# Newbie here, let the hazing begin! **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [November 10, 2008, 8:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735 "2008-11-10T08:42:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Spencer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spencer/32/701_2.png) [@Spencer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spencer)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 8:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735/1 "2008-11-10T08:42:52Z")
Hey everybody, My name’s Spencer and I live in Orange County, California. I’m currently 20 years old, turning 21 in about a week (November 17th to be exact) so basically 21 (woohoo). I’m a college student, looking to major in Sociology or Psychology (leaning towards Sociology). Sports is probably my number 1 interest with ice hockey being my favorite sport (go Ducks!). Outside of sports I like doing the normal things like hanging out with friends in various places, traveling, watching tv/movies, and going to amusement parks. _ **So why am I here exactly?** _ Well, this semester I’ve been taking a lot of physchology and Sociology classes which have brought up the topic of [Pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/), as well as how we as humans interact and make choices based upon numerous factors (Pheromones and other chemicals that invoke responses in our brains being one of them). It’s all very interesting to me so I started doing research which led me to this site. I can’t exactly remember where I was that linked me here, but I started from Google about 10 hours ago (with breaks inbetween, don’t worry!) and just kept reading sites and clicking more informative links. It’s fasinating to know humans have a basic attraction to others based on nothing more than exposure to chemicals, and being able to manipulate those chemicals and use them to your favor is an exciting prospect that I’m interested in trying out. I’ve already read a lot of post on this site, especially help topics, and topics covering individual pheromones that people here have used and reviewed as well as recommendations, but I would like to get some opinions on what I should use _ **based on what I’m looking for and my personality.** _ To start, I’m pretty introverted although I don’t struggle relating to people or having conversations when dialogue is open. Talking with people (on a one on one friendly basis) has always been a strength of mine. I enjoy laughing, and when in my confort zone, I am very relaxed, laid back, and funny. However, at times I struggle with being assertive especially with women. For example, say I see a good-looking girl sitting next to me in class, I may want to open up conversation, but I usually won’t unless it’s painfully obvious that she’s looking to talk to me. Also, I think I have too much of a friendly vibe, and not enough of an alpha sexual type vibe (which assertiveness plays a roll in), and both are important to have especially if I’m looking to get pass the “friendly occasional chat” stage with a women (which I am). _ **So what am I looking for out of Pheromones?** _ Well first I should mention what I know they can/can’t do. _ **Can’t:** _ I know spraying on Pheromones will not make a lot of women suddenly come up and start talking to me. Girls who don’t find me attractive won’t magically change their minds and want me. I know that using an assertive/sexual type Pheromone won’t make women think I’m better than any other guy and then want to have sex with me. They aren’t a cure for people who don’t try or who sit somewhere and hope women will notice them, then do all the courting. _ **Can** _: Since people pick up on other’s chemicals, I do believe they can help me get more non-verbal/verbal responses from women and more opportunities to approach them. I think they can also have an affect on me and the way I seem/act which in turn will show me as being more approachable. Subconciously, I think they’ll send signals to other people that without them I might not normally send. While they can’t do all the work for me, I do believe that they’ll affect me and others in a positive way (if I use the correct combinations in the right environment of course) which in turn will make socializing a whole lot easier and more fun. _ **OK, so now what am I looking for** _? I’m looking for something that will make people (women specifically) be more open and drawn to me, social, and loose around me. They’ll see me as comfortable, and will want to be around me. I’m also looking for some sex appeal and assertiveness. Being a man, I want exude manliness and sex appeal (I think I lack a little in this), but I also want to balance that by seeming very confortable, social, and fun. Basically the total package. I know this comes from within as well, but I’m looking for all those things to complement my own personality. I’ll probably be using these 2-4 times a week on average, so don’t worry about giving me a “stack” of Phermones. They’ll last me awhile, and it’s worth it to try these out. _ **Questions:** _ 1. Can I still wear deodarant and cologne with Pheromones (I know AMMO is based around being a cologne, but the others just have little or no scent) or will the scents somehow dillute them? 2. If using multiple Pheromones, can you spray different ones on the same areas, or will they mess each other up? 3. Is it basically the Pheromones you want yourself and others to experience the effects of go on the ear/neck area, then the ones you only want others to feel go on your arms/wrist/chest/hair? Well that’s me, sorry for the length! I’m sure you will all appreciate it though. Thanks for the warm welcome and all your help 🙂. - Spencer ---
**Author:** ![Tenant](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tenant/32/1668_2.png) [@Tenant](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tenant)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 8:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735/2 "2008-11-10T08:55:38Z")
Haha, hey Spence, Don’t worry. No hazing here. You’re not the first to be introduced to pheromones through sociology/psychology classes. I remember another user posting about a professor actually spraying some pheromone on some books, asking which students like which book better (just by appearance or something) and the book with the pheromones sprayed on it ‘won.’ Ok, so it sounds like you are interested in **opening communication pathways** as well as **romantic/relationship application** of pheromones\*\*. \*\*With respect to romantic applications, you want a **focus on developing comfort**. Does that capture what you are interested in? Well, for the communication part, look at IO (increases people’s chattiness) and IH (increases the intimacy of conversation in that people are more likely to tell you stuff like secrets, or _what they really think_). Look into Ammo to attract women, this is a general attractant that functions like a cologne. Then, to cultivate **comfort** , match it with IFM. IFM is right up your alley for making women feel comfortable around you. Heed the warnings about IFM’s potential negative effects–i.e. depressing effects–though, and pay careful attention to where you apply it. IO and IH can be used with Ammo and IFM too. Finally, to answer your questions: 1. Yes, you may still use deoderant and other colognes with pheromones. People have used AXE as a cover, even. 2. Yes, you may layer pheromones. The rule of thumb is to wait for one pheromone to dry or set before applying the next. 3. Yes, that is approximately correct for pheromones that elicit self effects. But, the overarching reason for applying around the ear, neck, arms, wrist, etc is because that is where your natural pheromones emanate from and this helps in the diffusion of [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) applied there. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 10:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735/3 "2008-11-10T10:14:17Z")
Hello and welcome to the forum. You about have the main concepts down here congratulations!! Tenant has given you some good advice. To add to his recommendations I would say to consider IH - it will help create feelings of connection and probably much deeper conversation. Now what Tenant told you about IO is true, but IH can be a big help also especially if you use it with IFM and IShine. Connection plus relaxation plus feeling happy. Very nice. Also for question #3. You can also spray your pheros to the back of your head if you want others to experience them more strongly than yourself. This is a good place to spray IO or IH if you want others to be gabby but maybe not so much yourself. Welcome again. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 10:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735/4 "2008-11-10T10:18:17Z")
awesome intro. hello and welcome. _ **Questions:** _ 1. Can I still wear deodarant and cologne with Pheromones (I know [AMMO](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is based around being a cologne, but the others just have little or no scent) or will the scents somehow dillute them? yes, you can still wear deodorant and cologne with pheromones, in fact, you probably should always wear them as most women don’t find the smell of feet, pits and ass crack too appealing. 1. If using multiple Pheromones, can you spray different ones on the same areas, or will they mess each other up? just like the previous poster mentioned, you can put one on top of another if that is your thing. you can also experiment with each product or molecule to determine specific parts of your body where diffusion is better, making it more suitable for one style of product and not so good for another. 1. Is it basically the Pheromones you want yourself and others to experience the effects of go on the ear/neck area, then the ones you only want others to feel go on your arms/wrist/chest/hair? this is a personal choice matter, thousands of us use them and probably in a thousand different ways. for example, i prefer to always put IFM on the back of my head, keeping it away from my nose but allowing for excellent diffusion into the air for whomever i might be sharing my space with. spaceland goes on the sides of my head, -none based products are typically put on either side of my neck as they tend to make me a bit aggressive if on the front of my throat, etc. experiment, test, rinse and repeat. we are all still learning here so share your results with us please! ---
**Author:** ![Spencer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spencer/32/701_2.png) [@Spencer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spencer)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 7:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735/5 "2008-11-10T19:19:03Z")
Thanks for all the welcoming comments and recommendations, I appreciate it! Your comments and recommendations lead me to a few more questions. _ **Questions** _: 1. Does anyone recommend using Come Talk To Me Mix 2 alone over using Instant Openness and Instant Honesty together? 2. Winter is coming which means warmer clothes for the most part (not everyday in Southern California, but it does get a little chilly haha). Should I spray my Pheromones only on my neck/hair/chest area, or should I still spray some on my wrist/arms even though they’ll be covered with clothing? 3. I’m looking to use AMMO, Instant Honesty and Instant Openness (or Come Talk To Me Mix 2) Instant Shine, and [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/). Should I still use Instant Female Magic if I’m going to use Instant Openness/Instant Honesty, or would that be too much? 4. Is what I’m looking to use too social based and not enough sexual appeal, or does the AMMO have enough sexual/alpha Pheromone to balanace the other social ones? I’m definitely looking to have a big social appeal, but I want some sexual/manly appeal too. I don’t want to come off as just the friendly, open guy, but I also don’t want to come off as to overbearing and distant. 5. Last but not least, AMMO acts as a cologne, so if using that should I not use my regular cologne? Or since I’d be using 3-4 different pheromones, it would be best to use a stronger cologne to masks the smells of all the pheromones? Thanks for the help! ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735/6 "2008-11-11T01:47:11Z")
hey spencer, i just got my bottle of CTTM 2 yesterday afternoon, i tried it for the first time last night and will put a report in the men’s forum once i get settled in here at the office. i’ve used both instant openness and instant honesty many times over the last few years. regarding winter, body heat and diffusion go hand in hand i think. more body heat escapes through your head than anywhere else, so personally i would use most of the social products in my hair if i had to cover up due to cooler weather. regarding your question 3, each of those products can be used together, from my experience. IFM is a personal favorite of mine and it has a distinctly different signature than IO or IH. they make for a great combo, as does IFM with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), fantastic. regarding 4, ammo has only 2.5mcg -none (i think), if you use each of those other products together with 1 spray ammo, the ammo would be there but insignificant apart from smelling good. tread carefully around -none products however as less is usually more when it comes to that powerful stuff. as always, i’d recommend trying each of those products out a few times by themselves before lumping them together. it is important to be able to attribute reactions to something and if you just take a bath in all of your products you won’t know which ones hit and which ones didn’t. ammo is cologne, and a pretty damn good one according to most. they did just release a new version though scented with the game instead of the original. the other products you mention are probably scented with neroli and when i spray them in my hair i tend not to use any additional colognes but rather using a liberal spray of an axe type deodorant. i think women are better suited to wearing perfumes and scents than men so i rarely add additional colognes on top of -mone cologne and other pheros. ---
**Author:** ![Spencer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spencer/32/701_2.png) [@Spencer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spencer)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 2:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735/7 "2008-11-11T02:01:06Z")
Thanks for the reply! I guess then in colder weather I’ll try to get most of them in my neck/hair/ear areas so they aren’t covered by clothes. I’ll definitely try each one out seperately to see how they actually work alone. In this next week I’m going to pay closer attention to the way people respond to me in my current state so I can have something to compare it to after using the Pheromones. I’m for sure going to get Instant Shine, AMMO, and [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/). I just can’t decide on the combo of Instant Honesty/Instant Openness or CTTM 2 so I look forward to reading your experience! This will definitely be a big order haha. ---
**Author:** ![Perrai](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/perrai/32/293_2.png) [@Perrai](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Perrai)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 2:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735/8 "2008-11-11T02:12:24Z")
Wow great intro =] lol love ur grammar lol. if u can tell i have grammar nazi’s after me lol. from one to noob(me) to another more educated sounding noob(you) hello =] Question1 I would mix CTMT 2 with IH or IO just for the fact it might provoke an better conversation. But if you want to go in with CTMT 2 will still work remember it all depends on you.The pheromones just might help get a spark started. Question2 Like josef said your hair might be the best area to apply most products.also u might want to try some to go sprays when ur indoors. question 3 nope if u read other ppl post u can see some ppl use like to me what seems like an insane amount of pheromones. XD i felt like posting anyways =] ---
**Author:** ![Spencer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spencer/32/701_2.png) [@Spencer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spencer)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 2:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735/9 "2008-11-11T02:50:42Z")
Hey, nice to meet you. I don’t get too mad at bad grammer (I used to spend many hours on AOL instant messenger), but it is nice if it’s at least readable. Thanks for saying I sound educated though haha, always a nice complement. Since CTTM 2 has the same stuff that Instant Openess and Instant Honesty has (just it’s 50% one 50% the other from what I’ve read), I don’t think it would be beneficial to have CTTM 2 and then use [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) or Instant Honesty on top of that. If you wanted, say, 70% Instant Openness and 30% Instant Honesty, it would be cheaper and easier to just buy Instant Honesty and Instant Openness by themselves. I’m just not sure if 50% of each would be better than being able to switch it up at times. It would be cheaper, but buying them seperate does allow for more custom mixes (as well as trying each out seperately). I guess I’m learning towards getting them seperate. ---
**Author:** ![Spencer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spencer/32/701_2.png) [@Spencer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spencer)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 3:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735/10 "2008-11-11T03:27:57Z")
Hm, it seems P83 might be a good one to try too. It might give me some of that sexiness I’m looking for. Maybe CTTM 2, P83, Instant Shine, Ammo, and [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/)? Any thoughts about that mix, it seems pretty balanced to me: Social appeal: CTTM 2, Instant Female Magic, Instant Shine Sex appeal: P83 Misc/manly: Ammo Thoughts? Maybe from Tisha if she’s around as well. I’ve read a lot of her guides and they have all been great. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 7:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735/11 "2008-11-11T07:10:50Z")
Hi Spencer and welcome to PheroTalk. I love your introduction thread, because you read around the forum, gathered the information you sought and then asked the questions you still had. Brilliant my friend, brilliant. Its a great intro thread and deserves reps from me. I think it was so good it blew Ms Tisha23 out of the water and she missed you. That does not happen very often. I’m sure she would have been around to issue the GC, but there’s been a lot happening in our lovely hostesses life. She still loves you though, you can be sure of that. I read your other post about the mix combo and its basically what I wear often. Normally though, being that I am so much older, I amp up the -none content, but you do not need to do that. I know a lot of users who love mixing [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) with -none and get very flirty fun results. I think you will see some great results, but all the same Putatives are experimental and as such are non refundable. Still though, if I were going to recommend a putative it would be P83. I love me some IFM too. Great stuff that I get great results off of. Lately I have been using serious honesty in my game and IFM keeps them close. CTTM is basically a combo of IO and IH and is great for bars and the likes. The only thing about a formula such as CTTM is if you want more IH than IO there is no separation. You can pretty much get the same results by spraying equal sprays of IO to IH. With separate bottles you are in control of how you regulate them. I love my CTTM but I also love the IH more than I love the IO so I like being able to have separate ones. IShine is just an all around use mone and will set you free from the tyranny and unjust in this world. Love it got to have it. **Anyway I will be sending your GC here in a few minutes**. Welcome to the forum 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Spencer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spencer/32/701_2.png) [@Spencer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spencer)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 7:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735/12 "2008-11-11T07:53:02Z")
Thanks Steve for the great response and feedback (not to mention the rep!). Always nice to blow people away 🆒. I was thinking about switching out the Ammo for Alpha A314, but as you said I shouldn’t need the added -none, and if I end up needing it I can always use more Ammo due to the less percentage of cologne. Plus, it’s only my first order, I have no doubts I’ll be back for more. I’m going to go ahead and place my order of P83, CTTM 2, Instant Shine, Ammo, and [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) and start testing it out. I’ll be sure to post about my experiences with each individual pheromone and of course the eventual mixing and matching. Should be fun! Thank you for GC, I appreciate it! Spencer ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 1:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735/13 "2008-11-12T01:25:04Z")
Hello Spencer, I had to pop in and say excellent intro. Rep points for you 😉 > [@](#): > > I think it was so good it blew Ms Tisha23 out of the water and she missed you. That does not happen very often. I’m sure she would have been around to issue the GC, but there’s been a lot happening in our lovely hostesses life. She still loves you though, you can be sure of that. I am sorry I missed you, and Steve is right I do still love you, I love all the new members. 😃 I had had a tough week though. I think you got great product advice from the guys and I welcome you to Pherotalk. I look forward to seeing you in the forum. Have fun (((((Hugs))))) Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Spencer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spencer/32/701_2.png) [@Spencer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spencer)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-here-let-the-hazing-begin/22735/14 "2008-11-13T00:25:43Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I am sorry I missed you, and Steve is right I do still love you, I love all the new members. 😃 I had had a tough week though. And here I thought I was special. Haha just kidding 😉. Sorry for your tough week, I hope it improves for you! Thanks for the welcome. I received my order today, and it was perfect. Thanks Amy for the nice note on my invoice and for the free to go of [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/)! I have a lot of testing and experimenting to do. I think I’m going to test out each product (6 in total) alone for 3 days at varying sprays and places to see how they act alone. Then onto mixing! Lots of work ahead of me, but I’ll be sure to let everyone know how each individual tests went.