# Nightmare re discontinuations **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 6, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551 "2009-01-06T02:26:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bobs4567](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/94ad74/32.png) [@bobs4567](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bobs4567)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/1 "2009-01-06T02:26:54Z")
Hi guys I did not know where to post this but I had a bit of a nightmare thought. What happens if smart mones discontinue my fav phermones when I get them can I buy in bulk and freeze these phermones how long would they last for. Someone just put it to me in a wee chat I was having and I suddenly realised it could take a long time to get a substitute so I thought perhaps if you froze them and defrosted them when you needed it wouild not be so bad if they did. another question is does anyone know how long it takes to get a delivery sent to Scotland you see we don’t have many phermone suppliers here in scotland just the cheap sex shop rubbish that has questionable origins. 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/2 "2009-01-06T03:19:16Z")
> [@bobs4567](#): > > Hi guys I did not know where to post this but I had a bit of a nightmare thought. What happens if smart mones discontinue my fav phermones when I get them can I buy in bulk and freeze these phermones how long would they last for. Phermones w/o little exposure light or oxygen last an enormous amount of time. Stable 10 to 15 years, perhaps more. They’re tough little molecules. Far tougher than the fragrance molecules you usually find them packaged with (which tend to last 3 years w/o attempts to preserver them) Which [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) are you particularly concerned about? > [@](#): > > Someone just put it to me in a wee chat I was having and I suddenly realised it could take a long time to get a substitute so I thought perhaps if you froze them and defrosted them when you needed it would not be so bad if they did. The only real problem is the economy, but that’s effecting everyone. We’re having some issues, but not as extreme as some. Egg producers could very well go out of business before we do (at least in terms of the good quality stuff created without soya or melamine feed), so you might want to freeze those first. 😉 > [@](#): > > another question is does anyone know how long it takes to get a delivery sent to Scotland you see we don’t have many phermone suppliers here in scotland just the cheap sex shop rubbish that has questionable origins. 😮 Actually, you’re lucky. W hile you are right in that most suppliers worldwide are complete & utter fraudulent garbage, one actual of the pioneers of pheromone technology is close to you. Dr. George Dodd. [http://www.aromasciences.com/pherofragrances.html](http://www.aromasciences.com/pherofragrances.html) He now creates PheroFragrance, but originally created Excite Wipes! and KioTech, which he’s since sold. Decent guy. Inventive. ---
**Author:** ![bobs4567](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/94ad74/32.png) [@bobs4567](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bobs4567)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/3 "2009-01-06T13:55:42Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Phermones w/o little exposure light or oxygen last an enormous amount of time. Stable 10 to 15 years, perhaps more. > > They’re tough little molecules. Far tougher than the fragrance molecules you usually find them packaged with (which tend to last 3 years w/o attempts to preserver them) > > Which pheromones are you particularly concerned about? > > The only real problem is the economy, but that’s effecting everyone. We’re having some issues, but not as extreme as some. Egg producers could very well go out of business before we do (at least in terms of the good quality stuff created without soya or melamine feed), so you might want to freeze those first. 😉 > > Actually, you’re lucky. W > > hile you are right in that most suppliers worldwide are complete & utter fraudulent garbage, one actual of the pioneers of pheromone technology is close to you. Dr. George Dodd. [http://www.aromasciences.com/pherofragrances.html](http://www.aromasciences.com/pherofragrances.html) He now creates PheroFragrance, but originally created Excite Wipes! and KioTech, which he’s since sold. > > Decent guy. Inventive. Sorry for the reply being so late but the website everytime I tried to click on this link kept saying the thread did not exist. but the phermones I am interestead in are instant shine, instant gentleman, instant openess or whatever its called, ammo and come talk to me mix2. The reason I am interested in these is becuase there is a young lady I have my eye on and want to get to notice me tisha and the others in my threads have recomended these as a good way of getting noticed by her and helping me start a conversation, friendship and possible more hopefully. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sethy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sethy/32/1625_2.png) [@Sethy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sethy)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/4 "2009-01-06T15:35:47Z")
Pheros never substitute a good attitude and personality. Lookit Tisha pluging on someone else. Big canards lol. The stuff im waiting on must be gooooddddd XD ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/5 "2009-01-06T16:03:18Z")
Dont worry, Androtics is going anywhere other then up. I dont Know as much about business as Jasmin but I know to many people love this company to see it go down. I have a feeling it will be around in some form for a long time. > [@](#): > > Pheros never substitute a good attitude and personality. Lookit Tisha pluging on someone else. Big canards lol. The stuff im waiting on must be gooooddddd XD Your right mones dont substitute for attitude and personality they enhance it. Not sure what the rest of what you said means (snort) I am pretty sure I dont have big canards though 😉 > [@](#): > > hile you are right in that most suppliers worldwide are complete & utter fraudulent garbage, one actual of the pioneers of pheromone technology is close to you. Dr. George Dodd. [http://www.aromasciences.com/pherofragrances.html](http://www.aromasciences.com/pherofragrances.html) He now creates PheroFragrance, but originally created Excite Wipes! and KioTech, which he’s since sold. True I have both Pherofragrance and Excite wipes and I like them. He dosnt offer much variety though. Jeez jasmin you guys spoiled the hell out of us LOL Tisha ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/6 "2009-01-06T18:09:24Z")
Aww Tisha, your canards are perfect! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/7 "2009-01-06T18:26:19Z")
What are canards? And why should they be larger than usual? One of my fav products disappeared off the face of the earth: PheroProof. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), also one of my favs, is unusable due to the new but terrible Game scent. But you soon adjust and realize you can still make due without it just fine. Sometimes I forget to don my mones and the earth still spins, I get pay, laid and enjoy a beer or two as always. It’s nice to have an edge on things but lacking it ain’t exactly a nightmare. Perhaps snagging an overly large canard on a fence-post qualifies as a nightmare… ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/8 "2009-01-06T18:35:50Z")
I have some high concentration pheromones, which I only use for making mixes. The rest of the time I keep them in the freezer. That has worked out well so far. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/9 "2009-01-06T18:53:17Z")
> [@renny](#): > > Aww Tisha, your canards are perfect! 🙂 Sppptttt… Renny… come here… what are canards ? LOL > [@](#): > > I have some high concentration pheromones, which I only use for making mixes. The rest of the time I keep them in the freezer. That has worked out well so far. Really how come ? I am sure it wont hurt them either way unless you live in a really really hot climate and leave them in the sun. I keep most mine in a airtight box I got at Bed and bath in my closet where its dark. Course I have about 200 bottles in there so I cant fit them all in LOL > [@](#): > > Perhaps snagging an overly large canard on a fence-post qualifies as a nightmare… Ahh… come on guys tell what a canard is. I dont want to get it stuck somewheres 😛 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![bobs4567](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/94ad74/32.png) [@bobs4567](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bobs4567)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/10 "2009-01-06T19:07:15Z")
thanks guys some great and witty replies but what the hell is canard you see we scots dont use that word. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/11 "2009-01-06T19:52:00Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > What are canards? And why should they be larger than usual? > > One of my fav products disappeared off the face of the earth: PheroProof. Ammo, also one of my favs, is unusable due to the new but terrible Game scent. But you soon adjust and realize you can still make due without it just fine. Sometimes I forget to don my mones and the earth still spins, I get pay, laid and enjoy a beer or two as always. It’s nice to have an edge on things but lacking it ain’t exactly a nightmare. Perhaps snagging an overly large canard on a fence-post qualifies as a nightmare… Ammo I want to give Storer a chance to reformulate that fragrance before we bought a quarter tanker-full of a reformulated, IFRA compliant version of the original scent. The original Ammo fragrance is great, but it’s tough as heck to formulate [pheromone formulas](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) with because it suppresses the diffusion of some of the molecules. That same suppression effect also increases our production costs, because it means we have to use more pheromones (the expensive part of a product). We wanted to drastically in-crease some of the more social mones for the next version of Ammo, so good diffusion is important. The more we can bring fragrancing in-house the better. We have more control over formulation that way, and can better spec things to work _with_ pheromones. The creators of the original Ammo scent don’t give us a lot of say at the chemical level. Working w/someone like Storer gives that opportunity (although he seems a bit freaked out that we have _some_ understanding of fragrance composition). As far as PheroProof goes, I’ll have some news about that shortly. Shhh! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/12 "2009-01-07T02:32:47Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Really how come ? I am sure it wont hurt them either way unless you live in a really really hot climate and leave them in the sun. I keep most mine in a airtight box I got at Bed and bath in my closet where its dark. Well… I’ve gotta put them somewhere, and I have found that most things last longer when they’re frozen. I don’t wanna create canards with bad pheros. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/13 "2009-01-07T03:10:20Z")
I’d never–never–store mah canards in an airtight box. Nor would I consider freezing them. I like them just where nature intended. Besides, if you store them, you may misplace them not to mention have great difficulty reattaching them. Hmm, PheroProof is really returning? I hope with the Ammo scent! ---
**Author:** ![Sethy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sethy/32/1625_2.png) [@Sethy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sethy)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/14 "2009-01-07T03:50:30Z")
Lollll, this is great… I’ve RESTARTED the usage of a mild to cold word. Great work me!🙄 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/15 "2009-01-07T16:04:56Z")
> [@bobs4567](#): > > thanks guys some great and witty replies but what the hell is canard you see we scots dont use that word. It would be a total buzzkill to define it now, just enjoy. OK one hint. Canards are usually quite tasty but occasionally daffy.😃 ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/16 "2009-01-07T16:13:01Z")
Judging by Sethy’s photo, he shut the lid too early and squashed his canards!! 😮 I thought we were referring to the spanish “cojones” in which case, no way are mine being frozen and stuffed in an airtight box. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/17 "2009-01-07T18:04:53Z")
> [@renny](#): > > Aww Tisha, your canards are perfect! 🙂 There’s a good chance we are interpreting ‘canards’ the same way… 😃 😛 ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/18 "2009-01-07T18:11:15Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > We wanted to drastically in-crease some of the more social mones for the next version of Ammo, so good diffusion is important. Does that mean that the next Ammo version will be a more complex product than the current -none, -rone, -nol combo? > [@](#): > > As far as PheroProof goes, I’ll have some news about that shortly. Shhh! 🙂 Good news I hope! Is that a normal people ‘shortly’ (like 2 weeks or something) or a scientists ‘shortly’ (like 2 years)?? 😛 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 10:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nightmare-re-discontinuations/24551/19 "2009-01-08T22:55:56Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > There’s a good chance we are interpreting ‘canards’ the same way… 😃 😛 Considering that there are at least 3 different interpretations, you’re probably right.😃