# Newbie questions(scent of eros, alpha 7 and Liquid trust) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 10, 2009, 12:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177 "2009-10-10T12:02:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pinkydapimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9a140/32.png) [@pinkydapimp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pinkydapimp)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 12:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/1 "2009-10-10T12:02:03Z")
So my buddy recently bought pherlure and we wore it out and noticed some results. So i started doing research on it and found my way here. It has been very intriguing learning about [pheromones](https://a314.com/). So i ended up buying Scent of Eros, Alpha 7 and Liquid Trust. I have read some of the faqs and just wanted some suggestion as to how a 31 year old male should begin to experiment with this stuff. I have read to try 1 spray, then 2 and so on. SHould i start with 2 since i am older? Also, Scent or Eros is a roll on i believe, so do i just do a dab? how do i know exactly how much to put on? Has anyone mixed any combination of these? Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![zodiacore](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zodiacore/32/480_2.png) [@zodiacore](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zodiacore)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 12:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/2 "2009-10-10T12:21:58Z")
Well first off, things that I bought at Love Scent diddn’t seem to work for me at all exept Chikara may have once but I think it was just a mix of coincidence and placebo so that made me come here with a slight doubt I don’t hate Love Scent I just don’t think their set mixes work for me. Then I tried Instant Openness for the first time from Androtics Direct and had an amazing conversation filled day. FYI Instant Openness is a [social pheromone](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) made for friendliness and that’s exactly what it did. ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/3 "2009-10-10T13:30:20Z")
I don’t know about the Alpha 7 or Liquid Trust (I think LT got pretty bad reviews as a general consensus) but Scent of Eros has some very good reviews. It’s a great product. To answer your question about dose…I’d say at 31 you’d be fine with starting with 2 sprays & working your way up 🙂 Don’t jump onto combo’s just yet! Start testing each phero individually first to get your head around how to use them, what effects they each give and what your best dose (“sweet spot”) for each is. With un-scented products. Dab or roll-on onto pulse points, wait for it to dry down completely and then you can use your normal cologne spritzed ontop 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 1:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/4 "2009-10-10T13:33:43Z")
> [@zodiacore](#): > > Well first off, things that I bought at Love Scent diddn’t seem to work for me at all exept Chikara may have once but I think it was just a mix of coincidence and placebo so that made me come here with a slight doubt I don’t hate Love Scent I just don’t think their set mixes work for me. That doesn’t surprise me much 🙂 Chiakara has some very average reviews, most say it’s far to weak to give much effect so if that was the only one you got results with that would make sense. At 17 you already have a really high natural phero production so if you add phero’s (in particular -none containing ones) you will very easily OD and get either nothing or the opposite effect of what you were hoping for. The phero’s that work the best for someone your age are the socials like IO, IS etc 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 2:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/5 "2009-10-10T14:22:56Z")
I have all three products, Liquid trust did nothing other than make people think I was drinking wine in the middle of the day. Possibly due to me spraying 4-5 sprays of the stuff more alcohol than oxytocin. SoE is a very good product in my opinion. Not overtly sexual (more sensual) but works well. Start off with a couple of inches on each wrist over the pulse points and maybe a dab behind each ear. A7 another absolute gem, is very strong/potent so start off with one drop (my application usual place is to the chest). Experimentation is key, just play around and find the most effective quantity of each for you. 🙂 As for Chikara been through half a bottle with no decent results. Had a few mild hits but not worth purchasing it again. ---
**Author:** ![zodiacore](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zodiacore/32/480_2.png) [@zodiacore](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zodiacore)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 2:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/6 "2009-10-10T14:26:11Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > That doesn’t surprise me much 🙂 Chiakara has some very average reviews, most say it’s far to weak to give much effect so if that was the only one you got results with that would make sense. At 17 you already have a really high natural phero production so if you add phero’s (in particular -none containing ones) you will very easily OD and get either nothing or the opposite effect of what you were hoping for. The phero’s that work the best for someone your age are the socials like IO, IS etc 🙂 lol yeah your right! I used IO with TAA and had great results 🙂 because I know teens especially ones with type O blood like me produce alot of none. I learned that the hard way with an early OD experience. That sucked ---
**Author:** ![peregrine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/peregrine/32/499_2.png) [@peregrine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/peregrine)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/7 "2009-10-10T14:35:52Z")
AHHHHHHH…you musta fell for that fellows review like I did. Using these 3 together will instantly get your brains f\*cked out and guarantee a win if running for senate. LOL. I think that report was planted. Anyway, LT produced no result for me. A7 is strong and stinky, but SOE is a damn good product. LS is a good company, and their forum is also very informative. I have a lot of their products and found some success, but have had more results w/ AD’s products. IG, IS, and ammo have been winners so far. ---
**Author:** ![pinkydapimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9a140/32.png) [@pinkydapimp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pinkydapimp)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/8 "2009-10-10T14:45:21Z")
> [@peregrine](#): > > AHHHHHHH…you musta fell for that fellows review like I did. Using these 3 together will instantly get your brains f\*cked out and guarantee a win if running for senate. LOL. I think that report was planted. Anyway, LT produced no result for me. A7 is strong and stinky, but SOE is a damn good product. LS is a good company, and their forum is also very informative. I have a lot of their products and found some success, but have had more results w/ AD’s products. IG, IS, and ammo have been winners so far. yup. lol. it probably was planted. However, as i read through the forum it seems that people have had a good deal of success with alpha 7 and SOE if im not mistaken. Either way im looking forward to doing the research myself. you said A7 is stinky? how so? will cologne cover it up? I got the scented version if that changes anything. Someone mentioned to start of with a couple of inches of SOE? what exactly does that mean? thanks. ---
**Author:** ![LaPew](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lapew/32/330_2.png) [@LaPew](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LaPew)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 10:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/9 "2009-10-10T22:31:14Z")
> [@pinkydapimp](#): > > you said A7 is stinky? how so? will cologne cover it up? I got the scented version if that changes anything. In general even so called “unscented” pheromones have an odor. How much of one depends on many factors including target sensitivity, your own body chemistry, pheromones involved, and the strength of the cover scent (if there is one). Can’t speak to A7 in particular because I’ve never tried it, but for maximum effectiveness a fragrance of some sort is vital. Even the most perfect pheromone mix will be hampered if it lacks a decent carrier for the molecules to latch onto. Something that was clarified after running test with scented and [unscented pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/stealth-unfragranced/) and then adding an additional cover fragrance. Take Ammo for instance, I found this product even more so then others, to be very dependent on good sillage. Only Androtics probably knows why but Ammo (original scent) = reactions, unscented Ammo (w/o cover) = nothing. > [@pinkydapimp](#): > > Someone mentioned to start of with a couple of inches of SOE? what exactly does that mean? thanks. Scent of Eros comes with a roll on applicator so people who have it reference dosage as length. ---
**Author:** ![funtimes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@funtimes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/funtimes)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 11:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/10 "2009-10-10T23:07:21Z")
I was looking at liquid trust months ago, but didnt buy due to the price. Calling the company was weird too. Sometimes they would answer other times you would have to leave a message and hope they get back to you. Made me decide against it. After reading these forums I decided to buy here and the great thing about that is, you actually get the people who work here to answer the phone. They see what you are like and try to help you. I look forward to testing the products I bought and sharing my results. ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/11 "2009-10-10T23:45:52Z")
> [@Rattlesnake](#): > > Liquid trust did nothing other than make people think I was drinking wine in the middle of the day. Possibly due to me spraying 4-5 sprays of the stuff more alcohol than oxytocin. You could shower in it and it’ll do nothing 🙄 Oxytocin has a halflife of only a few minutes (which is why the production is more or less continous during childbirth) & it doesn’t work outside the body… ---
**Author:** ![pinkydapimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9a140/32.png) [@pinkydapimp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pinkydapimp)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/12 "2009-10-12T01:27:07Z")
So i have another question. If i am outside will that change the effectiveness of the products? I will be at a big party that will be outdoors this weekend and want to try these out. I just bought TUTH(to go), IS(to go), A314 and IG(to go) to add to my starter kit. i dont know where i will start. but it ought to be fun! ---
**Author:** ![peregrine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/peregrine/32/499_2.png) [@peregrine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/peregrine)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/13 "2009-10-12T03:02:41Z")
> [@pinkydapimp](#): > > So i have another question. If i am outside will that change the effectiveness of the products? I will be at a big party that will be outdoors this weekend and want to try these out. > > I just bought TUTH(to go), IS(to go), A314 and IG(to go) to add to my starter kit. > > i dont know where i will start. but it ought to be fun! It’s best to try each one separately. As a general rule of thumb guys our age should be able to wear more ~none. It is, however, completely up to the individual. I workout and have still have the sex drive of an 18 yr. old. I’m beginning to think that for me any amount of ~none is causing ghosting. If you insist on mixing start w/ IS/IG. Both are ~none free I believe produced great results this weekend. Being outside is a great place to test mones. I was in bar awhile back w/ a fan blowing across me. It created a phero cloud downwind and girls took notice.😃 You may have to stay closer to your audience to make sure they get a whiff. And yes, phero testing is ALWAYS an adventure. ---
**Author:** ![pinkydapimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9a140/32.png) [@pinkydapimp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pinkydapimp)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 12:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/14 "2009-10-12T12:33:45Z")
> [@peregrine](#): > > It’s best to try each one separately. As a general rule of thumb guys our age should be able to wear more ~none. It is, however, completely up to the individual. I workout and have still have the sex drive of an 18 yr. old. I’m beginning to think that for me any amount of ~none is causing ghosting. If you insist on mixing start w/ IS/IG. Both are ~none free I believe produced great results this weekend. Being outside is a great place to test mones. I was in bar awhile back w/ a fan blowing across me. It created a phero cloud downwind and girls took notice.😃 You may have to stay closer to your audience to make sure they get a whiff. And yes, phero testing is ALWAYS an adventure. I have read IG has ~none. maybe im mistaken. Also i got the x2 IS. should i start with 1 spray? If you had to choose just 1 of my arsenal to start testing, which 1 would it be? ---
**Author:** ![peregrine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/peregrine/32/499_2.png) [@peregrine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/peregrine)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/15 "2009-10-12T13:16:20Z")
> [@pinkydapimp](#): > > I have read IG has ~none. maybe im mistaken. Also i got the x2 IS. should i start with 1 spray? If you had to choose just 1 of my arsenal to start testing, which 1 would it be? IG is primarily ~rone. If there is ~none in it I would think it’s less than in A314, thus the less “in your face” results. Start out w/ any of your social mixes, SOE, IS, ect. For ISx2 1 spray is a good start. W/ SOE a lot of users on the LS site wear between 20-30 inches. Start w/ smaller doses and take the products w/ you. If you don’t see hits slightly up the doses. Once you get a baseline on your social mones start applying 1 drop or 1 spray of A7, or TUTH, ect. Remember finding your sweet spot takes time. Take it slow or you’ll waste a lot of your product like I did.☹ ---
**Author:** ![pinkydapimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9a140/32.png) [@pinkydapimp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pinkydapimp)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 1:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/16 "2009-10-12T13:22:02Z")
> [@peregrine](#): > > IG is primarily ~rone. If there is ~none in it I would think it’s less than in A314, thus the less “in your face” results. Start out w/ any of your social mixes, SOE, IS, ect. For ISx2 1 spray is a good start. W/ SOE a lot of users on the LS site wear **between 20-30 inches**. Start w/ smaller doses and take the products w/ you. If you don’t see hits slightly up the doses. Once you get a baseline on your social mones start applying 1 drop or 1 spray of A7, or TUTH, ect. Remember finding your sweet spot takes time. Take it slow or you’ll waste a lot of your product like I did.☹ so that means rolling it up both arms? Also, where should i apply each? And which ones need a cover? ---
**Author:** ![peregrine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/peregrine/32/499_2.png) [@peregrine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/peregrine)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-questions-scent-of-eros-alpha-7-and-liquid-trust/33177/17 "2009-10-12T13:34:10Z")
> [@pinkydapimp](#): > > so that means rolling it up both arms? Also, where should i apply each? And which ones need a cover? I apply SOE in 3" strips next to each other. Apply to wrists, neck, chest, ect. If you have the unscented version it’ll definitely require a cover. Let it dry first. 30" of SOE is a lot to cover, and can cause scent OD. I cut my cover scents in an atomizer w/ 50/50 grain alcohol. It allows you to spray on more areas w/out over doing it. All the products I’ve purchased from AD smell good enough to wear w/out covering…except A314…that’s a different story.😉