# Next-day tiredness and headache after wearing P86 at 20mu or more **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 27, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549 "2009-02-27T16:57:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549/1 "2009-02-27T16:57:24Z")
so far my experiments are consistant; every time i wear 20mu or more of P86, next day i blow off whatever my errands are for the morning and try desperately to grab whatever minutes i can to sleep before work. i mean, im getting nothing done. my head hurts. i feel like i could sleep all day. my eyes are watering. im yawning. apparently P86 for me can only be worn at 12.5mu. this bums me out because i thought you could acclimate to it, but i wear it alot and this isnt happening for me. we need a solution ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549/2 "2009-02-27T17:44:56Z")
I’ve been testing p86 this week too. I’m sleeping in over my alarm clock as well. I don’t want to get out of bed. I’m only wearing 25mcg, and I don’t get a “crash” as I am wearing it, but I DO end up extra-sleepy the next morning as well. I need a mental push to get out of bed. Hmm.. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549/3 "2009-02-27T17:52:47Z")
What kinds of effects do you get the day before the “hangover” or “crash”? ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549/4 "2009-02-27T18:05:58Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > every time i wear 20mu or more of P86, > next day i blow off whatever my errands are for the morning and try desperately to grab whatever minutes i can to sleep before work. > > i mean, im getting nothing done. > my head hurts. > i feel like i could sleep all day. > my eyes are watering. > im yawning. HA!! That could explain my mysterious doopey, half asleep feeling with a vague headache today 🙄 I added on 3 sprays of P86 @ 12.5mcg ontop of my combo this mornin…and by 1pm man was I pooped! I couldn’t figure out why…coffee & aspirin did nada for me…☹ I’ll have to try this again to see if I get the same effects…and then once with applications only on the back of my neck/hair… 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549/5 "2009-02-27T18:06:02Z")
I’ll be posting full review once I’m done moving, but so far they’ve ranged from a “softening” or an “airbrushed” quality to what I am seeing, to a vividness. I can pick up on and see things more clearly. Sometimes that’s nice, when it’s airbrushed. But I put some on, then looked in the mirror right away - Yikes! Hyper-critical of my appearance. I could pick out every tired line, every mascara spot, every smudge. :o ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549/6 "2009-02-27T18:20:47Z")
> [@jlor1457](#): > > I’ll be posting full review once I’m done moving, Moving could also have something to do with your crash and feelings of hyper-critical-ness. Moving, along with death and divorce, is supposed to be one of the most stressful events in a person’s life. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549/7 "2009-02-27T18:28:02Z")
🙂 Nope - This is an awesome move. I’m whistling the whole way. Best move EVER. (Aside from the spider…) I have a pretty good grip on what my emotional state is day to day, even with outside factors. I bring all of that into account when I make my observations. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549/8 "2009-02-28T16:12:18Z")
wow, i didnt get any notifications of anyone replying to this post!!! first off, i ant to hear about the spider 😃 i really have to avoid P86. i am really feeling like kaka after using it. i adore it, i get the vividness and others seem to enjoy being around me more so that is always a plus, but it sucks the life out of me, and so i cant justify taking the next day out of work for it 🙄 i also got the hyper-criticalness of self AND others, but aside from noticing things about others appearances, it was also always paired with a soft attitude of enjoying the imperfections _as perfection_. ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549/9 "2009-02-28T16:39:19Z")
I’m not getting next day crashes from P86, but I didn’t even start feeling the drowsiness that everyone else experiences until I increased the dosage to 75mcg+ and sprayed it in the area of my face. I’ve been testing it for the past five nights to see if the sleepiness it brings about sticks around after daily use, or if I acclimate to it. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549/10 "2009-03-01T02:02:23Z")
you know, i think i will come back to it another time full-force, im actually on medication for walking pneumonia and i may be too tired in any event to really get a handle on its acclimation. there may be no such thing as acclimation, where im standing presently 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 4:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549/11 "2009-03-01T04:16:45Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > there may be no such thing as acclimation, where im standing presently 😃 I’m actually hoping not, as it’s doing a wonderful job at keeping me asleep through the night. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/8/84ef9904f9e0b1fe9019b9c175e9fb30eace5763.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549/12 "2009-03-03T00:21:08Z")
Wore 50mcg yesterday - could not get out of bed on time this morning. Im finding it easier to muscle through the effects though. Perhaps building resistance? You do NOT want to hear about the spider… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 6:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549/13 "2009-03-03T06:04:03Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > Wore 50mcg yesterday - could not get out of bed on time this morning. Im finding it easier to muscle through the effects though. Perhaps building resistance? > > You do NOT want to hear about the spider… 🙂 oooooh i love spider stories. i would be interested to hear if you are genuinely building a resistance to P86. it means theres hope. i just wasnt. its like TAF i never get “used” to that one either, and thank god. TAF rocks. P86 really needs a buddy to get through KO at the end. TAL helped, but didnt take it all away. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 7:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/next-day-tiredness-and-headache-after-wearing-p86-at-20mu-or-more/26549/14 "2009-03-03T07:05:13Z")
Here you go, Lor :[Need Help & Advice - QUICK](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-advice-quick/26532) Enjoy the spiders! 😉 As far as building a resistance goes… I was fine all day, once I got moving. It was just hard to get up. I wanted to remain in bed. Once up, I was fine - no sluggishness or foggy-headedness either. I put on some I/Openness and p74 this afternoon, and had a but of a crash around 8pm. Maybe phero related, maybe not. I haven’t been up on my vitamins with the move though. Am good now - just normal 11pm tiredness. 🙂