# NEWB First impressions **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 9, 2008, 7:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newb-first-impressions/15211 "2008-07-09T19:53:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hellonweelz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hellonweelz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hellonweelz)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 7:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newb-first-impressions/15211/1 "2008-07-09T19:53:04Z")
I get my order in yesterday..I couldn’t help but feel like a kid at Christmas. Felt a little foolish actually. Anyway bought a bottle of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and a bottle of ammo double strength. I bought these particular products because I wanted see if I could be a little more approachable and increase the IOI’s. Basics of me: 38yrs, 5’5", athletically built, half white, half latino, blood type O for those that are interested. People that know me would say I’m serious, direct, intimidating, assertive, driven, that kind of thing…People I don’t know generally don’t approach me or initiate interactions. I’ve tried to work on my body language and social skills to help but it’s just the way it is I guess. So I stared at the bottles for a minute not really knowing how to proceed. I wanted to douse myself in them and run out to the nearest crowd I could find to see if anything would magically happen, but I knew that was foolish. So instead I took the lids off to see I what they smelled like. I figured they were going to have a mix of “essence of musky ferret, cat and skunk” Or maybe “essence of deer scent pouch”, or “elk in rut”. (for you hunters out there).. But nope, Ammo, at first, smelled like Kenneth Cole Black which is one of my favorites, but after it dried it smelled different. Instant Openness smells like CK One to me. I flipped a coin to decide which to try and it was Ammo. I’ve done multi-variable experiments at work and I know how difficult it is to draw conclusions when you can’t alter just one variable per test. So I’m bent on trying to keep my tests manageable and spraying both on at once will cloud the results. **Initial Conditions:** 1 spray Ammo(2X) to wrist spread to other wrist and neck. Wiped the residual from the nozzle behind both ears. **Initial Observations:** This stuff smells great. Once it got into the mid/base note I couldn’t stop smelling it. Not bad for elk in rut, or ferret..I’d buy this just for the scent. I didn’t really feel any different as far as mood goes so no self effect.. **Action:** I decided to go to Walmart for a couple of things. Nothing particularly interesting. A couple 40ish women kept running in to me (not physically) while I was looking at the electronics, but there wasn’t any eye contact. I left and it was raining and I didn’t really feel like shopping anyway so I decided to call it a day for testing. So I stopped off at the library to get some woodworking ideas for later. (one of my hobbies) Things did get a little interesting at the library. #1–I had left my books on a table and was looking in a shelf close by and a family walks up and takes over my table. No big deal, once I got done looking I stepped over and excused my self to get my books. Apologies from the Mom and then a really intense eye lock from a teen aged girl say 15. Not mean, just solid, extended eye contact. So I went to the next table over and sat down with my back to them and start looking at my books. A little while later and the same girl walks past my table to the window looks outside for a second then comes back directly at me and the same solid eye contact once I look up. I found that unusual. Description-- White pale skinned, dark hair, blue eyes. Like Liv Tyler. #2–I recognize a girl I had seen before who is a tour guide at a local museum looking at books a little ways off. She looked up at me and immediately smiled and looked down. Strong IOI in my book but she’s a tour guide and has to be friendly.. We’ve never met but I did attend one of her tours a couple of months ago. I doubt she recognized me. She walked by my table a few minutes later. Another smile and look down so I open by asking her if she is still doing tours. She stopped kind’ve surprised and said yes. I told her I recognized her and she just sort of laughed and walked on. She goes back to her shelf and stayed there for a while. I looked up every now and then to see if she was still there but no more interaction. So she disappears for a little while and comes back to the shelf closest to me. Starts looking through the books and knocks a bunch of them off the shelf. I honestly think she was distracted. Description–White girl, 5’4", mid 20’s, not so pale, green eyes, thin, very attractive. #3–So another girl walks up to #2 (I guess a friend), and again extended eye contact from the new girl when I look up at her. No smile, but she displayed the “oh a guy just looked at me I need to stand up straighter and toss my hair” effect. They talked quietly a minute then friend walks away. I deliberately don’t look at her for some reason until the last minute and when I did I busted her looking at me again. This time she looks away quickly embarrassed. Description–White girl, mid 20’s, light brown hair, 5’2", stocky but not fat, also attractive. #4–After 1,2,3 clear out one of the librarians walks past, casually looks at me then goes into the magazine area. The look was pretty normal nothing out of the ordinary. She comes out with a stack of papers, stops in front of me, shuffles them around, looks at me again when I look up then walks off. I’m in the far corner of the library, pretty spread out from everyone. Anyway, she comes back for another stack of papers and I can feel her looking at me. She leaves again and I feel someone looking at me and she’s across the room at a desk staring at me. It wasn’t a creepy stare but intense enough for me perceive it somehow. Description–White girl, late 20’s, dirty blond, thin, 5’4", brown eyes, not as attractive. Although these events aren’t necessarily groundbreaking. The coincidence seems a little odd given the last several visits to the library were not like today. I need to dwell on this a while before I make any conclusion, but if this type of thing remains consistent over time I’d have to give the products their due. This wasn’t the end of my day however. I still went out to a bar on Karaoke nite which also has its own interesting events. But as I’ve written a book here I’m going to give it a break. Thanks for reading BTW..😃 ---
**Author:** ![chopsumbong](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/chopsumbong/32/1028_2.png) [@chopsumbong](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chopsumbong)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newb-first-impressions/15211/2 "2008-07-09T22:56:40Z")
Dude thats sweet! you need to follow them thru though m8, if ur sitting in lib and a girls looking at you goto her and say something like “hey, i’ll only be a min just wondered, dont suppose you know much about (whatever ur books about)” then follow with a related question. after shes answered thank her and go back and sit down with YOUR BACK facing her. if shes intrested then she WILL come to you if there is a group of girls then you ask them as a joint opinion, but dont stare at the one you fancy make a comment like “nice hair”. then get back to the question. if she seems a little cold say “is she allways this happy?” these are just a couple ideas off top of my head but what can you lose? if any ask for YOUR number or something then you can claim the rank of “im a phero JEDI” Read a book called The Game by Neil Strauss. as for body language just keep smiling and keeping eye contact. show ur palms a lot. if your feeling confident enough before you walk away wink at her. remember shes gotta amke the next move so make sure she thinks shes fighting for something worth while. and if ur reading a book on genital warts… dont ask them about it, sometimes they dont take it too good. (thats a joke) ---
**Author:** ![Omegabyte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/46a35a/32.png) [@Omegabyte](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Omegabyte)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 2:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newb-first-impressions/15211/3 "2008-07-10T02:15:12Z")
Good report Hellonweelz, Tell us about Karaoke night… ---
**Author:** ![Hellonweelz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hellonweelz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hellonweelz)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 3:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newb-first-impressions/15211/4 "2008-07-10T03:35:57Z")
> [@chopsumbong](#): > > Dude thats sweet! > you need to follow them thru though m8, if ur sitting in lib and a girls looking at you goto her and say something like “hey, i’ll only be a min just wondered, dont suppose you know much about (whatever ur books about)” then follow with a related question. after shes answered thank her and go back and sit down with YOUR BACK facing her. if shes intrested then she WILL come to you if there is a group of girls then you ask them as a joint opinion, but dont stare at the one you fancy make a comment like “nice hair”. then get back to the question. if she seems a little cold say “is she allways this happy?” > > these are just a couple ideas off top of my head but what can you lose? if any ask for YOUR number or something then you can claim the rank of “im a phero JEDI” > > Read a book called The Game by Neil Strauss. > as for body language just keep smiling and keeping eye contact. show ur palms a lot. if your feeling confident enough before you walk away wink at her. remember shes gotta amke the next move so make sure she thinks shes fighting for something worth while. and if ur reading a book on genital warts… dont ask them about it, sometimes they dont take it too good. > (thats a joke) LOL..I got it…I mean the joke, not the warts..heh heh. Hey thanks for the tips. Sounds like classic Mystery. I haven’t read “The Game” but I’ve heard about it. Maybe I should pick up a copy. You are right though, there were three different opportunities here for me to escalate that I passed on. I wasn’t in a pick up frame of mind and I got caught up in observing IOI. Pickup isn’t natural to me if the indicators aren’t **really** strong. I’m more the quiet, observant type. But, I have been trying to decide if I would have opened a conversation with the cute tour guide if I hadn’t been wearing the pheros. Truthfully, it was a little out of character for me to try and initiate a conversation. Thanks again for the tips. ---
**Author:** ![Hellonweelz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hellonweelz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hellonweelz)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 5:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newb-first-impressions/15211/5 "2008-07-10T05:51:41Z")
> [@Omegabyte](#): > > Good report Hellonweelz, > > Tell us about Karaoke night… Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. So on to the rest of the day..I got a call and had to take off from the library. I was still pondering things when I saw that Hancock was just starting at the movie theater. I was planning to go to the local bar later and I had some time to kill, so I pulled in to see the movie. No negative reactions from any of the three girls working. All high school age, big smiles, friendly. Anyway I was pretty much into the movie when I got the feeling someone was in my space. There weren’t many people in the place so I had a good bit of room when I sat down. So I turned slightly to look back and there is a younger woman about 20ish sitting directly behind me. She wasn’t there when I sat down. Nothing really of note but it felt like she was really close to me..I had a hard time keeping from looking back all the time. That’s it about that but it did tell me that I was ultra sensitive to things going on around me. Not sure why, but probably because I’m watching for any kind of reactions. To the bar. It had been several hours so I figured ammo had worn off. Karaoke nite at this bar is usually pretty lame and I can only handle it for a hour or so. I wasn’t expecting any quality women so I decided to switch to [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). **Condition:** 1 spray Instant Openness on wrist rubbed to other wrist and on neck area. wiped residual under ears. Jut like the ammo dose.. **Initial Observations:** The to go bottle sprayed much more than the other bottle. The scent is a little strong for me. Smells just like CK one to me. I have a bottle of it that I hardly use because it is too strong as well. Didn’t really feel any self effect. **Actions:** I didn’t shower since I had showered after workout about noon and I didn’t plan on staying long anyway. So technically there was a mix of latent ammo and new Instant Openness. I sit down at the bar a get my drink and look around a couple of minutes. Nothing interesting. **#1–Older guy sitting next to me. Rough looking guy, 50.** Immediately introduces himself, asks my name, regular chit chat. He went on for hours. Went on so long I wanted to move but for some reason Karaoke was the place to be and there wasn’t any other place so I had to humor him. Talks about everything and anything. Said I was a cool guy, cool to talk to, and I really wasn’t talking much. Even tells me he likes to smoke pot, and invites me to smoke. Usually, if people talk about stuff like that around me they get nervous and ask if I’m a cop. I get that a lot. I put off the cop vibe I guess. Not this guy. If this ain’t “instant openness” I don’t know what is. **#2–Mid to late 30’s woman. White, brown hair, soccer Mom, little overweight. 5’6" or so.** I had met and talked with her maybe a couple of years ago. All interaction stopped when I started seeing a mutual friend. I figured no big deal, I really wasn’t interested in her anyway. But she’s sitting next to me at the bar chattin’ with a friend. She probably hasn’t said one word to me in over a year. She turns and starts telling me about her groceries in her car, and her to go order. Pretty much mindless out of the blue stuff.. turns out she got married, blah, blah..So I nod, throw a couple of uh huhs at her and pretty much mind my own business. So one of the to go orders is for her husband back at the house and she starts to leave, tells everyone around goodbye and just stares at me..deer in the headlights..like she forgot what she was doing or saying. So I help her out and say at least you are bringin’ your old man something to eat and she snaps out of it and giggles, shakes her head then walks off. So talkative and open behavior plus a little distraction thrown in for good measure. **#3–40ish woman. Hispanic, black hair, pretty good shape, 5’4".** Works at the restaurant side of the bar. She’s about three barstools down havin a drink after her shift I guess. Talkin with a guy sitting next to her. Older guy is still talkin my ear off. She gets up out of the blue, walks around three people, interrupts older guy and tells me “I just want to know your name” and holds out her hand. So I shake her hand, introduce myself and she walks away. Don’t really know what to think about that. **#4–mid/late 30s woman, hispanic, black hair, 5’6", pretty good looking.** Walks in with two 20ish girls, very hot, hispanic girls. They find a table and after a bit she walks over to the bar to order drinks and when I look at her she’s staring right at me. Extra long eye contact. Challenging, but she broke off with a little smile and a look down. Even older guy sees it and elbows me and points at her. I miss the 3 second opportunity and another guy hits her up. No big deal I’ll see her again. **#5–mid/late 40’s men, two guys, retired military special forces.** I’ve met both these guys in the past. Both from secondary introductions. Rarely talk to either of them. 5 mins after they walk in one points at me and asks if he knows me. I tell him yeah we’ve met but thats about it. He goes on and says “so we’re cool..I didn’t piss you off?” I don’t really know what to think and tell him no and I ask what he’s talking about. He just tells me he pisses a lot of people off for some reason etc etc. So I tell him I know exactly what he means. So the other guy chimes in and asks if we’ve met as well and I tell him we met a year or two ago talked a little. Good conversations, we talked about climbing 14er’s here in Colorado. Good vibe all around. Trust me, I know this stuff is pretty normal level social interaction. But you have to remember that from my frame of reference it is way out of the ordinary. I’m the quiet guy that sits alone most of the time. Doesn’t talk much, nobody knows, always some mysterious rumor about who I am or what I do, etc. Men in particular never initiate conversations. In fact there is usually a little tension. So these interactions are quite abnormal for me. People chatting me up is weird. The ultimate Alpha’s (Army Special Forces) initiating conversations is weird. Eye contact from women is not weird but getting it all day long is. I need to get back to the single variable. I got great openness last night so I’m going to continue to test IO for consistency Again, thanks for reading..I write books, I know. ---
**Author:** ![Omegabyte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/46a35a/32.png) [@Omegabyte](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Omegabyte)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newb-first-impressions/15211/6 "2008-07-10T18:14:58Z")
Well, are you a regular at that bar and have never met that waitress before? Are you a big tipper? Seems to me she was interested enough in you to get your name. How often has something like that happened in the past without the use of Pheros? ---
**Author:** ![Hellonweelz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hellonweelz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hellonweelz)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 7:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newb-first-impressions/15211/7 "2008-07-10T19:02:30Z")
> [@Omegabyte](#): > > Well, are you a regular at that bar and have never met that waitress before? Are you a big tipper? Seems to me she was interested enough in you to get your name. How often has something like that happened in the past without the use of Pheros? I can’t say a woman has never just came up to me cold and introduced herself to me in a bar. If I go to bars a couple times a week, it may happen once every couple of months. That’s why I don’t really know about her. Could’ve been she’s wanted to talk to me for a while and finally got up the nerve. I’ve been going to this bar for about 4 years off and on. The staff is pretty regular, and most know me. The bulk of the customers are regulars as well, and some know me personally but most just have seen me there. This waitress started maybe a year ago. She works in the restaurant and she’s never served me. I do see her most every time I go in there, but I don’t remember ever talking to her and I have never met her, nor have I displayed any interest in her (not attractive to me). I can obviously come up with 5 different reasons why any of the interactions happened. The coincidence of pheremones and the high number of interactions this day is odd. I consider the day as being one data point with a number of observable results defining it. I’m going to try and test this over time and see if there are consistencies that I can observe. It’s a very tough experiment since there are so many variables, unknowns, and random effects going on. Top it off with the fact that defining whether there is a result or not is subjective and you basically have an unprovable condition. At least to a hard line skeptic. But hey..the fun is in the attempt. There really is no downside to trying. Other than the $ and that money can be refunded. Too bad I don’t have a lab and few million dollars on hand..I could design some cool mri or other brain scan experiments to test this stuff with. Thanks for reading..let me know what you think.