# New User **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [November 14, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-user/60520 "2013-11-14T02:21:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bern2020](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@Bern2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bern2020)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-user/60520/1 "2013-11-14T02:21:49Z")
Hi there I’m new here, 21 yrs old from UK and I have some questions about the pheromones product here. Never really tried any pheromones before in my life but a topic about it came up while I was out with one of my mates and I happened to come across this site. Honestly speaking, I’m skeptical about whether all these would work at all but at the same time I’m also putting a lot of hopes on it to work, so hopefully this will proved to “general” people out there that it’s not baloney. Some things about myself, I’m a student in Oxford and I have a huge range of interests such as skiing, snowboarding, scuba diving, hiking, bodybuilding you name it. Not to boast, but I’ll say I’m pretty good looking as well, as there was a few times customers in Abercrombie & Fitch store mistaken me as a staff there which I’ve never even worked there before (I’m not gay). I’m only 21 and single currently so I guess we all know what I want to achieved with pheromones 🆒 I recently ordered a 2.5mcg TUTH and just received it about three days ago. However, I noticed there’s a small tube of “P74” spray that comes together in the package. Could you guys tell me what that P74 spray is? Is it another [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/)? If so, what does it do and how can I combine it with TUTH? Also, how many spray should I use on me to work ideally in places like night clubs and social parties? I’m also currently using Abercrombie Fierce cologne (got loads of compliments from chicks since I started using it) and I’m wondering can I use it over the combo of TUTH and P74? FYI, I’m also planning to get Ammo & IS by next month so some advice like about the combination with TUTH, which part of the body to apply for each one & how many sprays for each one would be ideal in social parties or night clubs? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2013, 2:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-user/60520/2 "2013-11-14T02:45:58Z")
Hello Bern, Yes, I can give you a few ideas for testing [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/). I don’t want to bias your results by telling you what it does. Consider starting a journal, test about 20 mcg by itself in a place where people frequent, and report effects on yourself and others. Cars are excellent to test in. Or, you can post results to the most recently updated existing P74 thread. I’d like to see you test TUTH by itself, at one, then at two sprays (test four, and any skepticism mones work will vanish, **but be warned** ). Once you know _what Heat does_, you’ll know why the store recommends Heat for nights and AMMO day or night. The best way to discuss 74 is after your first, unbiased test. However, if you can **describe** better what your \*\*goals \*\*are for -eNone products (AMMO and TUTH) and read the store description, we can tell you some reasons why A M M O is what I’d recommend to you over Heat, especially for day use. You can report here: > [@P74: experts, how would you sum it up in one sentence? I can't get a feel for it](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74/59383): > > For you experts out there (MMMDI, mobo, Radman, P51, etc) if you had to sum up P74 in one sentence, how would you do it? I’ve been trying to get a feel for it, but either it is just too subtle for me, or I am not self-aware of myself and my surroundings. When I wear AMMO, TUTH, A314, IS, or IH I feel like I can easily note the differences in myself and in others, but I just can’t seem to get a feel for P74. I’ve tried researching it on the forum, but I am coming up with a mixed bad of results. S… The reason why they sent you that is to gather more data from more people all around the world, without any preconceptions. If you like it, you may order it, as I have. > [@Updated AndroticsDirect Pheromones for newbies](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/updated-androticsdirect-pheromones-for-newbies/39802): > > AD offers a wide array of pheromones out there. There’s been more and more new users asking about products and what not. To start off here are some basic guides for pheromones. This is a great writeup by Steve O to test pheromones out that you receive. [How to find your sweet spot… - PheroTalk Pheromone Research Forum](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-find-sweet-spot/55943)[http://www.pheromonetalk.com/introductions-new-users-say-hello-today/introduction-](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-the-introductions-new-users-say-hello-category/189702)[pheromones-names-size-strength-use-46373.html](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43012) Here is also a guide to the molecules by toilofd… > [@How to Test and Report On Products UPDATED 12/01](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-test-and-report-on-products-updated-12-01/6297): > > (At the bottom of this post I have included a small guide on how to find your sweet spot) It has occurred to me that alot of the new people who have reported have not given detailed reports which is something that is needed by Androtics to make new consumer products. I am guilty of this at times as well. (sorry Jas wink ) I am going to post a outline here so that new people will understand how to report so we can have some more consumer goodies faster. First off when you receive a product a… ALWAYS read the store description for products. The 30 mL sizes are often most detailed. ---
**Author:** ![redlion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8491ac/32.png) [@redlion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/redlion)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2013, 6:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-user/60520/3 "2013-11-14T06:41:08Z")
> [@Bern2020](#): > > Hi there > > I’m new here, 21 yrs old from UK and I have some questions about the pheromones product here. Never really tried any pheromones before in my life but a topic about it came up while I was out with one of my mates and I happened to come across this site. > > Honestly speaking, I’m skeptical about whether all these would work at all but at the same time I’m also putting a lot of hopes on it to work, so hopefully this will proved to “general” people out there that it’s not baloney. > > I recently ordered a 2.5mcg TUTH and just received it about three days ago. However, I noticed there’s a small tube of “P74” spray that comes together in the package. Could you guys tell me what that P74 spray is? Is it another pheromone product? > > If so, what does it do and how can I combine it with TUTH? Also, how many spray should I use on me to work ideally in places like night clubs and social parties? > > I’m also currently using Abercrombie Fierce cologne (got loads of compliments from chicks since I started using it) and I’m wondering can I use it over the combo of TUTH and P74? > > FYI, I’m also planning to get Ammo & IS by next month so some advice like about the combination with TUTH, which part of the body to apply for each one & how many sprays for each one would be ideal in social parties or night clubs? Hi Bern, welcome to pherotalk 🙂 First off it’s nice to see a skeptical attitude about things. I doubted too at first, but there’s science! yes, science, behind pheromone technology. It’s the chemistry of nonverbal communication. Your choice of TUTH as a first product is what a true skeptic would buy, as it has some of the most potent and obvious effects. It’ll give you proof of concept in a hurry. As to how many sprays, well, who knows? 😉 The guys (and gals) around the forums are good, but I don’t think anybody could tell you what works best for you. There are some basic premises, like sweet spot testing and intentional ODing, that new users should familiarize themselves with. Testing the effects of each pheromone on you is a part of the process. I’ll warn you that TUTH can put people on edge sometimes, as the main pheromone is androstenone. The staff at Androtics are great, they saw that it was your first order and what you were getting, and were like “he sure could use a mood phero to go with that raw none mix” They’ve got your back. Using TUTH on it’s own with more than maybe two sprays might give you a negative impression of all [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) in general 😛 p74 eases the mood around you, providing an open atmosphere. It reduces aggression, which can help offset any negative effects from the -none overdose from many sprays of TUTH. P74 is a nice social counterweight. The two products in concert are great for meeting people at clubs, festivals and other uninhibited atmospheres. Toning back one or the other will give you better effects at singles bars, or mellower effects for social parties. The possibilities are doubled for each product you add. As to your cologne, yes it’s perfectly alright to use as a cover scent. Just be careful how many sprays you douse yourself in. 😛 To be perfectly honest, Ammo has better effects for me all round than TUTH. I would start there if you can stand to wait. Ammo and IS will be like crack once you sweet spot test. Anyway, hope this has helped. Ask more questions and familiarize yourself with the forum search function 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bern2020](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@Bern2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bern2020)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-user/60520/4 "2013-11-14T19:14:39Z")
Hi monesmadedoit, thanks for the reply & advice. About my goals, I planning to use TUTH, [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) & IS like in social parties, night clubs, etc for ONS, pickups, dating, relationships…you know, the usual stuff. Yea no doubt, even I noticed on the site that Ammo is really popular among of all the mones they have, its like King of the mones LOL! I do plan to get Ammo and IS as well but currently am broke now ☹ so I 'll have to wait next month if not I do plan to get it now because I can’t wait to test those out, especially with the combination effects. For the P74, I have yet to test it out but I’ll definitely post some results ASAP. About what you said about TUTH, what do you mean by "test four, and any skepticism [mones](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/) work will vanish, **but be warned"** ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-user/60520/5 "2013-11-14T19:23:23Z")
TUTH has 2.5 mcg -eNone per spray, as does AMMO. IJ I think is 12.5, or very close. Once you’re over 10 mcg, the distinctions don’t matter much. Whether it’s pure -eNone or A MMO or Heat, the e None sends such a potent signal that it’s difficult to buffer. Expect negative reactions to outnumber positives 2:1, but positives, when they hit, can be excellent. So, the store talks about “kicking a puppy.” IJ is still a fine product (heavy e None), because, in reality, jail convicts (Super Jerks) get marriage proposals. In some cases, they’re in stir for kicking puppies. They also like to get in bar fights with other Jerks, in a challenge for King of Jerk Hill. 😮 - The bottle reads “[Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/): Rough, uncivilized and rude. Someone who might kick a puppy and like it.” [Instant Jerk – Fantasy Fulfillment Pheromone For Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) \*Tip: Always read the store text for the 30 mL. If the Ops Mgr gets back from leave, SmartMones really should update the store text for TOGOs of IJ and TUTH to make clear what you’re getting with these. AMMO was my first order via GC, and it ranked well in the poll even three years ago. Always a safer bet for newbies, especially under 30. I use 1/2 spray Heat daytime, due to being over 30. I also get a good dose of e None in A314. Always know how much -eNone is in each dose and add it up. So one spray AMMO, 1 TUTH, 3 sprays 314 = pushing OD territory. **Not appropriate** for the office or classroom. Androtics official policy is that Heat is not appropriate for day use unless maybe you’re really sub par on e None (Low T, middle age, over 55+). Basically, 2 sprays AMMO + 2 sprays TUTH = very close to IJ. Frankly, I’ve seen what 10 mcg pure -eNone can do. Not a really friendly vibe at all. `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/detour-64713.html#post497921` > [@Bern2020](#): > > Hi monesmadedoit, > > thanks for the reply & advice. About my goals, I planning to use TUTH, Ammo & IS like in social parties, night clubs, etc for ONS, pickups, dating, relationships…you know, the usual stuff. > > Yea no doubt, even I noticed on the site that Ammo is really popular among of all the mones they have, its like King of the mones LOL! I do plan to get Ammo and IS as well but currently am broke now ☹ so I 'll have to wait next month if not I do plan to get it now because I can’t wait to test those out, especially with the combination effects. > > For the P74, I have yet to test it out but I’ll definitely post some results ASAP. > > About what you said about TUTH, what do you mean by "test four, and any skepticism [mones](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/) work will vanish, **but be warned"** ---
**Author:** ![Bern2020](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@Bern2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bern2020)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-user/60520/6 "2013-11-14T19:29:21Z")
> [@redlion](#): > > Hi Bern, welcome to pherotalk 🙂 > > First off it’s nice to see a skeptical attitude about things. I doubted too at first, but there’s science! yes, science, behind pheromone technology. It’s the chemistry of nonverbal communication. > > Your choice of TUTH as a first product is what a true skeptic would buy, as it has some of the most potent and obvious effects. It’ll give you proof of concept in a hurry. > > As to how many sprays, well, who knows? 😉 > > The guys (and gals) around the forums are good, but I don’t think anybody could tell you what works best for you. There are some basic premises, like sweet spot testing and intentional ODing, that new users should familiarize themselves with. Testing the effects of each pheromone on you is a part of the process. > > I’ll warn you that TUTH can put people on edge sometimes, as the main pheromone is androstenone. The staff at Androtics are great, they saw that it was your first order and what you were getting, and were like “he sure could use a mood phero to go with that raw none mix” They’ve got your back. Using TUTH on it’s own with more than maybe two sprays might give you a negative impression of all pheromones in general 😛 > > p74 eases the mood around you, providing an open atmosphere. It reduces aggression, which can help offset any negative effects from the -none overdose from many sprays of TUTH. P74 is a nice social counterweight. > > The two products in concert are great for meeting people at clubs, festivals and other uninhibited atmospheres. Toning back one or the other will give you better effects at singles bars, or mellower effects for social parties. > > The possibilities are doubled for each product you add. As to your cologne, yes it’s perfectly alright to use as a cover scent. Just be careful how many sprays you douse yourself in. 😛 > > To be perfectly honest, Ammo has better effects for me all round than TUTH. I would start there if you can stand to wait. Ammo and IS will be like crack once you sweet spot test. > > Anyway, hope this has helped. Ask more questions and familiarize yourself with the forum search function 😉 Hi redlion, thanks for the reply About what you said about TUTH, what do you mean “more than maybe two sprays might give you a negative impression of all pheromones in genera”? Are you saying that spray more than two times on myself will put people off, even with the combination of Ammo & IS? Also, what are you referring to when you said “possibilities are doubled for each product you add”? I know Ammo & IS are like crack that’s why I want to order it by next month, because I kinda broke at the moment ☹ But is it not better if I combine TUTH together with Ammo and IS as well? I actually more concern about the sprays for each product when combining, because I don’t want to ended up spraying too much and putting everyone off. ---
**Author:** ![Bern2020](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@Bern2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bern2020)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-user/60520/7 "2013-11-14T19:45:00Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > TUTH has 2.5 mcg -eNone per spray, as does AMMO. IJ I think is 12.5, or very close. Once you’re over 10 mcg, the distinctions don’t matter much. Whether it’s pure -eNone or A MMO or Heat, the e None sends such a potent signal that it’s difficult to buffer. Expect negative reactions to outnumber positives 2:1, but positives, when they hit, can be excellent. So, the store talks about “kicking a puppy.” IJ is still a fine product (heavy e None), because, in reality, jail convicts (Super Jerks) get marriage proposals. In some cases, they’re in stir for kicking puppies. They also like to get in bar fights with other Jerks, in a challenge for King of Jerk Hill. 😮 Right, so do you mean that I should keep TUTH below 10mcg per use? Say like 1-2 sprays at night clubs, more than that and it’ll be overdose ? What about [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) mcg? It says here on my little tube it’s 5mcg per spray, does that 5mcg means pure eNone? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2013, 8:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-user/60520/8 "2013-11-14T20:10:52Z")
> [@Bern2020](#): > > Right, so do you mean that I should keep TUTH below 10mcg per use? Say like 1-2 sprays at night clubs, more than that and it’ll be overdose ? > > What about P74 mcg? It says here on my little tube it’s 5mcg per spray, does that 5mcg means pure eNone? P74 is similar to 50/50 IO and IH. You need to test about 20 mcg before going to the club. If you want freebies in future orders, Androtics wants your reports on the single molecules. Combos corrupt the data. I’m saying start at 1 spray TUTH. IF you add a spray, on your wrist. If things get ugly (some guy might want a piece of you) wash it off. -eNone is a highly aggressive male dominance [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/). It is unapologetic, street brawler Bad Boy Bad Ass. [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/public-announcement-why-i-am-no-longer-using-androstenone/58048/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/public-announcement-why-i-am-no-longer-using-androstenone/58048) ---
**Author:** ![redlion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8491ac/32.png) [@redlion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/redlion)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2013, 6:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-user/60520/9 "2013-11-15T06:42:10Z")
> [@Bern2020](#): > > Hi redlion, thanks for the reply > > About what you said about TUTH, what do you mean “more than maybe two sprays might give you a negative impression of all pheromones in genera”? Are you saying that spray more than two times on myself will put people off, even with the combination of Ammo & IS? > > Also, what are you referring to when you said “possibilities are doubled for each product you add”? > > I know Ammo & IS are like crack that’s why I want to order it by next month, because I kinda broke at the moment ☹ But is it not better if I combine TUTH together with Ammo and IS as well? > > I actually more concern about the sprays for each product when combining, because I don’t want to ended up spraying too much and putting everyone off. TuTH elicits strong reactions at high dosage, because enone elicits strong reactions at high dosage, and the enone in TUTH isn’t strongly buffered by other pheros on purpose. Don’t get me wrong, this product can have fantastic effects on its own. But I’ve found in my experience that, while less is more and enone is nice, using a variety of pheromones instead can provoke generally better responses in generally more settings. Especially if enone is in the mix. Hence, the p74 gift. Of course, your experiences may differ. But I think you’ll see what I mean if you test what you’ve got. Do a little sweet spot testing with your TUTH. Go to a club with one spray one night, then the same club the next week with two sprays. Then three sprays. Then four, until eventually, you’ll OD and see negative reactions. Take a dose somewhere between none and OD, and start from there. This might take two weeks to do, but you’ll find the right dose for you. Then the next month do the same thing, but each time add an equivalent number of sprays of p74. Or two sprays of tuth and one of p74, then three and one, then three and two - you see what I mean about doubling? You never fully exhaust the possibilities of even one or two products, let alone the arsenals you can drool over [here](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unofficial-trading-post-buy-sell-trade-pherotalk-members-p2p-pheromone-market/57871/15). Many of the enthusiasts here are searching for the perfect mix. Like our version of alchemy. But you don’t need to be able to make gold to say you’ve got the chemistry. The basic molecules are fairly accessible here. As to your concern about how many sprays when combining, you’ve got to accept the fact that at some point you’ll go too far. Hopefully you’re doing it intentionally to know what it’s like, and not unintentionally when your girl finds your “perfume” and absolutely _loves_ it - for the next eight hours. Or whatever. You won’t put anyone off anymore than a bad mood would in the worst of circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Bern2020](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@Bern2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bern2020)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-user/60520/10 "2013-11-16T18:14:41Z")
I see, guess I got to start on Alchemy 101 haha, lots of testing and research to do. But based on experiences, do you guys think that pheromones works better by spraying on the skin or the clothing? ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 12:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-user/60520/11 "2013-11-22T00:09:44Z")
Welcome Bern, This is a super informal and not so tailored response if you will. I would luuuuuuuv to spend more time assisting you especially since you are a newbie. We are short staffed and these gift certificates are done manually. It takes a great deal and I am back logged. I am hoping that when I catch up on my work, I can start answering these intro threads the way I use to In fact, I am hoping that soon, someone more experienced than me can come in so I get to do what I am great at, customer service. Thank you for giving pheromones a chance. Your gc was issued!