# Newbie seeks meaningful pheromone experience **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 11:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-seeks-meaningful-pheromone-experience/30979 "2009-07-24T23:28:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cherrypie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f17d59/32.png) [@cherrypie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/cherrypie)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 11:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-seeks-meaningful-pheromone-experience/30979/1 "2009-07-24T23:28:40Z")
I’m a 21-year-old SWF who enjoys literature, politics, and discussing things over a glass of beer. Looking for one (or more) men. Seriously though, I am a cute (I work as a model) 21-year-old who has never had a boyfriend. Not quite as bad as the poor 29-year-old guy down there, but still a bit perplexed. I get a LOT of first dates, but hardly any second dates … and forget fifth dates! My friends (male and female) all tell me that I am beautiful and smart, but they cannot quite put a finger on what it is that fails to keep the guys coming back for more. I’ve been stalking the women’s phero forum for a while now, and have finally decided to check it out. The one thing that’s been keeping me from trying it out is the fact that I live in Canada, and shipping costs to get stuff a mere hop across the border are outrageous! (And, being a student, my disposable income is more of an idea than a reality.) But at this point, I think the potential for success is greater than the risk. Any special comments on what I should try to catch boys after date one? ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 11:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-seeks-meaningful-pheromone-experience/30979/2 "2009-07-24T23:33:17Z")
Hi Cherry, welcome to the forum. I don’t know you so I could be wrong. This doesn’t sound like a mone issue. Perhaps it’s a social issue?? Are you outgoing? Stick around, mones are great, but most of us are here for all around self improvement, mones and all. ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 11:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-seeks-meaningful-pheromone-experience/30979/3 "2009-07-24T23:33:28Z")
Hey cherrypie!! I love your name btw!! lol cute! Welcome to the forum, it’s nice to have more ladies here! Sorry to hear that you hardly get any second dates… hey it happens, I’m sure you’ll be more successful in the future! There are so many ladies here that will give you excellent dating advice! As for the products, you MUST have instant sexiness. It’s a must must must in every woman’s arsenal lol There are 2 types though, there is instant sexiness A and [instant sexiness B](https://phera.com/product/kitten/) Instant sexiness A: is like angelina jolie in a bottle, strong, confident and sexy Instant sexiness B: is like marilyn munroe in a bottle, cute, cuddly and kittenish so it depends what kind of personality you have, but I highly suggest you get a to-go bottle of each though. Is there anything else you have in mind? ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-seeks-meaningful-pheromone-experience/30979/4 "2009-07-25T00:15:08Z")
HI cherrypie, Welcome to the forum. You can try to get the $25 gift certificate for your purchase. You can also go for the togo bottles which are more economical. As for your case, I suggest you try IO and [INstant Sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/). IO will open up the men and make them want to talk to you. It gives you an edge in getting men to talk to you. Instant Sexiness will make men think you are sexy and attractive. IS A is more towards dominant and tougher vibe while IS B is more towards softer and feminine vibe. Good luck to you ---
**Author:** ![moonwhisper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/moonwhisper/32/1735_2.png) [@moonwhisper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/moonwhisper)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-seeks-meaningful-pheromone-experience/30979/5 "2009-07-25T01:42:51Z")
Hi cherrypie, welcome to the forum. There is so much that you can accomplish with pheromones, as I’m sure you’ve seen while browsing here. For a lot of information in a short time, try reading the stickies at the top of the various forum sections. They are jam-packed with good ideas and information. There are a few that are just so wonderful and versatile that everyone should give them a try, in my opinion. Instant Shine is one of those. It is a mood brightener, and makes people feel good, you included. It seems to make everyone more cheerful, and it can really take the edge off a bad mood. [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) will make conversing with others easier. It gives people a chatty feeling and makes them want to talk. It also makes you seem more approachable. Instant Honesty is a great trust pheromone that encourages others to open up on a deeper, more intimate level. Instant Sexiness is incredible. Instant Sexiness A is confident, in-charge, seductress sexy. Instant Sexiness B is softer, more demure, girly sexy. You can either choose which one is most congruent with your personality, or you can choose the one that off-sets you and emphasizes points that might otherwise go unnoticed. Better yet, do what MsSelva said, get both in to-go form and try them out. Then you’ll know for sure what you want. Glad you’re here. This is the beginning of an adventure, hope you’re enjoying it. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 4:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-seeks-meaningful-pheromone-experience/30979/6 "2009-07-25T04:52:57Z")
Welcome, CherryPie! I agree with Jim, I don’t think pheromones are going to be your primary answer. That said… I think you can use pheromones to your advantage in at least two ways. Obviously, Instant Sexiness… although you may have to be careful with it… because your problem might be that you make the guys feel like you are out of their league already. (I don’t know… not enough info. But as a photographer, I see that happen a lot with models.) Secondly, [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/)… used at the right dose, you may be able to get them to spill their secrets and what they’re REALLY thinking, without doing the same. That’s what I’d try for… get some of that, use it and get acclimated to it, and then spring it on Date Guy and see what he’s really thinking. It’ll probably take 4+ sprays of single strength… and you should make sure you know how it affects you first. You’l get lots of advice and help here, but of course we can only help as much as we have enough information to be helpful with. So don’t be shy! ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-seeks-meaningful-pheromone-experience/30979/7 "2009-07-27T20:27:31Z")
Hello and welcome to the forum cherrypie. It’s always nice to have another pretty young lady around. I understand your disposable income issue but really $14.95 for shipping to Canada is the best I have ever seen. I’m sure **the $25 GC I am sending** and the $5.00 in rewards points will help as well. I’m going to skip the [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) advice for now, since I do believe you have gotten some excellent advice already. I really have nothing to add to it. I will however, tell you my personal opinions and issues I come across and why I couldn’t;t call back a girl after the first date. Perhaps these might help you. I absolutely do not like when a girl interviews me on a date. We will get to know each other through conversation. Lets talk about fun and interesting things and figure out where we work, what kind of car do we drive, whats my favorite movie stuff later. It’s always so much more fun to find out about a favorite movie by going to one and experiencing it, but only after a few times of going out. I also don’t call back if the girl is not adventurous. One time I asked a girl to go hiking with me along the Mississippi river. She was like umm no I’d rather go to dinner. It wasn’t like it was desolate and to me she just seemed like my suggestions of anything outside the norm would have been a no answer. Even stuff like, hey let’s go to Wal-Mart and read the labels of the meat. Can you believe it she didn’t even laugh, she was like NO. Which brings me to my next issue: Lack of a sense-of-humor. You have to be able to laugh at yourself. I do stand-up-comedy and if you cant take a joke well then. Yup a girl cant be so vain as to not laugh. When we do go out to eat, don’t just assume I should pay for everything. In most cases I will, but I like it when a girl is at least willing. Probably the most important aspect for me to go back out with a girl, is don’t be to clingy, or needy. Have fun, let loose and enjoy yourself. Everything is OK, life is great, smile and be super fun, but even more importantly be yourself. The trick, and its a balancing act, is to be attentive and interested, but don’t think we will star naming kids and relationships for a while. Where as I am a PUA and I can control the frame and blow out anyone who tries to interfere with my date, I also might not like to go back on another if I feel the girl is going to be too much work either. I don’t mind if a girl is flirting a bit, but too much and I’ll be like there are plenty of others for her not to be interested in me. ---
**Author:** ![cherrypie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f17d59/32.png) [@cherrypie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/cherrypie)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 10:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-seeks-meaningful-pheromone-experience/30979/8 "2009-07-27T22:41:50Z")
Thanks for the welcome/advice everyone! $14.95, that is actually cheaper than I thought it was. In any case, I guess S&H is a necessary evil. Thanks, Mssleva and Moonwhisperer for the advice of getting [Instant Sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) A & B both – I never thought to get one that would offset my natural personality. My sister tells me that I am “a lot to handle” (I am very direct, don’t like to play games, usually come on a bit strong – definitely an “A”!) so B might make me seem a bit more girly and non-threatening. While I am very outgoing, adventurous, and like to laugh, I do have a hard time with playing hard to get! One of the other things that was suggested by my friends was that I “act too smart” – I like talking about ostensibly “smart” things like literature and politics and history and religion. I was told that I should try to cool it with this on first dates, but I don’t think that I’m quite desperate enough to date someone who’d drop a girl over intellectual overstimulation! Thanks again everyone, hope to see you in the “regular” forums soon!