# Newbie who needs help

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**Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [June 16, 2011, 6:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769 "2011-06-16T06:57:32Z")\
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**Author:** ![missleroux](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/missleroux/32/2370_2.png) [@missleroux](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/missleroux)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 6:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/1 "2011-06-16T06:57:32Z")

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Hello all,

I am brand new to this forum but have been reading through the posts for probably about a week now. I have a lot of questions and I really hope someone can help!!

first off I am 20, blonde, 5’6", thin but curvy, and very well mannered.  
i notice that I am not much of a head turner and attractive men don’t ever seem to have any interest in me. Which I think is odd because men always tell me I am a 9 or 9.5/10 on that “hottness” scale. I just think maybe I don’t produce enough [pheromones](https://a314.com/) to be attractive or something.

I am trying to attract men that are successful, handsome and polite. I want someone 22-28 preferably. the kind of attraction I am looking for is basically lust I want to drive someone wild. There is this gorgeous man at i know that I really like and I try to talk to him as much as possible. By his body language I can tell he is just not interested which is odd because we have a large amount of similar interests and his girlfriend (from what I can gather off of facebook) has all the same interests as me and also has blonde hair, green eyes, and same height. Only difference is she is not very attractive and somewhat overweight. I am kind of trying to get to know him better just for incase they ever break up I might get a chance one day. I am not looking to break them up persay.

Anyways, I bought a bottle of Primal instinct from love scent. I was supposed to get a bottle of PCC with my order but they screwed up and sent me SOE by accident. They’re in the process of fixing this. I think they sent me the one for men too because it is very musky and kind of smells like axe deoderant. It was turning me on lol so i am pretty sure it’s for men… I tried putting on 2 drops in total of the PI today. right behind my ears, and on my neck. I wasn’t noticing anything so a few hours later I put some under my armpits and on my wrists. I noticed no effect at all. If anything people seemed just as turned off as ever by me. I put off a negative vibe for some reason so it is hard for me to make friends. I have no idea why this is as I am a very positive and upbeat person.

Can anyone shead some light on this and help a newbie out?! thanks!!!

Maria

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**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 7:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/2 "2011-06-16T07:13:04Z")

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> [@missleroux](#):
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> Hello all,
> 
> I am brand new to this forum but have been reading through the posts for probably about a week now. I have a lot of questions and I really hope someone can help!!
> 
> first off I am 20, blonde, 5’6", thin but curvy, and very well mannered.  
> i notice that I am not much of a head turner and attractive men don’t ever seem to have any interest in me. Which I think is odd because men always tell me I am a 9 or 9.5/10 on that “hottness” scale. I just think maybe I don’t produce enough pheromones to be attractive or something.
> 
> I am trying to attract men that are successful, handsome and polite. I want someone 22-28 preferably. the kind of attraction I am looking for is basically lust I want to drive someone wild. There is this **gorgeous man at i know that I really like and I try to talk to him as much as possible. By his body language I can tell he is just not interested which is odd because we have a large amount of similar interests and his girlfriend (from what I can gather off of facebook) has all the same interests as me and also has blonde hair, green eyes, and same height.** Only difference is she is not very attractive and somewhat overweight. I am kind of trying to get to know him better just for incase they ever break up I might get a chance one day. I am not looking to break them up persay.
> 
> Anyways, I bought a bottle of Primal instinct from love scent. I was supposed to get a bottle of PCC with my order but they screwed up and sent me SOE by accident. They’re in the process of fixing this. I think they sent me the one for men too because it is very musky and kind of smells like axe deoderant. It was turning me on lol so i am pretty sure it’s for men… I tried putting on 2 drops in total of the PI today. right behind my ears, and on my neck. I wasn’t noticing anything so a few hours later I put some under my armpits and on my wrists. I noticed no effect at all. If anything people seemed just as turned off as ever by me. I put off a negative vibe for some reason so it is hard for me to make friends. I have no idea why this is as I am a very positive and upbeat person.
> 
> Can anyone shead some light on this and help a newbie out?! thanks!!!
> 
> Maria

Seriously, you do realise that when you speak to people with an agenda in the back of your mind; they do pick up on it? Subconsciously, mostly, but they do pick up on it.

He has a girlfriend. Leave your agenda at home with him. He could be the one guy in your city that doesn’t think of cheating and isn’t interested in flirting and possibly buying himself trouble. How would you like it, if some fem was doing this with a guy you were an item with? Planning your breakup, so to speak.  
Maybe she’s gorgeous on the inside and he likes curvier with a little padding. Not everything’s to do with looks. Yes, they play a huge part in attraction and interaction; but that’s never the entirety of a relationship. And he’s in a relationship.

Putting pheromones on your pits is not such a good idea. Read the links I gave you in your introduction post.

Do you know her? How is it you’re checking her facebook? Research?

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**Author:** ![missleroux](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/missleroux/32/2370_2.png) [@missleroux](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/missleroux)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 7:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/3 "2011-06-16T07:18:45Z")

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> [@Astrea](#):
>
> Seriously, you do realise that when you speak to people with an agenda in the back of your mind; they do pick up on it? Subconsciously, mostly, but they do pick up on it.
> 
> He has a girlfriend. Leave your agenda at home with him. He could be the one guy in your city that doesn’t think of cheating and isn’t interested in flirting and possibly buying himself trouble. How would you like it, if some fem was doing this with a guy you were an item with? Planning your breakup, so to speak.  
> Maybe she’s gorgeous on the inside and he likes curvier with a little padding. Not everything’s to do with looks. Yes, they play a huge part in attraction and interaction; but that’s never the entirety of a relationship. And he’s in a relationship.
> 
> Putting pheromones on your pits is not such a good idea. Read the links I gave you in your introduction post.

Haha well i am not trying to break them up at all, I guess what I said was misunderstood. Any guy that can broken up that easily isn’t a man for me. I meant that I find it odd that I could be so similar to his GF and to him, yet he doesn’t have an interest in really being friends or anything of the matter. I don’t flirt with him or anything, but I can’t help being attracted to someone that looks that fantastic.

I am currently reading all the links you gave me, I read somewhere that it was a good idea to put mones on your pits because it diffuses a lot or something like that lol \>..\<

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**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 7:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/4 "2011-06-16T07:29:04Z")

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> [@missleroux](#):
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> Haha well i am not trying to break them up at all, I guess what I said was misunderstood. Any guy that can broken up that easily isn’t a man for me. I meant that I find it odd that I could be so similar to his GF and to him, yet he doesn’t have an interest in really being friends or anything of the matter. I **don’t flirt with him or anything, but I can’t help being attracted to someone that looks that fantastic.**
> 
> I am currently reading all the links you gave me, I read somewhere that it was a **good idea to put mones on your pits** because it diffuses a lot or something like that lol \>..\<

I haven’t read of anyone on this forum doing that. I imagine you’d just make a potential stink bomb. For the mones to diffuse, they need to be open to the air. I’m giggling thinking of people wearing mones under their arms and walking around with their arms straight up to let the mones out. Maybe in the way that things need to be for a relationship; you are not similar to his gf. Come on, you’re a fem. You know that we’re not interchangeable. Look at twins, some are temperamentally similar and there are twins who even tho’ they’re identical in looks are night and day personality wise.  
Why would he be friends with you? Do you know him? Do you know her? Guys don’t go looking for fem **friends** , so much. Maybe because you’re similar is why you’re not of interest. He’s already got a girlfriend and doesn’t need a female friend in the same mold.  
And I bet he can see your attraction, and that’s just a complication for him. Friendship with a fem who’s clearly attracted to him, making big doe eyes an so forth? Come on, his gf would rip him a new one.

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**Author:** ![missleroux](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/missleroux/32/2370_2.png) [@missleroux](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/missleroux)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 7:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/5 "2011-06-16T07:45:00Z")

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> [@Astrea](#):
>
> I haven’t read of anyone on this forum doing that. I imagine you’d just make a potential stink bomb. For the mones to diffuse, they need to be open to the air. I’m giggling thinking of people wearing mones under their arms and walking around with their arms straight up to let the mones out. Maybe in the way that things need to be for a relationship; you are not similar to his gf. Come on, you’re a fem. You know that we’re not interchangeable. Look at twins, some are temperamentally similar and there are twins who even tho’ they’re identical in looks are night and day personality wise.  
> Why would he be friends with you? Do you know him? Do you know her? Guys don’t go looking for fem **friends** , so much. Maybe because you’re similar is why you’re not of interest. He’s already got a girlfriend and doesn’t need a female friend in the same mold.  
> And I bet he can see your attraction, and that’s just a complication for him. Friendship with a fem who’s clearly attracted to him, making big doe eyes an so forth? Come on, his gf would rip him a new one.

HAHAHA! You’re hilarious and it’s totally funny because all of this is probably true. I guess i should just stop bothering him and if he wants to be friends he can come to me. Plenty of other fishes i suppose. So Can you tell me about some of your exp. with phermones? I am pretty interested in obtaining some IS-B and maybe something else to make me more of a headturner, even though the little description of the product claims that this alone should do it.. hmmm.. It just seems from everything else I have been reading people are always having to mix products to get desired effects

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**Author:** ![missleroux](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/missleroux/32/2370_2.png) [@missleroux](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/missleroux)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 7:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/6 "2011-06-16T07:47:40Z")

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> [@Astrea](#):
>
> I haven’t read of anyone on this forum doing that. I imagine you’d just make a potential stink bomb. For the mones to diffuse, they need to be open to the air. I’m giggling thinking of people wearing mones under their arms and walking around with their arms straight up to let the mones out. Maybe in the way that things need to be for a relationship; you are not similar to his gf. Come on, you’re a fem. You know that we’re not interchangeable. Look at twins, some are temperamentally similar and there are twins who even tho’ they’re identical in looks are night and day personality wise.  
> Why would he be friends with you? Do you know him? Do you know her? Guys don’t go looking for fem **friends** , so much. Maybe because you’re similar is why you’re not of interest. He’s already got a girlfriend and doesn’t need a female friend in the same mold.  
> And I bet he can see your attraction, and that’s just a complication for him. Friendship with a fem who’s clearly attracted to him, making big doe eyes an so forth? Come on, his gf would rip him a new one.

Oh and I forgot to metion, the argument was that when you sweat from your pits the smell travels all over the room and if you have been sweating enough people can smell you from feet away. Lol I know this to be fact from some of the gentlemen I work with, obviously they cannot afford deoderant. Anyways, it was supposed to work in the same way, when you sweat the mone would be thrown out into the air like the scent from when someone has really bad BO, if you get what I am saying? Sorry my sentence structure is awful right now I really should be going to bed but I am too excited to get started!!

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**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 7:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/7 "2011-06-16T07:52:30Z")

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> [@missleroux](#):
>
> HAHAHA! You’re hilarious and it’s totally funny because all of this is probably true. I guess i should just stop bothering him and if he wants to be friends he can come to me. Plenty of other fishes i suppose. **So Can you tell me about some of your exp.** with phermones? I am pretty interested in obtaining some IS-B and maybe something else to **make me more of a headturner,** even though the little description of the product claims that this alone should do it.. hmmm.. It just seems from everything else I have been reading **people are always having to mix products to get desired effects**

Feel free to read my journal: Just Arrived! Has my experiences.

Concerning head turner: read my response to the other thread you started.

You’ve missed the point of the forum. We experiment to broaden the knowledge base. This is the point of this forum, we are pushing our envelopes. In what kinds of reactions we can get, how much does it take to produce that reaction and how far can we make it go?

We do this because it’s fun. We do this because it enriches our lives in a number of different ways. We do this to expand the knowledge of how pheromones work in real day to day living. You don’t have to experiment, if you don’t want to. Those of us on here, do - want to, that is.

I would recommend you start with IS/B and IS.

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**Author:** ![ClintX2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ClintX2](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ClintX2)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 8:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/8 "2011-06-16T08:02:56Z")

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> [@missleroux](#):
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> Oh and I forgot to metion, the argument was that when you sweat from your pits the smell travels all over the room and if you have been sweating enough people can smell you from feet away. Lol I know this to be fact from some of the gentlemen I work with, obviously they cannot afford deoderant. Anyways, it was supposed to work in the same way, when you sweat the mone would be thrown out into the air like the scent from when someone has really bad BO, if you get what I am saying? Sorry my sentence structure is awful right now I really should be going to bed but I am too excited to get started!!

I remember someone saying something about bacteria and having to keep yourself from sweating for them to be effective there…but I am sure someone will be able to give you some concrete information. (People on here are so experimental that they have tried almost anything you could think of- I remember one guy spraying [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) on light bulbs-that’s why I love this place) If you use the “search” function you can find a lot of good information.

Also, Welcome 🙂

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**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/9 "2011-06-16T15:41:19Z")

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> [@](#):
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> I read somewhere that it was a **good idea to put mones on your pits** because it diffuses a lot or something like that lol \>..\<

Well that someone is wrong and doesnt know much about mones and how they work. The body carries a lot of natural bacteria called coryneform. I dont care how much you wash its there. It likes warm damp dark places like the groin and pits. Your natural sweat doesnt stink until it comes in contact with this bacteria. On top of the smell issue you have the conversion issue.

Anol can convert to anone quickly in the pits due to the bacteria. Primal for women is primarily anol. This is why once you applied it to your pits people ignored you. Most lijily it converted to anone. Its an OD effect common with anone. Its also what turned you on.

Be sure to shake your bottle of primal before applying and try different dosages. Neck chest back of neck behind ears inside elbows smeared up forearms are all good places to try. We all heat up different so you have to find your hot spots excluding the obvious groin and pits.

Now from your description you feel you a 9 or 9.5.

Men can be intimidated by beautiful women espcially when they know they are beautiful (no offence). I am not saying your stiuck up but that you may need to make more of a effort to create inviting warmth.

I suggest IH and Ishine in that area. You can use it with your primal.

[Instant sexiness B](https://phera.com/product/kitten/) would probably be a good option for you as well. Its a softer sexy girl vibe.

As for the guy your attracted to. Visial attraction is only one part of attraction so it matters little what his GF looks like when it comes to how he feels about her. Love is funny that way. She is beautiful to him because he loves her. Many people make this mistake. People dont love people because they are beautiful, people are beautiful because you love them. All visual attraction does is grab attention. It doesnt create lust or interest.

Dont focus so much on how you look but how you make people feel. This is not to say let yourself go just realize there is more to it then that. This is where pheromones can be a big help.

Tisha

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**Author:** ![missleroux](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/missleroux/32/2370_2.png) [@missleroux](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/missleroux)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 8:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/10 "2011-06-16T20:06:28Z")

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> [@tisha23](#):
>
> Well that someone is wrong and doesnt know much about mones and how they work. The body carries a lot of natural bacteria called coryneform. I dont care how much you wash its there. It likes warm damp dark places like the groin and pits. Your natural sweat doesnt stink until it comes in contact with this bacteria. On top of the smell issue you have the conversion issue.
> 
> Anol can convert to anone quickly in the pits due to the bacteria. Primal for women is primarily anol. This is why once you applied it to your pits people ignored you. Most lijily it converted to anone. Its an OD effect common with anone. Its also what turned you on.
> 
> Be sure to shake your bottle of primal before applying and try different dosages. Neck chest back of neck behind ears inside elbows smeared up forearms are all good places to try. We all heat up different so you have to find your hot spots excluding the obvious groin and pits.
> 
> Now from your description you feel you a 9 or 9.5.
> 
> Men can be intimidated by beautiful women espcially when they know they are beautiful (no offence). I am not saying your stiuck up but that you may need to make more of a effort to create inviting warmth.
> 
> I suggest IH and Ishine in that area. You can use it with your primal.
> 
> Instant sexiness B would probably be a good option for you as well. Its a softer sexy girl vibe.
> 
> As for the guy your attracted to. Visial attraction is only one part of attraction so it matters little what his GF looks like when it comes to how he feels about her. Love is funny that way. She is beautiful to him because he loves her. Many people make this mistake. People dont love people because they are beautiful, people are beautiful because you love them. All visual attraction does is grab attention. It doesnt create lust or interest.
> 
> Dont focus so much on how you look but how you make people feel. This is not to say let yourself go just realize there is more to it then that. This is where pheromones can be a big help.
> 
> Tisha

Well thank you so much for your reply. That all makes a lot of sense! However, are you saying that the anol turned into male anone because of the bacteria?! sorry I am still trying to figure all this phero stuff out 😕  
It’s all very interesting I might see if I can get some books off the web here to better understand all of the molecular structure and chemical reactions of mones.

You’re probably right about the whole inner beauty thing, I guess i just hear the men at work talk and they make me feel a bit insecure. You know the things men say I.E “she’s smart but… i wouldn’t tap that” kinda junk. Obviously not all men are like this, but I feel a good chunk of men are concerned first with looks and then personality. Of course you can’t build a relationship solely on looks. I’m just having the issue of grabbing attention in the first place, despite having looks and being successful in life 😠 Oddly enough it seems that men with self-confidence issues and those that are extremely unattractive follow me around like puppy dogs. Maybe they’re the type that like stronger women or something. I have a high level of self-confidence so I understand I may intimidate people but why would those men who also have high self-confidence avoid me while those that have less are crazy about me?! I thought men were scared of rejection? I won’t reject someone solely on looks, but I can’t date anymore men with self-esteem issues. I don’t know I’m going crazy trying to make sense of all this. Maybe it’s because I’m so friendly with everyone.

I am trying to focus on creating a good vibe around people because, as i mentioned I think i may put off a negative vibe. I believe this because people just don’t seem to be interested in having conversations with me. I am not sure why this is… the friends I already have love me and think I am super. It’s just hard for me to get people to give me that chance.

perhaps I will try some heavy anol laced mones. Some people have been saying [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) is a good one to kind of make people want to chat your ears off? I will definitely be placing an order for IS-B this weekend

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**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 10:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/11 "2011-06-16T22:29:54Z")

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> [@](#):
>
> Well thank you so much for your reply. That all makes a lot of sense! However, are you saying that the [anol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) turned into male [anone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) because of the bacteria?! sorry I am still trying to figure all this phero stuff out 😕

Yes that can and does happen sometimes. Try different application spots and I find I need to shake the bottle with primal.

> [@](#):
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> I have a high level of self-confidence so I understand I may intimidate people but why would those men who also have high self-confidence avoid me while those that have less are crazy about me?! I thought men were scared of rejection? I won’t reject someone solely on looks, but I can’t date anymore men with self-esteem issues. I don’t know I’m going crazy trying to make sense of all this. Maybe it’s because I’m so friendly with everyone.

Self confidence can come across as conceit sometimes. I am not saying this is you. Its just scary for some guys to ask pretty girls out. Even for good looking guys. Think about if you were the one having to ask. You start feeling that same anxiety they get even though your a 9. I guess its part of human nature.

> [@](#):
>
> I am trying to focus on creating a good vibe around people because, as i mentioned I think i may put off a negative vibe. I believe this because people just don’t seem to be interested in having conversations with me. I am not sure why this is… the friends I already have love me and think I am super. It’s just hard for me to get people to give me that chance.

Definitely pick up some IH when you can then. It increases deeper conversation but also gives a connected vibe which is great.

Ishine makes them want to be near you. You ever meet someone and just click and rapidly become good friends. Its like that. The Ishine vibe is just that feeling you get around someone you love being around because they make you feel good. It warm and magnetic. No so chatty for everyone though. Sometimes people will just sort of bask in your warmth.

Tisha

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**Author:** ![missleroux](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/missleroux/32/2370_2.png) [@missleroux](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/missleroux)\
**Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 7:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/12 "2011-06-17T07:02:20Z")

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> [@tisha23](#):
>
> Yes that can and does happen sometimes. Try different application spots and I find I need to shake the bottle with primal.
> 
> Self confidence can come across as conceit sometimes. I am not saying this is you. Its just scary for some guys to ask pretty girls out. Even for good looking guys. Think about if you were the one having to ask. You start feeling that same anxiety they get even though your a 9. I guess its part of human nature.
> 
> Definitely pick up some IH when you can then. It increases deeper conversation but also gives a connected vibe which is great.
> 
> Ishine makes them want to be near you. You ever meet someone and just click and rapidly become good friends. Its like that. The Ishine vibe is just that feeling you get around someone you love being around because they make you feel good. It warm and magnetic. No so chatty for everyone though. Sometimes people will just sort of bask in your warmth.
> 
> Tisha

Thanks very much for all the great info!  
The only instant shine I can find says that it is for men ""[Instant Shine" Feel Good Pheromone For Men](https://a314.com/shop/) " I don’t know if it is a unisex product or not then? or am i just over looking the fem one?

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**Author:** ![missleroux](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/missleroux/32/2370_2.png) [@missleroux](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/missleroux)\
**Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 7:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/13 "2011-06-17T07:33:38Z")

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> [@tisha23](#):
>
> Yes that can and does happen sometimes. Try different application spots and I find I need to shake the bottle with primal.
> 
> Self confidence can come across as conceit sometimes. I am not saying this is you. Its just scary for some guys to ask pretty girls out. Even for good looking guys. Think about if you were the one having to ask. You start feeling that same anxiety they get even though your a 9. I guess its part of human nature.
> 
> Definitely pick up some IH when you can then. It increases deeper conversation but also gives a connected vibe which is great.
> 
> Ishine makes them want to be near you. You ever meet someone and just click and rapidly become good friends. Its like that. The Ishine vibe is just that feeling you get around someone you love being around because they make you feel good. It warm and magnetic. No so chatty for everyone though. Sometimes people will just sort of bask in your warmth.
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> Tisha

Thanks for all the great info!  
I read in the newbie section Instant shine is a unisex product. I just want to make sure before i order it because the only one I can find says that it is “for men.” Is this the one I should be ordering?

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**Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 7:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/14 "2011-06-17T07:47:57Z")

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> [@missleroux](#):
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> Thanks for all the great info!  
> I read in the newbie section Instant shine is a unisex product. I just want to make sure before i order it because the only one I can find says that it is “for men.” Is this the one I should be ordering?

Yes. . . .

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**Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/15 "2011-06-17T08:16:48Z")

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Hi, i’m a newbie myself and cannot help with the [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) questions. In fact, i just put together an order with Astrea and Tisha’s help. However, I can chip in some of your r/s questions.

Astrea is spot on when she says people can sense the undercurrent vibes. This is especially true for you as you are interested in men who are successful, handsome and polite. Successful people tend to be even more in tune with others than the normal average person.

With respect to Mr Gorgeous, if he is interested in every single babe that is blonde haired, green eyes and 5’6", he will be a super busy man! Also, I think there is alot more in a long lasting r/s than just physical looks. There is also the emotional bonding between the 2 people and compatibility, looks will fade in time. Please don’t feel hurt or upset just because Mr Gorgeous is not giving you the attention you want.

You’re absolutely stunning and I’m sure a Mr perfect will come around for you =)

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**Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbie-who-needs-help/50769/16 "2011-06-17T08:36:52Z")

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> [@pinkconfetti](#):
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> Hi, i’m a newbie myself and cannot help with the pheromone questions. In fact, i just put together an order with Astrea and Tisha’s help. However, I can chip in some of your r/s questions.
> 
> Astrea is spot on when she says people can sense the undercurrent vibes. This is especially true for you as you are interested in men who are successful, handsome and polite. Successful people tend to be even more in tune with others than the normal average person.
> 
> With respect to Mr Gorgeous, if he is interested in every single babe that is blonde haired, green eyes and 5’6", he will be a super busy man! Also, I think there is alot more in a long lasting r/s than just physical looks. There is also the emotional bonding between the 2 people and compatibility, looks will fade in time. Please don’t feel hurt or upset just because Mr Gorgeous is not giving you the attention you want.
> 
> You’re absolutely stunning and I’m sure a Mr perfect will come around for you =)

Awe thank you! You are so sweet =) haha i am trying to get over him but everytime I am around him my heart races and it’s kind of like that love at first sight type thing. Unfortunetly he is unavoidable as I come into contact with him a lot at work. I am definitely trying to stay away as to not make things bad between him and his GF. I hope the best for them. What did you order? 🙂