# Nice Guy Turned Jerk **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 14, 2009, 2:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nice-guy-turned-jerk/29874 "2009-06-14T14:58:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 2:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nice-guy-turned-jerk/29874/1 "2009-06-14T14:58:02Z")
8:00 pm I wore 1x [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) [TAC](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/) -10 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) [p74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) - 10 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) [TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) - 25 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) I hung out with my two bartender friends. (female)They wanted to go bowling at some busy bowling alley. I must say that Instant Jerk does kind of live up to its name. There is some "I dont give a shit’ additude associated with it. one of my friends is a bad boy chaser. I would call her a bit sexually agressive. I overheard her talking about drinking guys under the table. I glanced over with a “oh really” kind of look. She looked back with a “ya you too” kind of look, nodding her head at me. I said “really, I’d treat you like you were my bitch.” She was astonished that those words left my mouth. She LIKED it. I then took two steps toward her and leaned in so only she could hear me and I said "and when i’m done drinking you under the table I’ll fuck you like you were my bitch too. I leaned back and looked at her with this “take that” sort of look on my face. She just stood there, eyes wide as hell, turns to my other friend and says “that is so fucking hot”. “Jesse, who is this other guy you’ve been hiding from us” I slightly shrugged my shoulders, turned around and asked if anyone needed a beer. They have always looked at me like the fun, nice guy type. In all honesty, statements like that are not things I say. Its really not the way I think, and I am not a bad boy. However, after all the time I have spent around her, I know what her turn on buttons are. I was just waiting for the right opportunity to press them to see how she reacted to it. 11:15 1x Instant Jerk 2x [mx272](https://pheromonelabs.com/) So, off to the Ale House. The place is packed. Some people we know were leaving so we took their spots at the bar. My friends went out side to smoke. Across from me(about 4-5 ft) were two quite attractic woman(21-24). I’m sorry, I can’t remember the convo, but I initiated it. We went back and forth, and I was just throwing “I could give a shit less” vibes, and acting asshole-ish. They LOVED it. I JUST DON’T GET IT. I said nothing nice. I was cocky, and sarcastic. My friends came back in and saw me taking to these girls, saw their body laungage and were totally jealous [![](https://pheromonetalk.com/mens-journals/images/smilies/eek.gif) ](https://pheromonetalk.com/mens-journals/images/smilies/eek.gif) I have NEVER seen them act that way before. The one I mentioned above from the bowling alley, would keep touching me, so the girls would think I was hers. Great stuff. So, I kind of lost interest in talking to those 2 girls and just hung out with the small group I came with. We had a great time. The bad boy loving bartender threw [IOI](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/) 's all night. As the night went on, the 2 girls I was talking to ended up picking up 2 other guys. It seemed to me that finding a guy to take home was what they were after that evening. Conclusion: Without sounding conceded, I can honestly say I could have had my choice of two woman I talked with, and if I had been persistant with my bartender friend, something could have happened there too. But like I have said in the past, she is my friend. I am perplexed how some woman are attracted to the asshole types. I just don’t get it. In the end, I like being the nice guy, not the asshole. No matter how much attention it gets me. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nice-guy-turned-jerk/29874/2 "2009-06-14T15:06:09Z")
> [@jessejester](#): > > I am perplexed how some woman are attracted to the asshole types. I just don’t get it. In the end, I like being the nice guy, not the asshole. No matter how much attention it gets me. Awesome report! I wonder the same thing about how women can be attracted to assholes. Sounds like you had a lot of fun unleashing the innner jerk for a while, though. I wear Instant Jerk with [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) on occasion and it is funny how the type A women start getting very interested. ---
**Author:** ![mellomello](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@mellomello](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mellomello)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nice-guy-turned-jerk/29874/3 "2009-06-14T19:05:50Z")
great i want some of that jerk did it make u feel like u could walk up and talk to any women at the bar ---
**Author:** ![Kramer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kramer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kramer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nice-guy-turned-jerk/29874/4 "2009-06-14T19:18:08Z")
@ jessejester How exactly do you know that instant jerk is responsible for your jerk attitude and that you’re not simply “producing” it because you know that instant jerk is supposed to turn you into a jerk? kinda like drinking non-alc beer and then thinking you’re drunk. any thoughts on that? ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nice-guy-turned-jerk/29874/5 "2009-06-14T20:29:48Z")
As far as walking up to anyone at the bar, I’m not sure. I wasn’t out to try to pick up woman, so I really wasn’t in the mind set of approaching. The thought really had’nt crossed my mind. The two girls looked in my direction a few times, and I just started a convo. No real opener, just a “so what you guys up to tonight” or something. @ Kramer. I am sure my additude was IJ driven. It was the first time I wore this mix, and I very rarley act that way. Honestly, I didn’t expect much from IJ. It was the only consumer line product I hadn’t tried. I got it in a trade and thought I would try it out. Its affect on me was very surprising. Prior to using it, to me IJ was just another high -none mix, and I have worn plenty of those, so my pre-conceived notion was just that. Not only that, but I put on even more of a buffering with the other stuff I added. The only other time I had an additude like that was the one time I wore mx312 from the raw power test pack. That is the only other time I have had a “I could care less additude”. The only other way I can explain it is this. The IJ combo I used was steering me. The first time I wore ammo and shine together, it steered me to be calm, cool, and smooth. MX292 steered me into “hunter looking for prey”, the first time I used it. I had thought that my days of self effects had passed until that night. So to answer your question, yes I am sure that IJ was responsible for steering my additude in that direction. I hope that makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 10:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nice-guy-turned-jerk/29874/6 "2009-06-14T22:02:34Z")
Just wait 'til you ramp it up to two sprays bud! If you do, the way I would do your mix would be to also ramp those up by an additional spray. So: TAC 20 mcg [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) 20 mcg TAA 50 mcg I don’t have any history with TAC or P74 but I’d do that just to make it equal dosed as your OG mix after the addition of another IJ spray if you do decide to try two sprays of IJ next time. ---
**Author:** ![Kramer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kramer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kramer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nice-guy-turned-jerk/29874/7 "2009-06-14T22:10:56Z")
@ jessejester Did you get this jerk feeling right away or when did it come? ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nice-guy-turned-jerk/29874/8 "2009-06-14T23:32:28Z")
good report, findings seem similar to mine, but more study of Jerk is needed, as I am beginning to think women like to flirt with the Jerk but get taken home by a nicer guy. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 5:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nice-guy-turned-jerk/29874/9 "2009-06-15T05:40:42Z")
It depends. If I want to use you and never see you again, then i want the Jerk. I want a powerful, aggressive, break the headboard man. If I want a partner, a lover, a companion - I want to avoid the Jerk (in the beginning) at all costs. The really, really cool thing though, is when, after the relationship has reached that comfortable level (that Catlord mentioned very very recently), then your partner/lover/companion can also be the Jerk for you, when you need it. I suppose that it depends on what I am out looking for - ONS or long term. Since you never look for Long Term at bars, most girls you meet there will be into the Jerk. Wear Jerk to the store, a volunteer thing, the movies, or wherever you go to meet everyday women, and see how they react if you try to initiate. Some will still respond - but I bet it wont be as prolific as the hunting ground that is a club or bar. 😉 Oooooh, I want to see you guys wear Jerk to a cougar bar! 😃 > [@Wolfy](#): > > good report, > > findings seem similar to mine, but more study of Jerk is needed, as I am beginning to think women like to flirt with the Jerk but get taken home by a nicer guy. ---
**Author:** ![pherophreak](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherophreak/32/1531_2.png) [@pherophreak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherophreak)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nice-guy-turned-jerk/29874/10 "2009-06-15T06:04:23Z")
Good one Jessie. Make sure Mikoto gets a hint at this. I know the feeling, its like IJ makes you care less, which gets more… ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nice-guy-turned-jerk/29874/11 "2009-06-15T06:49:07Z")
And that’s the cool thing about wearing IJ when you’re deep down nothing but a nice guy. You can’t, and won’t let IJ tame you. You actually end up being able to control the jerkiness in IJ, and get the best of both worlds thanks to the control you have by really being a nice guy deep down. It’s like being able to not succumb to temptation, while still using the IJ effects to a certain degree. A 50/50 kind of thing, as well as with the help of socials. In the end it all ends up to self control, and to the type of personality or type of person you really are. That’s why I figured I can get away with IJ as I’ve mentioned in past posts, because I’m so nice that I don’t really have trouble being tamed by IJ. However, I can still use it _instead of IJ using me_. So definitely not a product for most people, as some obviously can’t handle -none let alone possibly the high amount of -none in IJ plus the cops. So here’s to us being nice guys jessie! _Self control_ is the key!