z")
I like a APC in oil because I’m wearing it for it’s scent and I want it to last a long time. I was thinking you could make a debuged good Anone and Anol combination product that would work great with AA314. i would imagine I would get the same effects without the 1 part extra Arone AE has when combined with AA314. In my opinion the key to making a good [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) is making the scent very mild, because most users want to use their cologne on top of the pheromone product. I think you run into more issues when you try to make a strong scented pheromone product, because if the customer doesn’t like the scent, but likes the pheromones its going to be hard to cover. Maybe if you could make a product with similar ratios to AE, but without the Arone..that would be great. I know you probably know, but I am unsure what the optimal dosage for Anol is. You could make the Anone portion come out to be 5mcg per drop and Anol dosage would be up to your better knowledge. I think this would be a good product to market to increase the sexual and social hits with AA314…maybe make the dispersal rate of the Anone and ANol product a little higher than AA314. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 8:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/22 "2005-11-03T20:11:41Z")
> [@Cloud9](#): > > I like a APC in oil because I’m wearing it for it’s scent and I want it to last a long time. I was thinking you could make a debuged good Anone and Anol combination product that would work great with AA314. i would imagine I would get the same effects without the 1 part extra Arone AE has when combined with AA314. In my opinion the key to making a good pheromone product is making the scent very mild, because most users want to use their cologne on top of the pheromone product. I think you run into more issues when you try to make a strong scented pheromone product, because if the customer doesn’t like the scent, but likes the pheromones its going to be hard to cover. Maybe if you could make a product with similar ratios to AE, but without the Arone..that would be great. I know you probably know, but I am unsure what the optimal dosage for Anol is. You could make the Anone portion come out to be 5mcg per drop and Anol dosage would be up to your better knowledge. I think this would be a good product to market to increase the sexual and social hits with AA314…maybe make the dispersal rate of the Anone and ANol product a little higher than AA314. Thanks for your feedback. The ideal none to nol ratio is very age and, well… person… independent. I don’t know if I could make an ideal none:nol, except for the 50something crowd. That’s because over 50, I have more of a clean pallette to work with. Hormone levels have dropped, and so have pheromones. In fact, over 70 is a real cinch - they have almost no pheromonal output whatsoever. Under 50, you’re competing very heavily with a person’s natural pheromone signature. You have a widely varying pallette, depending upon personal health, bodyweight, exercise, diet, genetics (blood type), all kinds of factors. The new series I have, though, is all one primary pheromone as heart effect, tweaked.. sort of like the very beginning of the A314 mix, before it was A314 revision 11, or whatever we’re up to now. So Turn Up The Heat has _about_ 5mcg none per spray, Openness almost 20mcg anol per spray (this isn’t finalized, it may just as well be 10 or 15), etc. All dosed, all modular, all completely tailorable and customizable around what you want… You can totally customize the effects that way, and get exactl what you need with consistency, without question, without fail. You can roll your own pheromonal persona differently every day and night, if you want. The complete A314 success bundle has 7 bottles (a314 + 6 others), and, aside from ExperiMone, is the first modular pheromone system in the world. (don’t tell anybody about this publicly until it’s released in a week or two, please - keep it to email, or this forum) It’s all part of the new SmartPheromone system, and I won’t have to worry about committing certain ratios to a bottle, until “magic ratios” for the masses are actually found by me or the others… there’s a couple of “magical ratios”, yes, but there’s many exceptions that break every rule. Even the “magic ratios” I fought hard to create in A314 aren’t ideal for everybody. That’s why A314 was designed to be used with none and nol, seperately, as required. “Season to taste” - keep that phrase in mind. Not everyone likes the same amount of salt, butter, or pepper. Same with pheromones, except that there’s reasons that go beyond mere taste. It will only be the mass market products, like Ammunition, where I’ll go out of a limb with mixes that test well. Even then, I want to keep them simple, and as broadly compatible as possible. There’s a few caveats with scenting and/or not: 1. Some pheromones have an odor to others… quite a bit of an odor. It’s good to mask this. Either you end up with something reeking of pheromones to some people (and they do bother the occasional user quite a bit, I’ll show you an email we just got about UNSCENTED A314), or you end up with a light added scent. There’s no truly ‘scent free’ pheromones out there. “Unscented” still has a scent 1. There’s legal issues to not adding scent to some pheromones 2. There’s OTHER legal issues to ADDING scent to some pheromones (yes, the reverse situation of 2! So, no, you can’t have some pheromones in the same bottle, period) 3. Prescented product works vastly better than unscented due to diffusion issues, and no, simply spraying your cologne over it doesn’t work as well. That’s like trying to make coffee or tea in your mouth. Now you understand. 1. Commercial FOs (fragrance oils) work better than EOs (essential oils) for distance effects 2. EOs work better than FOs for generating additional, organic, pheromone like effects. The benefits you get from using essential oils are many. If you’re going to be really close to someone, you can’t beat the magic that the addition of select EOs provide Those are all design issues I face. Initially, I think I’m going to have an option you can get when ordering… so you can order unscented, or have a choice betwen a couple scents… one option will the EO, which will add it’s own magic. I’ll tell people in the description the up and downsides to each. After I get many versions out there - unscented, EOs added, FOs added – I’ll see what people like, and drop the losers so we can have these fulfilled more easily by an outside company (you get better shipping that way). Outside shippers can’t deal with massive #s of product variations well. Also, most resellers seem to prefer simplified product over customizable product. It would be a major chore for a reseller to stock 3-10 variations of a single product. There’s not many good resellers out there, but I still keep the few that are in mind. Only if people really dig being able to get exactly what they want when ordering, will I retain that capability. I’ll then be forced into a position to start a full service fulfillment warehouse myself, so you can retain the customization capability. I simply don’t have enough staff or warehouse space to do that now. I’d prefer not to have the management and service hassles, as well, but oh well.. I will be responsive to customer needs. I’ve would’ve preferred being a manufacturer only with active resellers (so we can focus on R&D over marketing), but if enough people want customization services, then they’ll get it. (we could always offer dropshipping services to your favorite retailers to handle the customization issues, too, I suppose) Either way, you’ll be getting more of what you want that ever, with very cleverly designed product that I wish was available back when I experimented with pheromones. Thanks your feedback! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 2:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/23 "2005-11-08T02:01:49Z")
very informative and interesting read. wish i could add something other than that i think i learned more about pheromones reading this thread than i have in the 5 years since i tried athena10x for men. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2005, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/24 "2005-11-09T01:47:21Z")
> [@josef](#): > > very informative and interesting read. wish i could add something other than that i think i learned more about pheromones reading this thread than i have in the 5 years since i tried athena10x for men. Mind you, Athena, by Winifred Cutler, has provided results for some people when used in large amounts. I know part of the formula - it’s exceptional, and it contains far more than DHEA which some wrongly claim. What she has stated in public isn’t the full truth, and I can’t blame her for not revealing her entire formula. Her grasp of chemistry obviously vastly exceeds that of most her naysayers. Both her and Dr. Dodd’s products were the most complex to date, until we came around. We truly stand upon the shoulders of these geniuses that came before. Winifred, in fact, is still active. There’s a chance she could release a product that will blow us all away. I’ve been working fast, comparatively, but she still has far many more years of experience, and a much more traditional science background. My background is more industry related and more experiential. Actually, with differing backgrounds, we’d make a killer mix together. _Hmmmmm._ (Idea!) Anyway, thanks so much for your comments. I’m glad you’re learning. I hope to make exceptional [pheromone technology](https://pheromonelabs.com/) easy and accessible for you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2005, 2:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/25 "2005-11-09T02:04:55Z")
when i first purchased the athena product, i’m sure i was swayed by the ad copy more than the product itself. when the mail came i opened the package immediately and with trembling hands filled the blue mixer bottle with athena and some polo cologne and assumed at that point that there would be a line of women waiting for my attention. looking back i had no clue about the smaller, more subtle reactions to expect, so i have a grand total of 0 hit reports from my use of that product, though i did try a second bottle. i could have been on the receiving end of massive amounts of female reaction because of that product but i’d never know it based on what i was led to believe from the advertising. ok, i’m a schmuck. at least i’m a successful and good looking schmuck who is really only looking for that constant one-upmanship feeling on a regular basis. i guess i just like knowing things that other people don’t, and pheromones have the potential to be one of those things, imo. ---
**Author:** ![SwingerMD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SwingerMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SwingerMD)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/26 "2006-02-13T03:53:15Z")
Hiya, Interesting discussion that y’all having here. Just came over from LS in search of new [experimental pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/experimental-pheromones/) (Methoxyestratetraenone). This RAW stuff sounds very interesting. The first phero product that I used was PI/m a few years back. I’m glad that I started experimenting with this stuff outside of work. After the rxns that I got, I never have used PI in office settings unless mixed with SOE. I’m very curious how RAW stacks up against PI, NPA/m, and Rogue Male. Even between PI and RM, I’ve have found that rxns to be different. Anyhow, this talk of getting precise dosage with Androtics’ products has me interested. There are times when mixing pheros felt like a crap shoot, even with the same products. -SwingerMD ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/27 "2006-02-13T03:57:58Z")
I completely ran away from LS after there bad forum practices of censorship and the 3+ years I did business with them. I like the idea of having dosed products, which is something only Androtics has. I have recently moved completely to only androtics products, because I can make the same mixes of products I once used and get the same effects each time since it’s all dosed. No more “crap shoots”. ---
**Author:** ![SwingerMD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SwingerMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SwingerMD)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 4:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/28 "2006-02-13T04:31:13Z")
Cloud9, For the past few years I’ve only occasionally visited LS whenever I heard rumors of new products coming down the pipeline. It seems that I have “hit the jackpot” in terms of that here. Even though I do miss some of my friends and it is a bummer to not be able to talk of products that are not available on LS, the discussions on pheromones were getting derailed due to “forum politics”. Anyhow I’m hoping to test out MeOs, CTTM2, and IS when I get a hold of them in a few days. RAW might be the next thing I’d like to play around with. I still do like SOE, RM, NPA, and a few other non-andronics out there. -SwingerMD ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 5:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/29 "2006-02-13T05:38:43Z")
Yeah, it seems BruceB allows his moderators to rule the forums as they wish because they work for free, so he never likes to interfere. have u tried A314 yet?..that works really well all by itself, but it also works well as a base for your mixes.. If you are thinking about RAW POWER you should also consider “Dirty”, which is the same 10mcg of Anone per drop as Power, but with female copulins…Also Instant Jerk is in the high Anone category…like Dirty it is has copulins, but is 15mcg Anone per spray. Recent studies have found that 20mcg of Anone is the maximum optimal dosage..“the ceiling”. - Here is a list of purely Anone products..Dirty and Instant Jerk have copulins. “Micronone”= 1mcg per spray(experimone line) “Turn up The Heat”= 5mcg per spray “RAW POWER”= 10mcg per drop “Dirty”= 10mcg per drop w/copulins “Instant Jerk”= 15mcg per spray w/copulins [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) is like “icing on the cake” to any mix you have..mix enhancer and works as standalone. CTTM 2 is a combonation of alpha and beta-nol The problems with Rogue male and SOE is that they aren’t nearly as diffusive as the sprays. I noticed this with AE..it seems to kind effect a very small radius and not work that well, because it doesn’t get enough pheromones out into the air around you. ---
**Author:** ![SwingerMD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SwingerMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SwingerMD)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 9:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/30 "2006-02-13T09:35:25Z")
Cloud9, I do have A314. Haven’t been using that too much since the first few times that I have tried it, I didn’t notice anything (been pretty busy as well so I went back to my tried and true favs.). After reading things here, I have decided to try it a bit more. In fact I used four drops along with six drops of the mix called JB#1. I actually had a very fun night dancing to say the least 😃 . Thanks for the info on the various -none products here. I actually get a pretty wide radius of effect with Rogue Male (I believe it’s alcohol based.) For PI/m, I get a pretty small radius. Being a dancer, it’s really not all that hard for me to get a girl into my arms 😉 . The main differences that I have noticed (for me) with PI/m vs. RM is that PI/m is like a big rusty buzzsaw compared to the katana that is RM. I’ve found that women who react well to PI/m with react negtively when I have on RM and vice versa. I can’t wait till I start playing around and see how people react to the anone products here. -SwingerMD ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 10:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/31 "2006-02-13T10:03:48Z")
> [@SwingerMD](#): > > Anyhow, this talk of getting precise dosage with Androtics’ products has me interested. There are times when mixing pheros felt like a crap shoot, even with the same products. > > -SwingerMD hi, hello and welcome. i think they are on to something with these spray bottle doses. not only is it easier for me to say “i used 50mcg of alpha nol in that combo”, it is much easier to read than “i used 12 inches” 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/32 "2006-02-13T15:50:03Z")
Welcome to the forum! > [@SwingerMD](#): > > Hiya, > > Interesting discussion that y’all having here. Just came over from LS in search of new experimental pheromones (Methoxyestratetraenone). This RAW stuff sounds very interesting. > > The first phero product that I used was PI/m a few years back. I’m glad that I started experimenting with this stuff outside of work. After the rxns that I got, I never have used PI in office settings unless mixed with SOE. I’m very curious how RAW stacks up against PI, NPA/m, and Rogue Male. Even between PI and RM, I’ve have found that rxns to be different. Well, you get 10mcg of -none per drop, with up to a 5% margin of error (if you work out the numbers, this really isn’t so bad - you’re talking 9.5mcg to 10.5mcg per drop). It’s a little more diffusive that some oil products you may have used. I do add some diffusion enhancers, to ensure a “cleaner, fuller burn” of the androstenone. I’ll get into -none diffusion issues in a moment. > [@](#): > > Anyhow, this talk of getting precise dosage with Androtics’ products has me interested. There are times when mixing pheros felt like a crap shoot, even with the same products. While I have great respect for some companies such as LaCroy, I’m not sure some other companies have that much QC over their batch strength. When I was a mere enthusiast and used other brands regularly, I’d get inconsistencies between different batches of the same product that were difficult to understand. One bottle might “work some magic” for me, and the next wouldn’t. It was unusual. We solve the batch inconsistency problem with something old fashioned called: anal retentiveness. 😉 You’d be surprised how far old fashioned concepts like this take you in the quality control department. As far as pheromones go, which are so dose sensitive, you’d swear that being circumspect was some kind of magic. It really helps a ton. Anyway, while being profoundly concerned about quality, and creating the dosed concept are a great next step to creating a bonafide pheromone technlogy… in some ways, you can’t completely remove the “crap shoot” feel with at least one pheromone. Yes, most [pheromone molecules](https://pheromonelabs.com/) you can whip into shape, and create something reliable with. It’s mostly androstenone that’s still relucant. Not only do some people come off as overbearing and obvious when wearing androstenone, but the molecule itself is difficult to work with. You can’t accuse androstenone of being two faced! You know how superglue just loves your skin more than anything else on earth? Androstenone is very similar. It has a high “affinity” for the skin, and hangs onto you like spiderman. It doesn’t like jumping ship from your skin to the air around you (diffusing). You could say that androstenone loves to “hang out” and hates to go. The idea of “buildup” is very real with androstenone, both in terms of what happens on your skin… and under, when some of the -none absorbs. It can literally sit around happily on your skin for 3 days or more without completing diffusing. We already have some additives from the fragrance industry that help with diffusion, both in our oil and spray line, but I think there’s still aways to go with -none. Ultimately, I hope to hire a chemical physicist that can work out the androstenone diffusion problem better. Until then, that’s another reason why dosing is extra critical. It’s not a perfect solution, but with dosing, you can at least get a sense for and work WITH your buildup… your own ebb and flow of androstenone. If you wear 15mcg of -none one day, it’s likely you may need only (as an example) 10mcg the next, depending upon what your body chemistry does to the -none. The third day, you may need only 5mcg. Fourth day, you take a break. It helps a great deal if you learn to smell androstenone (most people can learn). That way you can better determine how long it literally “sticks around”, and how much you need for the effects you want. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 4:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/33 "2006-02-13T16:08:27Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > If you wear 15mcg of -none one day, it’s likely you may need only (as an example) 10mcg the next, depending upon what your body chemistry does to the -none. The third day, you may need only 5mcg. Fourth day, you take a break. interesting. i’ve modified my -none use by breaking it in over a period of time rather than one use, for example, if i was going to use say 15mcg of -none today i would probably break it up into two separate applications throughout the day ( 5mcg in the morning and 10 sometime after lunch)and usually covered with some of that neroli -nol or else i use A314 first and then drop or spray some -none on top of that. i didn’t realize the extent to which it “clings”. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 4:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/34 "2006-02-13T16:09:19Z")
> [@SwingerMD](#): > > Cloud9, > > I do have A314. Haven’t been using that too much since the first few times that I have tried it, I didn’t notice anything (been pretty busy as well so I went back to my tried and true favs.). After reading things here, I have decided to try it a bit more. In fact I used four drops along with six drops of the mix called JB#1. I actually had a very fun night dancing to say the least 😃 . Depends on your personal social preferences and style if A314 is right for you. Your screenname itself implies that you want something a little… _hotter_. A314 and many of our early products were developed via a paid testing program that consisted mostly of 9 to 5ers. You can tell, because most improve daily life, and work well in the work environment, but aren’t necessarily what a lethario would use. I have started to work on “kinkier” stuff recently, though, so there’ll be some goodies “in the pipeline” for you. 🙂 Until then, it’s easier than ever to troll oll your own own mixes with how we’ve setup the Instant pheromone and ExperiMone lines. > [@SwingerMD](#): > > Thanks for the info on the various -none products here. I actually get a pretty wide radius of effect with Rogue Male (I believe it’s alcohol based.) For PI/m, I get a pretty small radius. It’s not just alcohol vs. dpg vs. silicone vs. plastic carriers or whatever, it’s also how thin the layer of androstenone molecules is, and how large and warm the substrate is you diffuse from (in most cases, that’d be your skin). Since androstenone hates to diffuse, you get a much cleaner “burn” if you spread it far and wide on warm, exposed skin. A thin layer of evenly heated molecules disperses into the air much better than a thick layer of concentrated -none molecules stacked on top of each other. It’s like… what heats up and boils off faster, a thick layer of water in a narrow but tall pan, or a thin layer of water in a wide short pan? Thinking about that will answer many of your questions about -none right there. > [@SwingerMD](#): > > Being a dancer, it’s really not all that hard for me to get a girl into my arms 😉 . The main differences that I have noticed (for me) with PI/m vs. RM is that PI/m is like a big rusty buzzsaw compared to the katana that is RM. I’ve found that women who react well to PI/m with react negtively when I have on RM and vice versa. I can’t wait till I start playing around and see how people react to the anone products here. > > -SwingerMD Oooh, dancing with girls in your arms. Now that’s the best way to “test”! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 4:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/35 "2006-02-13T16:11:37Z")
> [@josef](#): > > hi, hello and welcome. > > i think they are on to something with these spray bottle doses. > not only is it easier for me to say “i used 50mcg of alpha nol in that combo”, it is much easier to read than “i used 12 inches” 🙄 Hahaha… good one! Mr. Cocky & Funny himself! Which begs the question… who you tryin’ to seduce on these forums, josef? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 4:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/36 "2006-02-13T16:20:46Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > Which begs the question… who you tryin’ to seduce on these forums, josef? 😉 LOL! _what are you doing tomorrow night, you big hunk you_?😉 ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 5:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/37 "2006-02-13T17:03:59Z")
> [@josef](#): > > interesting. i’ve modified my -none use by breaking it in over a period of time rather than one use, for example, if i was going to use say 15mcg of -none today i would probably break it up into two separate applications throughout the day ( 5mcg in the morning and 10 sometime after lunch)and usually covered with some of that neroli -nol or else i use A314 first and then drop or spray some -none on top of that. i didn’t realize the extent to which it “clings”. Interesting strategy. I’d recommend inhibiting -none diffusion (with the use of oil or other carriers) mostly in the summer or in naturally hot climates, when your body is naturally acting like a big candle whick. Thing is, too, oils can stop an OD. Technically, one drop of Primal is supposed to be an OD, yet not everyone “ODs” on it. The oil helps stop the -none from diffusing (it’s also because you have this tall stack of -none molecules on a small point that only has so much energy (heat) output to go around.) ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 6:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/38 "2006-02-13T18:02:59Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > I’d recommend inhibiting -none diffusion (with the use of oil or other carriers) mostly in the summer or in naturally hot climates, when your body is naturally acting like a big candle whick. the hot climate will be an issue for me soon. was at the doctors last week for a check up and they found a tumor in my back that needs to be checked out first. i expect they will just slice it out and i’ll be on my merry way to sunshine and cool breeze soon. ---
**Author:** ![SwingerMD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SwingerMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SwingerMD)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 4:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/39 "2006-02-14T04:45:08Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > Interesting strategy. > > I’d recommend inhibiting -none diffusion (with the use of oil or other carriers) mostly in the summer or in naturally hot climates, when your body is naturally acting like a big candle whick. > > Thing is, too, oils can stop an OD. > > Technically, one drop of Primal is supposed to be an OD, yet not everyone “ODs” on it. The oil helps stop the -none from diffusing (it’s also because you have this tall stack of -none molecules on a small point that only has so much energy (heat) output to go around.) MHarris, Wow. Thanks for all the info on anone chemistry and diffusion. It fits really nicely with what I’ve learned in the field over the years. I love reading the research papers on pheromones (BS in Microbiology). I also have learned (the hard way) that it is equally important to blend in the social aspect as well (BA Anthropology). I’ve got into a discussion at LS with J.V. Kohl on that -none may not be a very good attractant. I believed he cited a research study from Japan on how anone was the most offensive mone (compared to -nol and rone I believe). Personally I think this study was a bit missguided on how they went about testing this. -SwingerMD ---
**Author:** ![SwingerMD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SwingerMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SwingerMD)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 4:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/40 "2006-02-14T04:48:09Z")
> [@josef](#): > > hi, hello and welcome. > > i think they are on to something with these spray bottle doses. > not only is it easier for me to say “i used 50mcg of alpha nol in that combo”, it is much easier to read than “i used 12 inches” 🙄 LOL! 😃 That’s a good one Josef. The funny thing about that though . . . 12" is my personal fav dose to use. 😃 -SwingerMD [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38.md?page=3)