# Newbe be gentle **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 6, 2007, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893 "2007-10-06T17:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jimmerwi42](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jimmerwi42/32/991_2.png) [@jimmerwi42](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimmerwi42)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2007, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/1 "2007-10-06T17:18:32Z")
Hi As in my hello i am a newbee. you can see my pic so I will despnse with that. have done some reading but it is overweleming. I am 47 O- blood type recently divorced. decent looking and looking for an edge. I am a little gun shy, I generally do ok once the opportunity presents itself. I need somethoing to break the Ice… Looking for a good all around product or a 1-2 punch. Something to grab a a 37-47ish ladies attention and keep it, open the door, make them confortanble at ease, maybe a little spark… Something that would project mature, sexy, confidant, trustworthy, nice, but a little bad too. but refined… not to strong… Make sense… Jim ---
**Author:** ![snook\_assassin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snook_assassin/32/1107_2.png) [@snook\_assassin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snook_assassin)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2007, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/2 "2007-10-06T19:56:38Z")
Ahh yes, the icebreakers… I would recommend damn near anything in the instant line to help out with that. Instant openness, instant female magic, and instant shine are particularly great. Thank you for being thorough in your intro thread, I’m sure Steveo won’t be long with your 15$ GC. Also, since you’re type O neg, you naturally produce a lot of none compared with others in your age range of different blood types. I would also still recommend [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) to you, as it will accentuate your own phero signature, and get the “how you doin” look from the ladies… lol. ---
**Author:** ![jimmerwi42](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jimmerwi42/32/991_2.png) [@jimmerwi42](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimmerwi42)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 1:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/3 "2007-10-07T01:16:57Z")
Hi thanks Snook, Tisha (from over younder) Well in for a dollar in for a dime… Hope this stuff really works… Just ordered Instant shine, Instant openness, Ammo (heavy 2x) and A314 (all normal size)… Ok how do I employ this sensory cocktail to miximum effect… What results should I expect if it works? What doasage and where do i put what in this cocktail… also shouyle we go weasy on the A314 so not to intimadating? Jim Jim ---
**Author:** ![snook\_assassin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snook_assassin/32/1107_2.png) [@snook\_assassin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snook_assassin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 1:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/4 "2007-10-07T01:39:53Z")
> [@jimmerwi42](#): > > Hi thanks Snook, There is sooooo much to read however… > > Ok I am thinking Ammo instant shine, and A314.. that is from what I am reading anyway. > > What do you think? I think I would go light with the A314 so not to intimadating just a smig of star power so to speak… am i reading it right? > > Ok where do you wear it for maximum effect, how much, etc… > > Jim Those are some fantastic choices to start with! Those can all be worn as stand alones, or even all 3 combined together, for barhopping and such. With the A314, it’s very versatile as to application points. pulse points, neck, wrists, one guy even puts an itty bitty drop right under his nose, lol. For you I would recommend to start with one drop of A314 for the first day, and the second day, 2 drops, etc, until you find your sweet spot. some users will apply as much as 3 or 4 drops at a time for their sweet spot. The shine will also help ease the star power/unapproachable effect, too. That I’d wear on your chest/neck for best user results, but again, some users wear that on their wrists, elbows, etc… The Ammo is the best stand alone I have experience with. It has a sexy edge, but not overbearing in the right amounts. If they’ll let you order it, I’d go for the double strength formula, since you may want a bit more -none to get the ladies attention.😉 😉 Plus, it lasts longer, since you won’t use as much. The reason I say to try for the double strength is because if you do want more -none, you can achieve it without smelling like a french you-know-what. The scent is fantastic in Ammo, don’t get me wrong, but if you want more, you don’t want to reek to achieve proper dosage. ---
**Author:** ![jimmerwi42](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jimmerwi42/32/991_2.png) [@jimmerwi42](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimmerwi42)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 1:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/5 "2007-10-07T01:45:28Z")
Thanks snook I addeed Instant openness at Trish’s suggestion… A looker like that needs to be headed! So it is IO,A314, Ammo 2x and IS… what in your experience should I notice diffrent… will it be subtile or very pronounced? Jim ---
**Author:** ![NeoPhunk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/neophunk/32/563_2.png) [@NeoPhunk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NeoPhunk)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/6 "2007-10-07T01:58:25Z")
Hey Jimmer, welcome the forums! Listen to Snook’s advice, he definitely knows what hes talking about. Good choices on starting products. A314, Instant Shine, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), and AMMO… its an all-star lineup. As snook said, start with A314… 1 drop to start. Try that for your first day. I would also try adding a bit of Instant Shine or Instant Openness to the mix as well once you get comfortable with each ones different characteristics. You’re on the right track, just dont give up if you dont see results right away. Finding your sweet spot can take some time. ---
**Author:** ![jimmerwi42](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jimmerwi42/32/991_2.png) [@jimmerwi42](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimmerwi42)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 2:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/7 "2007-10-07T02:08:42Z")
Dumb question but how do I know when i hit the sweeet spot? Jim ---
**Author:** ![snook\_assassin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snook_assassin/32/1107_2.png) [@snook\_assassin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snook_assassin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 2:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/8 "2007-10-07T02:36:16Z")
You’ll know. Women will be more flirtatious, smiley, even touchy feely. Men will be more respectful towards you, ask your opinions more, etc… They may be subtle, but once you know what you’re looking for, you will be amazed. You get my rep points for being inquisitive, and asking the questions that need to be answered for a newcomer. ---
**Author:** ![jimmerwi42](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jimmerwi42/32/991_2.png) [@jimmerwi42](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimmerwi42)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 2:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/9 "2007-10-07T02:41:25Z")
ok next question will it be a gradual increase oin attention so to speak or will it be nothing then suddenly happen as with some meds you need a certail concentration… next what is the effective range, guessing a few feet… ---
**Author:** ![snook\_assassin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snook_assassin/32/1107_2.png) [@snook\_assassin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snook_assassin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 2:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/10 "2007-10-07T02:46:41Z")
Well, with people you already know, it will be gradual. With people you’re first meeting, it will be nearly instantaneous, as few as 2 or 3 minutes. The effective range is a variable that you can determine on your own. In outdoor areas, it’s probably only going to be a few feet. But in a closed bar or club, office, business, etc, the range can be considerably more. I watched a girl last week trace my phero signature from across the club, literally with her nose in the air, until she found me and introduced herself. I was nearly ODing on -none that night though… which sometimes can be a good thing. Read the link at the bottom of my box for the Snook Book for more on that. ---
**Author:** ![jimmerwi42](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jimmerwi42/32/991_2.png) [@jimmerwi42](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimmerwi42)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/11 "2007-10-07T18:28:19Z")
This was so good i thinlk i should cross post it… hope that is ok! > [@Hi](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi/5891/11): > > Jimmer, a big welcome from Tater. > > What type of woman are you trying to attract? Age range/ethnicity in particular? Wow loaded question… Execlent question i didn;t think of this… Age, is easest, I am 47 (even if i don’t look like it) I would guess my targeted auidance would be to late 30’s to say 50 may go up or down a tad if special, The “power ally” (like baseball) being early-mid 40’s. Ethnicity, Cacuasian, Asain or Eur-Asain. Physicallity, i’ll toss that in cuz I think hormones play a role in how a woman is shaped… Ok think Meg Ryan… Medimum height 5-2 to 5-9 Medium to slim build (the power ally seems to be 5’ 5" - 5’-7" size 6-8)… I love leggs/butts (long and small being the ticket), boobs are nice, but not a requirment (34b is perfect). I would be describing your basic healthy jeans and T shirt country gal next door type look. Not big into make-up a little goes a long way, not into show ponies into go ponies! I guess you need to know what I am trying to project too… wow this is hard and a tough balance but here is my idea… Confidant but not arrogant or in your face, Slightly reserved but still very approachable Honest trustworthy open… Very sexy with a edge and a hint of playful mischeift if you can catch him 🙂. Ok Think maybe Tom Selic in quigly down under… Maybe a combanation of Sean Connery auora / mixed with Toby Keith playfulness. Does that make sense. My original Pic was me relaxed at home having fun, I will post my basic going out look. Or even better check out my pics on my myspace [MySpace.com - Jim - 47 - Male - UNION GROVE, Wisconsin - www.myspace.com/jimmer42](http://myspace.com/jimmer42) that will give you execlent idea of how I look, how I dress and my over all personality… That is why I was thinking mostly Ammo 2x a twist of A314, and a dash of Instant openness instant shine. now how to find the right combanation, and where to start that is the million dollar question. I know i need to experiment. But I don;t get alot of night out like the kids… If you had to pick an out of the gate recpiet for next saturday night what would you try, I am a relitive risk taker so what do you think off Ammo (double strenght) 2x, A314 1x, IO 2 IS 1 A note if it helps I know my testostorone is way down from my youth (have been tested) currently runs in the mid to lower range (getting old sucks) Ok you pro’s out there especally you ladies… how I pull this off… This was such a good question i will cross post it to my tread on men as well Jim ---
**Author:** ![snook\_assassin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snook_assassin/32/1107_2.png) [@snook\_assassin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snook_assassin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/12 "2007-10-07T19:25:52Z")
I think you have yourself one mighty fine phero combination there, bud. Run with it, and let me know how it works out for ya! BTW, when you’re going out, what kind of establishment do you go to? country bar? rocker bar? club? etc… ---
**Author:** ![jimmerwi42](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jimmerwi42/32/991_2.png) [@jimmerwi42](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimmerwi42)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 8:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/13 "2007-10-07T20:08:53Z")
> [@snook\_assassin](#): > > I think you have yourself one mighty fine phero combination there, bud. Run with it, and let me know how it works out for ya! BTW, when you’re going out, what kind of establishment do you go to? country bar? rocker bar? club? etc… Generally Country, but could also be rock, even could be the startbucks inside barns and noble. I am really expanding my horazions… Been out of the dating sean for 7 years and the old country bar I went is pretty couples orentated… So I am looking at other venues… I am thinking the Barns and noble starbucks and the strip bar might be good weekday testing grounds. B+N first for the low end tame side the Strip club later for a more extream night club setting… B+N you can sit read louter and watch on a low budget… Go in with fanny pack full of bottles, but nothing on and a note pad, sit a few, read, observe, step to the mens room, pop a shot of something, return, observe for change, take notes, repeat etc… You know the testing could be fun in and of itself. Ok how long after a shot to notice an effect normally? what is the observation period 30 minutes more? less? from there after a few days of testing, hit the strip club with the base formulia and just step it up from there. I know I must experiment but like i said at 47 I don’t go clubbing like younger folks (saturdays) maybe or maybe on a date for dinner stuff like that… Work will work for trying A314, but been there 9 years so won’t probably get as initial reaction… I am guessing you read the above book and what I am trying to achieve, and my target audiance… Bottom line is I have to start somewhere and i am not afraid to break some eggs to make an omlet… Ok , been reading like crazy but the learning curve is pretty steep… Am I seriously nuts and trying to run before I crawl. I think the Barns and Noble (starbucks) may be a fertile testing ground lots of women of all types, and you can hang put with a book, take notes, well lit so easy to observe… what you think… What do you think of the starting club combo of: Ammo (heavy) 2x (1 chest neck), A314 1x (wrists), [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) 2 inside elbows, Instant Shine 1x back of neck to tame to agressive? Jim ---
**Author:** ![snook\_assassin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snook_assassin/32/1107_2.png) [@snook\_assassin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snook_assassin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 8:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/14 "2007-10-07T20:42:42Z")
Well I know starbucks in general seems to be one of the favorite testing grounds for users on this forum, but I’m not sure if it would be different scenario considering that the one you’re speaking of is in a book store… That may change the approachable psyche of people in a bookstore environment. By all means, I think it’s worth a shot! Once you spray, the -mones are in the air immediately, and can last as long as 8 hours, although sprays generally last about 4-6, as a rule of thumb. some longer, some not as long… it all depends on the “weight” of the phero molecule in question. As far as your starting club combo goes, I think it looks good, except I would put the shine as a 2x, one to the Adam’s apple, one to the chest, next to, but not on top of, the Ammo shot. YOU want to be affected by that one, too, not just affect those around you. I really like your idea of walking into an establishment “dry”, and THEn applying the pheros to note changes in those around you. that sounds like the best possible way to note differing reactions in possible targets… I can’t believe I didn’t think of that first.. sheesh! ---
**Author:** ![jimmerwi42](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jimmerwi42/32/991_2.png) [@jimmerwi42](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimmerwi42)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 8:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/15 "2007-10-07T20:56:49Z")
> [@snook\_assassin](#): > > Well I know starbucks in general seems to be one of the favorite testing grounds for users on this forum, but I’m not sure if it would be different scenario considering that the one you’re speaking of is in a book store… snip > > I really like your idea of walking into an establishment “dry”, and THEn applying the pheros to note changes in those around you. that sounds like the best possible way to note differing reactions in possible targets… I can’t believe I didn’t think of that first.. sheesh! it is the Application Engineer in me, trial and error, cause and effect.. make a tweek and make note of the reacting change… I was thinking the B+N starbucks, since people can hang out longer, with out being obivious, you can write and take notes like your studying, wide age range, read a book… can carry a fanny pack… I would expect hits could be subtile, but you could ramp up pretty quickly figure it to be my Ammo Instant Shine [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) testing grounds… find a base line then for clubbing just amplify it… stoll reading everything and learning keep it comming… jim ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 10:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/16 "2007-10-07T22:46:48Z")
> [@](#): > > If you had to pick an out of the gate recpiet for next saturday night what would you try, I am a relitive risk taker so what do you think off > [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) (double strenght) 2x, A314 1x, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) 2 IS 1 Ok now remember your supposed to use them 1 at a time first but since none of us did it when we first got our stuff, what the hell LOL. Wear 2 shots of ammo cause you said your testo level is down. 1 shot of IO and 1 shot of shine. Wear the hat to (snort)😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![jimmerwi42](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jimmerwi42/32/991_2.png) [@jimmerwi42](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimmerwi42)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 11:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/17 "2007-10-07T23:02:50Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Ok now remember your supposed to use them 1 at a time first but since none of us did it when we first got our stuff, what the hell LOL. > > Wear 2 shots of ammo cause you said your testo level is down. 1 shot of Instant Openness and 1 shot of shine. > > Wear the hat to (snort)😉 > > Tisha Thanks, if you were in the bar and since ur snorting, would I add a shot of TUTH just for you! Them darn eyes! LOL… jim ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 11:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/18 "2007-10-07T23:40:11Z")
Shoot you found out my down fall, TUTH and a sexy black hat 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jimmerwi42](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jimmerwi42/32/991_2.png) [@jimmerwi42](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimmerwi42)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2007, 2:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/19 "2007-10-08T02:22:12Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Shoot you found out my down fall, Turn Up The Heat and a sexy black hat 😉 Ummm that is a sexy Black Stetson.. 🙂 Ok I will try experementing, but may not get there before a weekend or a date… Jim ---
**Author:** ![jimmerwi42](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jimmerwi42/32/991_2.png) [@jimmerwi42](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimmerwi42)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2007, 2:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893/20 "2007-10-08T02:38:21Z")
Hey what is the effect of this stuff when you bump into ex’s does it work on them as just like everyone else? Jim [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbe-be-gentle/5893.md?page=2)