# New to Pheromones!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [March 1, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094 "2011-03-01T17:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![deathshredder23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c67d28/32.png) [@deathshredder23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deathshredder23)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/1 "2011-03-01T17:24:08Z")
Im new to [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). My name is Matt, and im 17. Im madly in love with this chick ive known for years and i wanna take things to the next level. Im not looking for a ““magic fix”” but i would like some help, and if pheromones can help do that by igniting the fires that lay dormant then by all means, im willing. I hope to make some friends and share some ideas with you dudes, im sure youll have a lot to teach me. So guys, whadda ya think?? whats to say i cant have my cake and eat it too?? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/2 "2011-03-01T18:00:20Z")
Hi Deathshredder23 - Welcome to Pherotalk. Well, pheros can help here but I expect you will also have a fair bit of behaviour modification to do as well - Which will help with all spects of your interactions with girls and life in general. Can you tell us a bit more about your relationship/interaction with this girl over the last two years? In the meantime, I would suggest [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and IS or another social to tart with. This will help you project a healthy, strong and attractive personality, with the added benefit of a confidence boost and wider social appeal, whilst the IS will help you project a fun and good to be around vibe. The other socials, IO IH & even IG are also worth considering as they can be very effective with girls around your age, who may not respond well to a lot of none. Also see Steve’s Sweet Spot guide in Mens & the other beginner sticky threads for a lot of solid practical advice on using mones. Good luck. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![deathshredder23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c67d28/32.png) [@deathshredder23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deathshredder23)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/3 "2011-03-01T18:14:32Z")
Well, the both of us have only known each other for four years, and we both feel like its been 20. We’re close, and we’d do like anything for each other, its just, we had a rough start. Now, we’re both young adults and im alot more mature, more cocky, i focus more on HER during the interaction, trying to provide HER with the goodtime. Ive been studying from the pickup artists like mystery and david deangelo and neil strauss. Taking notes and studying, and trying to apply it in real world application. I think because of all this, because of all this change, im becoming a better person. Even she noticed a difference in me, and for the better. So, pretty much what im saying is that we’re kinda starting over, (we’ve been through so much) and its clearly evident to her how much i care about her. She just broke up with her long time bf who was like, 3 years older than her and i, and instead of trying to rebound and takje advantage of her like a scumbag would, im just trying to be more FUN, more VIVID, more SEXY, more ME. ya know man?? im still young, and we both have our whole lives ahead of us, but shes the last thing i think about b4 i crash at night, and the first thing i think about when i wake up 😕 ahahah sounds girly i know, but, i love her. Now, on pheromones…i was thinking about using nude alpha and using scent of eros as the coverscent. How does that sound?? ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/4 "2011-03-01T18:55:36Z")
Hiya Deathshredder!!! Welcome to the mone forum!!! Thanks for the details on your relationship and your own personality. From what you’re describing, you don’t want too much of a sexually inclined vibe. scent of eros seems to fit this, though I haven’t used it. It also seems a bit difficult to gauge how much you use, since it has a rollon… Nude Alpha… I couldn’t find anything on the composition of the product, though it is mentioned to have none. No quantity. As a young dude, you’re producing none naturally in higher amounts than some of us older guys. So, a high none based product could be counterproductive to what you want to achieve. I’d say that scent of eros could be good, from its descriptions. I’ve used AMMO and it gives off a sexually confident male here and I see IOI’s with it on from gals around me. I’d suggest you look at IS and IH for a more social mone vibe that will be comforting and supportive of your friend as I think you want her to feel that as well as an attraction. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 8:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/5 "2011-03-01T20:49:28Z")
Thanks for the info deathshredder I concur with 1Alpha here but don’t go all fun/friendly and accommodating for her. You need her to invest in the relationship too and create some tension to build the attraction. DeAngelo and Strauss will have plenty info on that for you. 🙂 I can’t help you with SOE or Nude Alpha but I also agree that the socials and of course IG might be of great value with this girl. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![deathshredder23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c67d28/32.png) [@deathshredder23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deathshredder23)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/6 "2011-03-01T21:54:05Z")
please explain in detail the effects of ammo, instant gentleman, and instant honey as i have never heard of them. Also, please i would like to know which of them have none in them, as i am looking for just the right amount. I want her to feel talkative an relaxed, but she feels that way already pretty often around me, so i wanna turn on her naughty side for sure!!! Lastly, how come you guys have never heard of eros or nude alpha?? Supposedly eros is the secret weapon of phero enthusiasts and is great for and used by beginners and experts alike. Im guessing the only [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) you guys have used have been products from [smartmones.com](http://smartmones.com) huh?? btw, im not sure they asked me for my address when i signed in about on here. If i wish to order from smartmones will i get my gift certificate in some sort of email or something?? Thanks for the answers guys, but first and foremost, answer the questions about my case with my ladyfriend first. Remember, we’re young, great friends, and im trying to make her feel good…allllllllllllllll over. I want her to feel open and comfortable, but im trying to turn her on as well. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/7 "2011-03-01T22:17:50Z")
> [@deathshredder23](#): > > please explain in detail the effects of ammo, instant gentleman, and instant honey as i have never heard of them. Also, please i would like to know which of them have none in them, as i am looking for just the right amount. I want her to feel talkative an relaxed, but she feels that way already pretty often around me, so i wanna turn on her naughty side for sure!!! > > Lastly, how come you guys have never heard of eros or nude alpha?? Supposedly eros is the secret weapon of phero enthusiasts and is great for and used by beginners and experts alike. > > Im guessing the only pheromone products you guys have used have been products from [smartmones.com](http://smartmones.com) huh?? > > btw, im not sure they asked me for my address when i signed in about on here. If i wish to order from smartmones will i get my gift certificate in some sort of email or something?? > > Thanks for the answers guys, but first and foremost, answer the questions about my case with my ladyfriend first. Remember, we’re young, great friends, and im trying to make her feel good…allllllllllllllll over. I want her to feel open and comfortable, but im trying to turn her on as well. Thanks For the products none content, yeah, AMMO is a pretty well rounded product with about a 3rd of it is none. Rone and Anol are basically the rest of it. So, that’s why its a better product for younger guys such as yourself with some sexually inclined attraction from your lady friend(s)…😃 Difficult to estimate the effects of SoE or Nude Alpha without knowing the mone contents. Hey, I’ve heard _of_ scent of eros and read some positive reviews on it, but haven’t gotten it yet as my AMMO seems to do the same thing. I’ll likely give it a spin to compare eventually. Nude Alpha, no, I haven’t heard of it…so can’t get you any thoughts on it other than if it’s high in none, it could backfire on ya. An older guy may not have that same issue as you and may be able to handle that unknown NONE quantity. But, that’s why I bring it up. To get a good grasp of the contents of the products from smartmones, check out this post from a bud of mine: > [@Research Oriented Pheromones Description + Product Value / Ingredient Guide](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557): > > Product Value and Price Guide(Not exact, but its close enough.) A-1: Must Home-brew it. Follow [this guide.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668) A314: About 80%(?) AndrosteR0NE, with some AndrosteNONE and 7 other pheromones in the mix as well. This is an oil based, “drip it on” kind of product, whereas the rest of the consumer line that I’m explaining comes in a spray bottle. 23.8mcg per drop. 280 drops per bottle. Regular Strength($110) = 61mcg per $. 39cents per drop. Ammunition: About 33% AndrosteNONE, 33% Alphanol, 33% An… Many sites don’t give you so much information to make your choices and the support here is great! So, that is why I primarily use AD products. Oh, and an overview of what these mones, such as IG, IO, and IH, etc, you can take a look on my sig P51’s Awesome Overview… Look up the IS and IH as these along with AMMO would fit with what reaction you want to get from you’re gal! 🙂 Sometimes, even if she is comfortable with you, the IS and IH can bring it to a head and bring out solid feelings of attraction if you have the rest of your game in place. Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 11:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/8 "2011-03-01T23:40:27Z")
Deathshredder - I know of scent of eros but have never used it myself. Other users here have and you may get some useful info by searching. Nude Alpha - nope, never heard of it! Also, dont take the claims of most phero sellers at face value. Many of them are pure & unsubstiantiated hype. There is a good reason why the discussion here mostly revolves round products from Androtics & Lovescent. There are other reliable phero sellers of course but not many and the non-Androtics products I use are the likes of NPA & Alter Ego, which are probably more suitable for the older, more none responsive women that I see. As 1Alpha points out, Ammo is the only one with none, whilst IS, IO, IH & IG contain other pheros & molecules that can be used to moderate the effects of none and steer the response in different directions. This is **especially** important in a younger woman because she is likely to be responsive to smaller quantities of none and you are at the age where you are liable to be producing a fair amount yourself - in this situation, the socials assume a far greater importance as they promote impressions & feelings that stimulate attraction in other ways. There are exceptions of course but you need to watch her responses & be the judge of that, so gently adapting your sig/behaviour is probably the best way to go. Simply loading-up with none will probably just disturb & drive her away from you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/9 "2011-03-02T00:11:24Z")
Ok, I’ve just been looking around for info on Nude Alpha and the first couple of sites I looked at put my bullshit detector up to eleven! **However** I then came across another forum with a couple of familiar usernames, who were discussing more favourably. So maybe starting a thread about NA in Mens might bring their experience to bear? From what I can see it appears to be similar to SOE but unscented, NA also comes with 2mg Androstadienone (“A1”) to add. I suggest you read K-Train’s “A1-Guide” in Men’s before getting into that phero. However, the cost of the A1 does not explain the near-$100 price difference for NA! You could layer some good product from here with A1 and still have plenty change. ---
**Author:** ![deathshredder23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c67d28/32.png) [@deathshredder23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deathshredder23)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/10 "2011-03-02T00:24:50Z")
wow, thanks guys. Yea i thought about that too, shes probably got tons of hornyness in her as we speak, because of how young we are, and something more focused on social interaction and opening her up will probably let her real erotic side come out, if that. Does ammo have alot of none?? cause like i said, i dont want TOO much none thatll intimidate her of drive her away. i just want enough so that itll put her in the mood. I realize that ammo is a spray cologne, you would recommend the regular dose that isnt as strong instead of the double dose, seeing as i already have none as a young male, correct?? And as for instant gentleman and instant honesty, do you recommend i mix those with ammo??, sorry im just confused on how to mix sprays, you would think it might be difficult, at least in terms of ruining the smell. and last but not least, WOULD i need to mix the sprays?? or should two be enough?? maybe one bottle of ammo, and one bottle of gentleman. i need help guys, what would you do in my situation??? like, which ones should i buy and if i should mix them at the same time on my body, how?? thanks dudes, much appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/11 "2011-03-02T00:58:55Z")
Normal Ammo has about 2.5mcg of none per spray and similar quantities of Androsterone and Androstenol, which keeps the whole thing in balance so making it the easiest for someone your age to work with - Start with one spray and work-up. It is very unlikely she will be disturbed by that but look out for the “Wow - you smell good today” comment. 😉 I don’t know how often you see each other but seriously it would be better still if you took a few days away from her and followed the Sweet Spot guide to begin with -Then you might have a better idea of your individual dose and any initial responses from strangers. The absence itself may also add to her attraction. > [@deathshredder23](#): > > but first and foremost, answer the questions about my case with my ladyfriend first. Remember, we’re young, **great friends** , and im trying to make her feel good…allllllllllllllll over. **I want her to feel open and comfortable,** but im trying to turn her on as well. Thanks These points are going to challenge you - You are going to gave to get beyond being just friends and sometimes being too comfortable with each other is not good. Of course this does not mean being an arsehole to her but you may have to step back some and assert yourself to let attraction develop. You have said nothing about her ex’s behaviour but this may give you a few clues about what does turn her on. Although that is sometimes not what you want to believe. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 1:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/12 "2011-03-02T01:24:52Z")
> [@deathshredder23](#): > > And as for instant gentleman and instant honesty, do you recommend i mix those with ammo??, sorry im just confused on how to mix sprays, you would think it might difficult, at least in terms of ruining the smell. and last but not least, WOULD i need to mix the sprays?? or should two be enough?? maybe one bottle of ammo, and one bottle of gentleman. Mixing - Its no hassle really. Simply spray your first phero, let it dry down and spray the next on top of it and so on, then any cover scent on top of that. You don’t need to mix them up in advance - Although some folk will do just that in an old TOGO, then take it in their pocket with them. Also think about application points - Generally spraying to your chest/neck area will give you the greatest self effects, whilst spraying on forearms/back of neck will affect your subject more. eg When I’m using Ammo/IS - the first spray of Ammo goes on my throat/upper chest, second is rubbed between my forearms and when it dries down, I put one spray of IS on each forearm and one on the back of my neck. All the scents are fairly mild, complement others well and dry down quickly. Ammo itself is the strongest and the only one you are liable to have any issue with and yes there is quite a bit of discussion about the various scent options here. Personally I far prefer the [World Edition](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/world-edition/) (F22) scent: [AMMUNITION Cologne for Men - TO GO! World Edition :: Archive & Alternative Versions :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) [AMMUNITION FF22 “World Edition”. :: Archive & Alternative Versions :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) It sits well with a good number of popular colognes. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 11:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/13 "2011-03-02T23:50:26Z")
Welcome to Pherotalk Deathshredder! You are young and already producing a good amount of pheromones naturally. The guys gave some excellent pheromone advice and will be your guides while you are new to this. **Your gc was issued! 😃** ---
**Author:** ![deathshredder23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c67d28/32.png) [@deathshredder23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deathshredder23)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 2:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/14 "2011-03-03T02:30:44Z")
ok, so spraying on the neck or chest will influence me more than her huh?? and spraying on the forearms and wrists will give her more of the effect? i should probably wait about about ten minutes after applying the cologne before i go see her huh?? so it isnt as noticeable. And about her ex, i really dont know much about him except for the fact that he was kinda sneaky. i guess it couldnt hurt if i asked her about him in a non suspicious kinda way, though i know id have to be careful with that one. But yes, it was a very good idea on your part and i thank you, as girls tend to date guys that have the same traits, almost like its a pattern or something. As for the advice on ammo, thanks, ill probably apply 1 spray on each arm and rub in into the skin and on the wrists. Then apply my other cologne. Keep in mind though, im not using ammo with IS, im combining it IG. Think thats a good combo man?? i though so, because of the mature, older, experienced young man kind of vibe. Maybe ill remind her of her father, as studies show that women tend to associate themselves with men that trigger those same thoughts, emotions, and memories. What about behind the ears as well?? thatll sink into my skin and help it kick in faster right?? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 10:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/15 "2011-03-03T10:09:22Z")
I think Ammo and IG would be a very good combo - You already seem to have good fun/interaction together and the IG ought to enhance the impression of you being a mature, sexual, confident and charming young man. Remember to adopt a few behaviours and body language to reinforce that impression but don’t become a fawning crawler. 🙂 Yes - Give the scents a little while to mingle and settle. > [@deathshredder23](#): > > And about her ex, i really dont know much about him except for the fact that he was kinda sneaky. i guess it couldnt hurt if i asked her about him in a non suspicious kinda way, though i know id have to be careful with that one. Finding out a bit more would be very good. **However** do your very best to avoid becoming a sounding board for all her trials and troubles with him - This is a near certain attraction killer. I know all too well that it can be a bind to get this one right. Find out what you can but keep the focus on the here and now and how you two can have fun and pleasure together. If her dad is a good man, then yes, adopting a few of his traits is a good idea. Application is fine - However, I would still tend to put the first spray of Ammo on the upper chest/throat area - Partly because it is going on one of the best areas of the body for blood flow/heat dissipation and because you are going to need the self effects as well. I also think this helps “anchor” the none into your own phero signature and as you two get physically closer/she leans into you etc, she will get closer to the none and hopefully associate its good effects with you. Of course, you will also need to take every opportunity to get her in close - Hugs/protective arm round the shoulder/close conversation etc After that, It would be good to put any other sprays on your forearms. The Ammo on your chest/throat may also help draw her in towards you as well - I’ve had plenty of women find some inexplicable reason to to get very close when I’ve been wearing the stuff - Sometimes very blatently! Behind the ears and down to where your jaw/neck meet is also good (esp for hugs) and if it helps, I find that putting a little bit of plain moisturiser on the application points a few mins before you spray will help keep the scent and phero activity going for a good bit longer. It also slows down the phero degradation into potentially bad smelling compounds. You don’t want the stuff sinking too far into your skin. Also always remember to wash the points well when you are done for the night. ---
**Author:** ![deathshredder23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c67d28/32.png) [@deathshredder23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deathshredder23)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/16 "2011-03-03T15:00:52Z")
hahahaha mobocaster youre the man i friggin love you bro!!! thanks so much!! ok, so im going to apply some ammo to my neck, then some behind the ears. Then ill take my IG, and apply it on the wrist/forearm area, and might mix some ammo with the IG on that area as well. (wrist and forearm) I think im going to set it up so that we’ll be watching a movie or something, so we should be very close and definitely in proximity. Im excited, hahha, ill test it out, then report back. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/17 "2011-03-03T15:47:35Z")
Thanks! :o 🙂 Sounds good but be careful with the amount of Ammo - As you have not had time to find your sweet spot and are both so young, I would **strongly advise** you to stick to **one spray** for the first time you expose her to it. With pheros and partiicularly none, less is very often more. 😉 One method to broadly apply one spray of Ammo is for you to spray the pulse point on the inside of one wrist, then quickly rub the same part of the other wrist on it, then quickly rub each wrist on the corresponding back of ear/crook of jaw/neck area. Two sprays IG should be fine. Another thing to think about with none is what you are doing together - Again I don’t think you will go too far wrong with Ammo but if you are sitting/just hanging out/driving/being inactive, you will probably be better doing less of the Ammo than if you were (say) out clubbing/partying/dancing or something else physically active. I’ve made this mistake before and ended-up with a grumpy/fidgety and highly unresponsive woman trying to sit as far away from me as she could on the sofa when exposed to excactly the same amount of none that otherwise would have her all over me and begging to “get out of here” after a couple of hours in a club/dancing environment. And if you have your togo in your pocket ,there is nothing to stop you nipping-off to add another spray as the time goes-on and if she looks to be responding. 😉 And setting-up/taking charge is another thing that can be pretty good in the attraction department too. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![deathshredder23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c67d28/32.png) [@deathshredder23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deathshredder23)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 6:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/18 "2011-03-03T18:20:45Z")
setting up and taking charge as in what?? my friend. like, being the leader like i always am?? An ok, i will do that with the ammo, where should the two sprays of IG go, on the wrists after applying the ammo?? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/19 "2011-03-03T18:34:25Z")
Yes - being the leader - Exactly! 🙂 Yes, I would tend to apply one spray to each wrist/forearm or one spray between them and the other to the back of my head/neck. However I don’t know what your hair is like - I keep mine very short these days and you should avoid putting certain mones on your hair, esp none - it bonds & is very difficult to remove. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094/20 "2011-03-03T18:56:53Z")
Another phero strategy I’ve used with quite some success on “friends” who are moving over is to start the date with just a social or sometimes a social & a tiny amount of none and then increase the none as the night goes-on & only if the interaction gets more sexual. This also allows you a parachute back to fun/friendly if things don’t go the way you want and it allows her to have the “heat of the moment” justification for getting all horny on you if it does work out. Can be very useful as some women can waver on the border of friend/lover for a fair while . Again, this is more suitable for a going out/partying/physically active situation, not going to a movie. Do you two go out dancing/partying together? [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-to-pheromones/49094.md?page=2)