# Newbie looking for suggestions of products.... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 18, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-looking-for-suggestions-of-products/15760 "2008-07-18T02:54:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-looking-for-suggestions-of-products/15760/1 "2008-07-18T02:54:47Z")
… I’m fully set to proceed with trying some pheromones out. It’s summer time here in Canada, and the weather is humid like nuts and hopefully I get this stuff before the weather gets cooler. Seems this is the season best for this stuff when there is lots of eye candy out you want to connect with and hopefully convert to arm candy… First background of myself and personality: - tend to be moody and get discouraged by approaching girls due to negative speculations and thoughts. (Instant Shine may be helpful as it’s high on self-effects) - tend to seek out validation from female attention (Instant Gentleman may be helpful as it has a self-effect of a cool gentleman vibe that doesn’t need validation from females). Those two products alone have had positive reports from their self-effects – that way I wont feel like I’m using [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) as a crutch for my lack of game since these two particular products would just help put me in a right frame of mind. I’m confused about Instant Shine vs Instant Gentleman – I’m 32 years old, perhaps Instant Gentleman would be more congruent with my age than Instant Shine which is more youthful? Or both are just as good? People say I look like I’m 25 years old in person – I don’t look old. Where I tend to go out: - Most of the time I’m by myself and do not interact with people. When I do, other than occasional dates with women, I’m centered around the office, church and shopping. I do not really have a life. (It would seem that To-Go bottles sound like they are the best bet because you basically use them on specific times that you need them, especially if you spend most time by yourself. It would also seem that 1 Ammo with 2 Instant Gentleman would product optimal results with social pheromones to help encourage socialising in general) So, it seems like Instant Openness (normal bottle), Instant Honesty (normal bottle), Instant Gentleman (unsure of bottle), Ammo (to go?), and possibly Instant Shine (normal bottle) is a must - with either to-go or normal bottles…any comments are appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![Savage\_mone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/savage_mone/32/1792_2.png) [@Savage\_mone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Savage_mone)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 3:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-looking-for-suggestions-of-products/15760/2 "2008-07-18T03:04:21Z")
I am new to this.. Got it today. However I seriously am addicted to them already. I realize they may not work for everyone, but they certainly do for me. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) turned my day which was looking like a 2.3 on a scale of 10 to a nice 7-8.5 … I mean that’s almost vacation level on my scale. Instant Shine makes me feel so good I almost do not care how others react to me. (which I think plays a large role into getting hits). Plus it makes them feel good. Instant Shine is a must. Ammo has been meeting my expectations as well .. as I have used the combo. Nice is all I can say. Not promising that I wont ever have a bad day… However it is a tad difficult to not see the silver lining with this stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 4:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-looking-for-suggestions-of-products/15760/3 "2008-07-18T04:17:37Z")
… my mom is a witch, and I’m going to have to move out of here before trying out these products, which I intend to do. Heck, maybe my imposing mom is the reason I’m not successful with the ladies because I can never be a ‘real man’ with her around. ---
**Author:** ![K24](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k24/32/1513_2.png) [@K24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K24)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 8:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-looking-for-suggestions-of-products/15760/4 "2008-07-18T08:43:14Z")
I feel you buddy you have my support 🙂, move outta there and start your own life, but be nice to her no matter how crazy and witchy she is because if you don’t you will regret one day 😛 ammo, Ishine, IO, IH, and IG are all great choices, keep us informed. I’v heard great things about IG and it will definitely be in my next order. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 1:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-looking-for-suggestions-of-products/15760/5 "2008-07-18T13:11:09Z")
You should not be without Shine - Not a problem at all combining shine and gentleman - You get the slightly older, little bit cooler + happy, fun vibe ---
**Author:** ![GuySajer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/guysajer/32/446_2.png) [@GuySajer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GuySajer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 2:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-looking-for-suggestions-of-products/15760/6 "2008-07-18T14:39:09Z")
Shine’s effect is very subte on me. I use it more as a factor to steer my mixes. That being said, it is effective at that. You say that you put alot of thought into getting validation from women. This could come across in your body language and make you appear as lower-value. I think that you could really benefit from A314. Its self-effects are most prominent for me, same with the effects on others. The pheromone itself makes you appear as being higher value and produces a snowball effect- people start treating you with more respect and this in turn adds to your value. So it’s a double-whammy. An A314, Ammo and Shine mix, plus a few drinks is magic. Everyone gets a little nervous before approaching girls, it’s human nature, but I promise you that the masculine pheromones will take the edge off, while making you appear as higher value at the same time. Get A314, get Ammo, get Shine and get one of the socials. [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) sounds good too, but I definitely don’t think that you should go without A314. Go out and do your thing with these pheromones on and try to become more and more congruent with them each time. You’re in your 30’s, so you could get away with buying Heavy Ammo (double strength). ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 5:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-looking-for-suggestions-of-products/15760/7 "2008-07-19T05:18:12Z")
> [@Luke\_Skywalker](#): > > Heck, maybe my imposing mom is the reason I’m not successful with the ladies because I can never be a ‘real man’ with her around. That’s a bit of a stretch. I’m not saying you shouldn’t move out, but, for some things you do have to take responsibility, otherwise you are deluding yourself. I think you need to try out a little TAK or WAGG. TAK is an Androtics product and you can buy it from the Smartmones store, and it is dosed in a spray bottle. I recommend getting it with the neroli. 10-12.5mcgs is a good dose/spray, 12.5 seems better with the “to Go” bottle. I’m not sure TAK is covered by the guarantee, though, so find out first. Also, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, and [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) are all good. I’m not a huge fan of Instant Shine anymore, but you might like it. Also, I don’t think it’s good to be seeking validation from anybody but yourself (or God, since you seem to be religious, why not?). There will always be people that don’t like you, it doesn’t necessarily mean you are “invalid”. The whole world could indeed be wrong about a great many things, embracing a great deal of delusional thinking that is ultimately pointless, even if it feels quite the opposite subjectively. You have to trust in yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Forte](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.forte/32/1294_2.png) [@Mr.Forte](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Forte)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 3:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-looking-for-suggestions-of-products/15760/8 "2008-07-19T15:26:33Z")
You got the right idea alright…ill just add my suggestion because i like to see knew folks getting started. AMMO - smells good and attracts the ladies, buy reg size bottle and use it [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) - makes em smile and feel good and comfortable when you are around. with some smooth conversation skills this is leathal. Instant Shine - The best thing since sliced bread, makes you and everyone else feel great. gives off a vibrant glow about yourself to others. I recommend buying big bottles of all three…i have instant honesty and TUTH in to-go size because i dont use them as much…but the three i mentioned above (i like to call the combo…the trifecta!) is killer, it will deffinatly get you in the door with women…you still have to have the game to pull them tho… ---
**Author:** ![Savage\_mone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/savage_mone/32/1792_2.png) [@Savage\_mone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Savage_mone)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 4:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-looking-for-suggestions-of-products/15760/9 "2008-07-19T16:38:39Z")
> [@Mr.Forte](#): > > (i like to call the combo…the trifecta!) is killer, it will deffinatly get you in the door with women…you still have to have the game to pull them tho… I have to concur with this. I have those 3 and without question they have helped me… and I could not imagine returning this stuff ever! Maybe a bad batch happens sometimes?? After last night I have a newfound respect for the Openess - It is going to be in my hands in a big bottle soon! ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-looking-for-suggestions-of-products/15760/10 "2008-07-19T19:40:29Z")
I don’t know if you just overlooked it, or what, but the fact that you are considering buying [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) over A314 is intriguing to me. I rather like it. 🙂 I’d say both of those are great. Instant Gentleman is very smooth, comfortable, and warm. Think Burberry…I really enjoy it. It’s good for pretty much any situation, and just well received overall. Instant Shine is fun. Hell, fun doesn’t cut it. It’s like a truckload of fun. 😃 You feel good, the people around you feel good. It literally makes everyone’s day better. People are just _drawn_ to you. Like moths to a flame.. I would also recommend Instant Honesty. You might have some really interesting conversations with that one. Be careful around your mom though, or at least, make sure you’re fully aware of its effects before wearing it around your mom. The other two, IS and Instant Gentleman, I wouldn’t hesitate to wear around her. Instant Openness is cool too. It’s not my favorite as I find it’s just too much chatter, but ymmv. Ammo I would recommend seeing as you’re 32. Not implying anything, I’ve just recommended it to a couple guys I know your age and it did wonders for them. However, it may not be your cup of tea. It wasn’t really for one of my friends, it’s not my favorite either. I’d get a full bottle of Instant Shine and Instant Gentleman. I would get a to-go of Instant Openness and Instant Honesty to see which one you prefer, and to compare/contrast them. To-go of Ammo to see if it’s your cup of tea. Then again, you could probably apply the same logic to IS and Instant Gentleman, to see if you like them. But if I knew then what I know now, I’d get full bottles of those.