# Ninety Degrees to Normal - The Tangent files. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [February 22, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379 "2009-02-22T15:12:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tangent](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tangent/32/5178_2.png) [@tangent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/1 "2009-02-22T15:12:44Z")
Well folkses I’ve been meaning to start this little project for a while but as the forum kindly reminded me that I’ve not been too active round here lately I thought I’d go ahead and grasp the nettle. So… a journal, a central place to put all the musings, thoughts and theories that would probably live a short life in the main threads… Sound ideal. Of course I’ll try not to ignore the main threads but a tidy mind and all that. Now as I mentioned the forum popped up a message that I’ve not contributed for several weeks (it’s been two, but who’s counting.) and there is a reason for this. You see I’ve had something of an epiphany. It has been mentioned that the products we all love and cherish add, most probably, about ten percent to what we already have in our own personal lockers and, if I’m honest adding ten percent on to what’s there right now isn’t going to give me that big of a number. So, at the ripe old age of 34 I’ve decided that I need to take a good hard look at myself and work on the ninety percent. In order to do that I’ve decided that having a place to be open and honest about my progress on this road would be a good thing and that, as this was the place that has helped me to come to this conclusion it would be the logical place to do this (And I’m just that darn comfy with you guys.) So, dear readers this is going to be a slightly different journal to some of those you will have read. I’m by no means going to shy away from the subject of which products i’m loving and which mixes i’m finding have great results but I also want to focus on what I percieve as the other elements that are holding me back from fulfilling my potential and hopefully by doing this and sharing my progress I might be able to help others along the path. Obviously this is going to be for my own purposes as much as those of other users but I hope that people will read along and perhaps share their views on my journey. TBC… ---
**Author:** ![tangent](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tangent/32/5178_2.png) [@tangent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/2 "2009-02-24T22:56:09Z")
Hokay, time to get this started. I had meant to make my second journal post before this but unfortunately I’ve not been too well the last couple of days. Anyway back to the subject at hand, namely that long, hard look at myself I was talking about above. The question, therefore, is what are my good and bad points? what of these can I can work on? What holes do I have in my fledgling game and how do I plug those holes (to coin a phrase)? I guess that’s three questions really but what it boils down to is a list I’ve mad up of what I see as being my top good points and my top bad points. The list looks like this. The Good: I’m a decent looking guy, with nice eyes. I have a ready wit. I’m likeable I have large, well defined shoulders and arms. The Bad: Being Disabled I don’t have the best body. I’m carrying a bit too much weight. I’m not very confident. I suffer from major (and we’re talking Major) Approach Fear I tend towards Introversion. This exersise in itself is intereting because, as long as your honest with yourself it focuses you down on exactly how you’re feeling about yourself. It’s also worthwhile just to see these points looking up at you in black and white, to make them external and concrete. The thing to do now, to me (and I’m pretty much making thios up as I go along) is to look at this list, especially the bads, and to see what I can work on. The first point is pretty much a no-no, not much I can do about the Spina Bifida myself. The others though are a different story. The weight I can work on with a diet and exersise regime so lets start that. I hereby undertake to eat a well balanced diet and to cut out all take out food as well as carbs in my evening meal. I also undertake to go swimming at least twice a week. The next two points are pretty much inter-related. I can come across as a confident person and, with the relationships I already have, I am. When it come down to meeting new people though my sense of self worth is through the floor. This is more noticable with the ladies and does lead to me hanging back, waiting for obvious signs of interest or for others to instigate contact before making any move. Now I know the standard advice in this situation is to just ‘man up’ ‘grow a pair’ and go for it, hit the three second rule, force yourself through the barrier but I’m not sure it is quite that simple. What I think I need is to work on this from the inside, to build up my levels of confidence and my own self worth to the point wher this behaviour isn’t just doable but is actually second nature, just something that happens. I need to break the inner dialogue I know I go through at the moment and replce it with a more productive script. In order to help me with this I have purchased a book and cd by a well known british hypnotist and NLP practioner which is aimed at boosting confidence. I know the ‘man up’ type of advice is also, at it’s heart, true though so… I hereby undertake to read through ‘Instant confidence’ by Paul Mckenna and listen to the cd every night for at least two weeks. I also undertake to speak to 5 peopl I do not know a week at the least, even if that’s only a hello and a passing comment. The last point is interesting. I think the whole Introvert/Extrovert thing is misunderstood. An introvert is not simply someone who is shy and withdrawn although they may be. An introvert is someone who thinks within themselves, who develops a few close friendships rather than having a large circle of more casual aquaintances and who treasures time alone in order to recharge their social batteries. There isn’t a huge amount I can do to change what is essentially a basic personality tye but I could use the relationships I have more effectively and drive myself into having a more active social life. Therefore… I hereby undertake to go through my phonebook and renew some of the friendships I may have been ignoring and to catch up with these people and allow them to help me develop a more dynamic social life. Well that’s about it for now. On the phero front I must confess to being weak and splurging again. I will soon be the proud owner of mx292, Instant Gent (you were right Diamond.) and another Togo of Ishine which I’m going to give another chance to. Comments about any of the above are more than welcome. TTFN. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 6:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/3 "2009-02-25T06:39:17Z")
> [@tangent](#): > > …The last point is interesting. I think the whole Introvert/Extrovert thing is misunderstood. An introvert is not simply someone who is shy and withdrawn although they may be. An introvert is someone who thinks within themselves, who develops a few close friendships rather than having a large circle of more casual aquaintances and who treasures time alone in order to recharge their social batteries. There isn’t a huge amount I can do to change what is essentially a basic personality tye but I could use the relationships I have more effectively and drive myself into having a more active social life. Therefore… > … Misunderstood, perhaps. Perhaps by yourself. Why do you list introversion under “bad?” You seem to have a grasp of the underlying personality trait. You can have a fulfilling social life and stilll be introverted. On the other hand, if you force yourself into a pattern you’re not, you may reach certain goals but still not feel fulfilled. PS - Great thread title. A bit of math humor in the sociological context. ---
**Author:** ![tangent](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tangent/32/5178_2.png) [@tangent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/4 "2009-02-25T18:29:51Z")
Thanks for the input Gone. I suppose I list it under bad because I feel that perhaps this particular trait is causing me to miss out on oportunities I might otherwise be able to seize on. My point about utilising the relationships I’ve developed over the years would mean I’m more in my comfort zone when I’m out and about. Since I discovered this place and started my phero adventure I’ve been keen to try the products out at every opportunity. I’m not all that confortable straying outside my confort zone (obviously)though so by letting the peopole I’m most comfortable with help me to have a more active social life I can put myself in more positions to be successful. Once I’m out with my friends I know I’m more than happy being in social environments but I feel that sometimes I have to push myself to make that call, make that suggestion and instead rely on others pushing me forward. I think this is something that is definitely under my control and is therefore a chance to bring about some change in my life. If the things you are doing aren’t bringing you success then the obvious answer seems to be to do things differently, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 2:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/5 "2009-02-26T02:39:55Z")
I too am introverted. I’ve found [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) to be an interesting addition to my life. I move more easily between the external social world and the interior world now. But I still have the same inward looking tendencies. Now I tend to share them with people a bit more. It will be most interesting to watch your journal and see how you develop. ---
**Author:** ![tangent](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tangent/32/5178_2.png) [@tangent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/6 "2009-02-26T21:34:04Z")
Well it seems that the new attitude may be bearing some fruit. I got a call alst night to go out to a local pub to see a folk band. Now, being a Wednesday and not exactly being a folk music fan I would normally have passed on this. However I looked upon it as a chance to get out there, with people I love and see what the world had to offer. I was already wearing my work mix (2 drops A314 one applied to each wrist and then sporead with fingers over the pulse point of neck, two sprays of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) applied to forearms and spread down to meet the A314) and added to this one more drop of A314 (as it had been about 13 hours since application), 4 sprays of p83 to the neck and 1 spray of TUTH to the chest. There were a few hits, the bar staff were certainly very friendly and one lady I caught looking over her shoulder repeatedly at me. There also seemed to be some odd effect at work today, which I think might be due to some residue, possibly of the P83. One young girl that I work with, who is usually very quiet was unusually social with me. Nothing blatantly sexual or anything but far enough away from her baseline to be noticable. Migh give p83 a go with her in the future and see if it’s this or possibly the mone/p83 that’s the cause of it. Away from the mones though, the other big benefit was another invite out. This time it’s Sturday night and it’s town we’re hitting. As I’m getting my hands on both IG and Mx292 tomorrow there could be some fun to be had. ---
**Author:** ![tangent](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tangent/32/5178_2.png) [@tangent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/7 "2009-02-28T20:06:46Z")
Okay so just popped on as my ride is running late. It does give me the chance to mention what I’m wearing for this night out (besides the rather fetching new shirt.) Due to the invaluable help of Renny I’ve decided that I’m gonna fly the MX292 solo tonight. I’m starting with 3 sprays and taking The Togo with me to allow for a little top up.I’m also gonna take along my Togo’s of TUTH and p83 just in case. One other thing is that I did apply 2 drops of A314 at about 10:30 this morning, I’ve washed the area but there may still be a hint of it about. My first impressions are that this Mx has a strong scent. I don’t mind it per se but it is more noticable than anything else I’ve tried from Androtics. I don’t know if this is just the way the Mx is or something to do with the batch (Batch 6 btw) but I think it would make it hard to cover should you want to. The other thing is that it doesn’t seem to carry the heaviness I get from None heavy products. Anyway I’ll get back at some point tomorrow to give amore detailed report. ---
**Author:** ![tangent](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tangent/32/5178_2.png) [@tangent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tangent)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 2:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/8 "2009-03-01T14:51:55Z")
Interesting stuff this MX292. As mentioned above I wore 3 sprays last night as I hit town. It was yours truly along with two female friends trawling some of the manby bars of leeds so fairly decent testing conditions. After setting off a bit late we hit the first bar about 9pm. This was Sandanista a Spanish themed bar off the main trails. When we got there it was busy but not heaving and we soon found a spot near the bar. I didn’t really notice anything too special to start off with, no head snaps or stares like I sometimes get with my trusty TUTH/[P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) mix but there did seem to be a good aura of respect. The bloke behind the bar was very attentive and was actually going to serve me out of turn until I told him some girls were there first. The most obvious thing though was that my friends were very chatty, which may have been due to the excitement of a fairly rare night out in town but culd have been more. They did seem to make a concerted effort to include me in the conversation and at one point the talk did turn to my underwear (wether my laundry service ironed them to be precise and this isn’t all that unusual with my friends.) In fact one thing that was noticeable throughout the nightwas that both my friends seemed to be keen to engage in close conversation with me, fetching a tall stool at one point so that I was sat at the same level as them. The other possible hit was after I’d added another shot (four sprays total) one woman in North Bar who I caught looking at me a couple of time and, who on leaving stood just behind me to put her coat on (admittedly everyone at her table had got up so she didn’t have a lot of room.) and dropped her purse right next to me, making no move to pick it it up. I of course did the gentlemanly thing and we shared a few light hearted words before her friends dragged her away. After this we hit Hi-Fi club and after an hour I wasn’t really getting any obvious IOI’s so I nipped to the bathroom and added a shot of TUTH to my chest (the 292 was on my neck) to try and switch things up. Now I’ve seen outstanding results from TUTH and P83 at two to three sprays and above but this was just one spray so I wasn’t expecting a huge difference. I think it was 15 minutes later that I got proved wrong. a Lovely little lady dancng about ten feet away turned my way, I shot her a smile and suddenly it was like I was fitted with a tractor beam! She headed straight for me and we danced for a bit. Her friends annoyed me with continual attempts to drag her away but she kept somehow finding her way back to me. Eventually she had to go as one of her friends had developed a migraine. No number (she was from Bristol, long way to go) but I did get a nice long, languid snog goodbye. So at the moment I’m not seeing the super hits others are reporting, but on adding a bit of None to the party I did get a very nice hit. Sort of makes me wonder if my natural None signature is on the low side. Onwards and upwards. ---
**Author:** ![tangent](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tangent/32/5178_2.png) [@tangent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tangent)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 3:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/9 "2009-03-07T15:37:41Z")
Well it’s been almost a week so here’s the lowdown on what’s been happening. This week I started off with a little more testing of Mx292. This was over Monday and Tuesday and comprised 4 sprays whilst at work. I’m not sure that I noticed anything too much to report on as everyone seemed to be more or less there normal selves around me and seemed to be dead on there baseline behaviours. The flirty girl who sits next to me was flirty (Seriously not happening!) and the rest of the ladies in the office seemed friendly without being over the top. Tuesday I tried adding in 2 drops of A314 and 2 sprays of ammo (which I usually wear to work) to the mix and took some TUTH with me as well. Again I can’t say anything occured that made me think hmm… I applied a single spray of TUTH at lunchtime (pretty much 5 hours after intial application) and got the usual work ‘shut down’ I get when I wear sexual products (I think the nones are working but the affect within the confines of a proffessional workplace actually causes women to withdraw and go all quiet. It’s not ghosting per se but more a reaction against what they are feeling and it’s incongruence with the surroundings. Wednesday I went Phero free. Thursday and Friday I decided to mix things up a bit and gave [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) a go (i’ve been dying to try this stuff.) I’m very, very impressed with this little number. Thursday I tried it solo (Standard 3 sprays) and it seemed to carry similar affects to when I’ve worn A314 with CTTM2. It seems to carry a similar aura of respect (two people approched me for help even though I’ve only been working in the department for 4 months) but it also seems to carry a softer more approachable vibe than A314 and the people aound me did seem particularly chatty. Friday I decide again to mix things up and add in my usual work mix. I’m undecided when testing stuff I’ve not used before on the value of testing solo (and therefore exploring the products nature) against testing with frequently worn mixes (so that your not changing your signature too much with people who are ‘used’ to you). This is the reason I’vetried things both ways this week. I lessened the A314 to one drop to allow for the similarity in the products and the amount of None and I’ve got to say that this is definitely one of my better experiences testing at work. The mix seemed to give off warmth, authority, approachability and a subtle but palpable sexuality. Twice I caught a very attractive co-worker (but sadly married) peeking over her computer at me and generally the women folk seemed very keen to include me in the coversation. I’m willing to discount some of this to the Friday effect but not all of it. In fact I wore the same mix again this morning to go for a coffee with a friend in town and got several hits including a very embarassed smile from a young girl as I smiled at ther when she was leaving the coffeehouse (Nice, but too young.) and virtually all serving staff being extra courteous and even making a point of saying good bye as I was leaving. I get the feeling thart 1 drop a314 + 2 sprays IG could well be a great base for me to add other notes to. In fact I’m going out tonight so I think I’ll give this a go with my usual TUTH + P83 bar mix. It might well be None overkill but in the interest of science and all that. On a more self developmenty basis I have been listening to the confidence hypnosis cd every night and I do think it’s making me much more comfortable with myself I think we might see tonight if it’s done anything more. I’ve also today bought myself some dumbells in order to kickstart my regular exersise regime so hopefully, with a little dedication I might be in better physical shape shortly. I’ll keep you all posted about tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/10 "2009-03-07T15:47:41Z")
A314 and ig make good bases for me. Try one at a time but switching up days, and when you wear them together varying ratios. It keeps things interesting. ---
**Author:** ![tangent](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tangent/32/5178_2.png) [@tangent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tangent)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 5:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/11 "2009-03-08T17:04:21Z")
Wel it was an interesting night. No numbers or kisses but quite a few minor hits and more annoying friends. I went with 1 drop a314 dropped onto my left wrist then spread behind each ear and dragged down the neck before finally being spreadover each forearm, 2 sprays of IG, one spread to the forearms one spread to the neck (I.e pretty much covering the a314), a single spray of TUTH to the chest and four sprays of p83 to the neck and covering the TUTH. I also followed my usual plan of taking some ToGos with me, namely TUTH, [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). I was out with a mate who’s been having a few romantic issues in an atteptto cheer him up and we hit a local pub before deciding where to heads out proper. Now when I got to the pub my friend was already there and playing pool with a mutual aquaintance. The mutual aquaintance’s girlfriend was also there. Now this was my first hit of the night. The girlfriend is someone I only know very slightly but right from the off she was much friendlier than she’s ever been with me before, asking me questions about my general welfare (which I think is a first) and generally paying me quite a bit of attention. At one point she said something smelt good and after a little discussion with the others and a little sniffing it was decided that that something was me. I owned up to wearing Issey Miake (My usual cover scent) and she proffessed great love for it. After the couple left we decided to get a taxi into headingly, the local student centre and second only to the town centre in its choice of drinkeries. Now the average age in these places was obviosly a little on the lower side (I’d estimate 19-25 on average) but I didn’t notice the same strength of reactions in the first couple of pubs apart from one barmaid who blatantly went to serve me out of turn. So on reaching the third pub I made my excuse, went to the loo and applied one more TUTH and one more p83. This seemed to do the trick and by the time we reached the late bar that was our ultimate destination I was getting hits all over the place. Twice young ladies got talking to me only to be dragged away by their friends almost immediately and one lass insisted on having her photo taken with me but had again disappeared by the time I’d returned from the loo. The final hit was just as we were queuing for a taxi when a very nice young woman basically almost kidnapped me to go to a club in town with her and her friends. As her friends seemed to exclusively be made up of proffesional weightlifters and rugby players I politely declined. I think 2-3 sprays of TUTH is definitely a sweet spor for me personally although I’m not sure I’ve managed to find that with p83 yet. As for the A314/IG combo, well I’m still loving it. It seems to carry the respect and authority of higher doses of A314 solo but softens the effect and makes it more approachable. My friend seemed very keen on getting my opinion on his situation and I definitely seemed like the major partner in our duo. The women that we got talking to seemed to talk to me rather than him and although generally I didn’t have much to do with the guys there was no hostility. In a way it seemed like I fit into the space I was in nicely and people were content for me to fill that space. There was no jostling or barging as I often get in crowded bars. For my part (and I’m only really thinking about this now.) It seemed like I was more prepared to take the front foot, to lead into places rather than follow behind. It was subtle but the more I think about it the more covinced I am it was there. I still only approached one woman myself (although I did approach her, so progress,) but I felt more comfortable doing so. I think with a little tweaking this could definitely become a very worthwhile mix. I think I probably need to balance the p83 better but it definitely has a huge amount of potential. ---
**Author:** ![tangent](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tangent/32/5178_2.png) [@tangent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tangent)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/12 "2009-03-22T14:05:48Z")
Well hello there, been a while, hasn’t it. Unfortunately I’ve had a particularly nasty case of the man flu. It was touch and go there for a bit but I seem to have made it out the other side with all my faculties intact but it did cost me a weekend and a few days off work. So, this weekend was me back to full health and wondering what to do with my weekend. The decision was taken out of my hands when on thursday I got a call from M. M is a girl I knew way back in the mists of time when we were both teenagers/early twenty somethings but lost touch with. She recently found me again through the magic of Facebook and we’ve been in a little bit of contact since then. And yes before you ask there is a little bit of history there. Anyway, she invited me over to hers on Friday night for a few beers and a film with the strict understanding that this would mean me sleeping in the spare room. I have to be honest here and admit that I’m slightly conflicted about this girl. I love her dearly, she really is one of the most wonderful, genuine, big hearted women it has ever been my pleasure to meet. She has had a rough year though, splitting up from the guy who is the father of her daughter and enduring the death of a close family member. So to cut a long story short I made my way over there, knowing that she is attracted to me, knowing i’m attracted to her, but not wanting to push things too much because of her situation and emotional vulnerability. I decided, therefore, to concentrate my phero mix on the social side going with my, by now habitual WarmAlpha mix (1 drop a314, two sprays Instant gentleman, arms and neck pulse points) which I just love, 2 sprays IFM (back of neck to avoid depressive qualities.), and a spritz of instant shine (3 sprays, over top of head and allowed to rain down). After much, much deliberation I also added 2 sprays of ammo. So the night went well, with a fair amount of alcohol working it’s own magic. We watched a film (Hostel 2, not great.) and generally enjoyed each others company. The crux of the evening though came later, whilst chatting in the kitchen (so she could smoke out ofthe window). All of a sudden there was a crazy amount of kino going on with feet touching and comments being stressed with hands on the forearms. Finally she decides she want’s a cuddle which lasted for absolutely ages and eventually turned into a little kiss. She broke this off aftere a little while and made a comment (I can’t quite remember the exact words) That intimated she needed to stop right there or else… We then spent the night in the same bed, although nothing happened at all. I’m glad I didn’t go all out with the pheros to be honest. I think the TUTH/P83 mix would probaly have been a deal closer in this particular scenario but I think allowing things to progress more organically is the way to go with this particular lady. The mix itself seemed to promote closeness and I think th IG and IFM seem to give that reliable, warm, comforting vibe which although not sexual is I think intimate. That is if the spark is there, then I think it gives off the air of comfort which can allow someone to express their feelings without too much worry. In retrospect I regret the Ammo in this mix because I’m not sure it was necessary in this situation (Ammo seems to be very subtle on me though.) Moving on to Saturday I left M’s and went into town, in order to have my traditional Saturday morning mooch and pick up a Mothers day pressie. I called in at Starbucks and as I had a couple of togos on me decided to have a little test session. I made my way to the loo and applied 4 sprays of MX292 all to the neck. Ordering a Hazelnut Hot choc (great stuff to deal with slight hangovers.) the Baristar lady immediately offerd to carry it to the table for me (not a convincing hit, it does happen normally.) and spent a few minutes clearing up the table I chose. I found one slightly strange reaction which left me a little uncertain. An older lady came in with her daughter and after getting their order the older lady made her way over to the area I was in. She seemed to dither slightly over where to sit. There were a number of seats open, including some that were next to where I was sat. It looked for a second or two that that was where she was going to sit but eventually she chose one that was quite far away, just as her daughter joined her. The table she chose needed clearing whilst others, closer to me didn’t which makes me wonder. In fact I’m still not sure what this was about. Other than that, the general effects seemed to be an overall smoothness to my day. Everything seemed that little bit easier, everyone that little bit more helpful. I went to get a bottle of cordial from Pret A Manger (Pomegranate power. Lovely stuff.) and one young lady offered to take my money from me whle I was in the queue rather than have me wait. It also seems to aid conversation. Wether this is a self effect or an effect on others I’m not sure but I spoke to a total of 4 people I didn’t know, something I have been working on doing more often but somehow this time it was just easier. I don’t really wan’t to fall in love with this stuff due to the dificulty of getting my hands on it and the possible expense should it become a consumer product (Instant Smoothness?) but it is good. Seems to need four sprays to fully kick in though which makes for not great lastability. I have just ordered IG in full size because along with TUTH and P83 it has become one of my all time favourites. I’ve also decided to give mx272 a go. Hopefully should have these some time this week. TTFN. ---
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Well, I’ve just got offthe phone with Androtics and there’s good news and bad news. I gve them a buzz to chase up my order of '272 and Ig after I noticed that they’ve been trying to get hold of me. I spoke to the lovely Mikaelia and , after a little cross channel miscomunication (Yorkhire and florida(?) accents, probably not the best combo.). Anyhoo upshot is that [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) is out of stock. This is the bad news cos I’m really loving this stuff. Gonna have to make a little go a long way. The god news is that it’s being replaced with Instant Jerk, which I think could be interesting. Should be here soon. I have the day off work tomorrow and Friday and, after sorting out a couple of medical appointments I’m gonna troll round town. I’m maybe thinking about sticking it out for the night too. Obviously I’ll report back anything interesting. Good times! ---
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Okay so this is a mega, mega late report but here goes. Went out on Thursday for a troll around town. I wasn’t working Friday and I was in town anyway for a hospital appointment so, after I’d had a late pub lunch I pretty much decided to just keep on keeping on. To start the day off I had applied 2 drops A314 3 sprays of Ammo and 3 sprays of p83. I would have gone with IG but as it’s out of stock i’m being frugal with the little bit I have left. The a314 was applied in my usual fashion, although, because I was wearing long sleeves I spread the remainder of the drops more over the heel and back of my hand than down the forearm . With the spray I applied the ammo to the centre of my neck and spread down to the collar bone and did the same with the p83 although slightly wider on each side of the neck. The day was fairly unsepectacular with no particular stand out ladies about. I played the smile game (Every memeber of the opposite sex you pass, disregarding attractiveness, look her directly in the eye and smile, If she looks down hold the expression till she looks up. The aim of the game is to count the return smiles and try and beat your highest score.) and was very successful although not a new record. In the pub that I had my lunch the staff did seem very attentive, even unusually so. One of the female serving staff came by teice to check my meal was okay and also put the mayo on the table without me even asking for it (And I was eating Steak sandwich and chips so, mayo?) The bar manager came over to apologise for the light being out in the disabled loo too which, okay was probably not a hit, but he did seem to almost be pleading for forgiveness by the end. Quite funny really. As the night drew in I began to hit the bars of Leeds. First port of call being Varsity bar. Not a lot happening (it’s still only 6pm-ish) so I had a couple of drinks and took advantage of an illuminated loo to hunt throught my togo’s. Now I’ve had amazing hits from high None products myself and have come to almost rely on TUTH on nights out but as it was early and in the interests of science I decided to steer away from it for now. I added 2 more sprays of p83 and 2 sprays of mx292. My thoughts being that the added high value of mx292 would be nicely compimented by the disinhibiting factor of p83. I also wanted to check out the sexuality of the latter with out the TUTH’s influence. Well after that the first couple of bars the mx292 was kicking in nicely and I think the p83 helped this along because it wasn’t at the levels I’ve noticed effects at before. I think I’m getting a handle on Mx292 now. It seems to heighten your value with people around you but in a different way to A314. It seems to make people very eager to please you, to go that extra little bit further to make sure your happy. It doesn’t seem to carry the distance that A314 can have but it certainly makes for a centre of attention vibe. Anyway, back to the story. I found myself next in a bar that, well, let’s say isn’t the classiest. Lotsof girls about but not really my taste. There was a large group out for a birthday who were very raucous. One possible hit here though was while I was at the bar. I had followed a very nice looking lady in and stood next to her at the bar. After a minute or two she moved slightly away from me. That’s right away. The reason I mention this is that there was absolutely no reason for her to do this. There was plenty of room and we weren’t even close to touching. I made a point of noting her whereabouts after she sat down (at a table by herself) and sure enough she was in there to meet a man. I think the move away was her experiencing something she wasn’t comfortable experiencing and trying to distance herself from that. Interesting. In the last bar I visited, I caught sight of someone I used to work with about 6 years ago and went over to exchange a few words. Sudedenly I’m in the middle of a crowd of people and I’m happily chatting and flirting left right and centre. I think this could be a self effect form the mx292/p83 mix the 292 giving me the confortableness with myself (opens up my body language noticebly too) and the p83 giving me that nudge to go with it without experiencing any self doubt. There was one lady especially I was flirting with outrageously (I accused her of flashing her arse at me early on and for some reason kept going with it. She didn’t seem to mind.) Unfortunately a ‘friend’ of hers showed up (big rugby playing dude) and whisked her off. And so after much hope, at about 1am I decided to call it a night and made my way to the taxi rank at the station. This isn’t the end of the story though. Halfway there I pass the entrance to a drag club and see one of the boisterous girls form earlier having a smoke outside. We exchange a couple of words, she’s joined by her friends and before long they’re trying to get me to join them. If it had been free in I might have succumbed but £4 forthe remaining hour seemed steep, and besides the place is down a sizable flight of stairs which doesn’t make things easy. I seetled for saying goodnight at the door and having a quick snog with the girl who had started talking to me. I think there was a chance for more to happen but she wasn’t all that attractive and just because you can doesn’t mean you should. Just waitint now for the arrival of my latest order. Then I can start testing the Mx272 and the Jerk. TTFN ---
**Author:** ![pherophreak](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherophreak/32/1531_2.png) [@pherophreak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherophreak)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/15 "2009-03-29T15:05:13Z")
> [@tangent](#): > > Okay so this is a mega, mega late report but here goes. > > Went out on Thursday for a troll around town. I wasn’t working Friday and I was in town anyway for a hospital appointment so, after I’d had a late pub lunch I pretty much decided to just keep on keeping on. > > To start the day off I had applied 2 drops A314 3 sprays of Ammo and 3 sprays of p83. I would have gone with IG but as it’s out of stock i’m being frugal with the little bit I have left. The a314 was applied in my usual fashion, although, because I was wearing long sleeves I spread the remainder of the drops more over the heel and back of my hand than down the forearm . With the spray I applied the ammo to the centre of my neck and spread down to the collar bone and did the same with the p83 although slightly wider on each side of the neck. > > The day was fairly unsepectacular with no particular stand out ladies about. I played the smile game (Every memeber of the opposite sex you pass, disregarding attractiveness, look her directly in the eye and smile, If she looks down hold the expression till she looks up. The aim of the game is to count the return smiles and try and beat your highest score.) and was very successful although not a new record. > > In the pub that I had my lunch the staff did seem very attentive, even unusually so. One of the female serving staff came by teice to check my meal was okay and also put the mayo on the table without me even asking for it (And I was eating Steak sandwich and chips so, mayo?) The bar manager came over to apologise for the light being out in the disabled loo too which, okay was probably not a hit, but he did seem to almost be pleading for forgiveness by the end. Quite funny really. > > As the night drew in I began to hit the bars of Leeds. First port of call being Varsity bar. Not a lot happening (it’s still only 6pm-ish) so I had a couple of drinks and took advantage of an illuminated loo to hunt throught my togo’s. Now I’ve had amazing hits from high None products myself and have come to almost rely on TUTH on nights out but as it was early and in the interests of science I decided to steer away from it for now. I added 2 more sprays of p83 and 2 sprays of mx292. My thoughts being that the added high value of mx292 would be nicely compimented by the disinhibiting factor of p83. I also wanted to check out the sexuality of the latter with out the TUTH’s influence. > > Well after that the first couple of bars the mx292 was kicking in nicely and I think the p83 helped this along because it wasn’t at the levels I’ve noticed effects at before. I think I’m getting a handle on Mx292 now. It seems to heighten your value with people around you but in a different way to A314. It seems to make people very eager to please you, to go that extra little bit further to make sure your happy. It doesn’t seem to carry the distance that A314 can have but it certainly makes for a centre of attention vibe. > > Anyway, back to the story. I found myself next in a bar that, well, let’s say isn’t the classiest. Lotsof girls about but not really my taste. There was a large group out for a birthday who were very raucous. One possible hit here though was while I was at the bar. I had followed a very nice looking lady in and stood next to her at the bar. After a minute or two she moved slightly away from me. That’s right away. The reason I mention this is that there was absolutely no reason for her to do this. There was plenty of room and we weren’t even close to touching. I made a point of noting her whereabouts after she sat down (at a table by herself) and sure enough she was in there to meet a man. I think the move away was her experiencing something she wasn’t comfortable experiencing and trying to distance herself from that. Interesting. > > In the last bar I visited, I caught sight of someone I used to work with about 6 years ago and went over to exchange a few words. Sudedenly I’m in the middle of a crowd of people and I’m happily chatting and flirting left right and centre. I think this could be a self effect form the mx292/p83 mix the 292 giving me the confortableness with myself (opens up my body language noticebly too) and the p83 giving me that nudge to go with it without experiencing any self doubt. There was one lady especially I was flirting with outrageously (I accused her of flashing her arse at me early on and for some reason kept going with it. She didn’t seem to mind.) Unfortunately a ‘friend’ of hers showed up (big rugby playing dude) and whisked her off. > > And so after much hope, at about 1am I decided to call it a night and made my way to the taxi rank at the station. This isn’t the end of the story though. Halfway there I pass the entrance to a drag club and see one of the boisterous girls form earlier having a smoke outside. We exchange a couple of words, she’s joined by her friends and before long they’re trying to get me to join them. If it had been free in I might have succumbed but £4 forthe remaining hour seemed steep, and besides the place is down a sizable flight of stairs which doesn’t make things easy. I seetled for saying goodnight at the door and having a quick snog with the girl who had started talking to me. I think there was a chance for more to happen but she wasn’t all that attractive and just because you can doesn’t mean you should. > > Just waitint now for the arrival of my latest order. Then I can start testing the Mx272 and the Jerk. > > TTFN Good report, I hope you have great success with Mx292. I haven’t had much luck, but it seems like you just might! I’ll come back as soon as you post more. 😃 ---
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Mx292 on it’s own seems to be best at 4 sprays for me. The effects I’ve noticed seem to mainly be an upgrade in percieved quality or value and a desire to almost look after you. I’ve noticed this effect mainly from friends althoug it’s there with others too, especially serving staff, shop workers etc. On my first trial of Mx292 it was like the female friends I was with were thinking of me first. One of them questioned why she’s never set me up with someone which she’s never done before and it seemd like I was at the centre of everything. As I say it opens up my body language noticeably and seems to aid me in conversation. I think the p83 helped accentuate this as well, especially as I was wearing both on the neck. ---
**Author:** ![pherophreak](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherophreak/32/1531_2.png) [@pherophreak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherophreak)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 3:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/17 "2009-03-29T15:18:41Z")
[P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) seems to be a wonderful mone. I wish I had it at higher doses than 5mcg/spray because I’m wetting down my entire neck everytime I want to use it. Haha. I think P83 is similar to IH in it makes people act more…Well it seems to make people act the way they want to act, instead of how they think they should act. ---
**Author:** ![tangent](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tangent/32/5178_2.png) [@tangent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tangent)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 3:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/18 "2009-03-29T15:25:39Z")
Yeah I’d agree. It definitely helps people to act on their feelings. I haven’t really got much experience with Honesty, although I do use CTTM2 fairly regularly. I think what you pair p83 with is important althoug I’m testing to see if the reported sexuality in it on it’s own comes through. ---
**Author:** ![pherophreak](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherophreak/32/1531_2.png) [@pherophreak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherophreak)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/19 "2009-03-29T19:02:25Z")
My theory is that [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) helps people act on their basic instincts more, and think less about the repercussions of saying or doing certain things. ---
**Author:** ![tangent](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tangent/32/5178_2.png) [@tangent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tangent)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379/20 "2009-04-06T20:42:51Z")
Well this week, there’s not an awful lot to report on the phero front I’m afraid. I took delivery of my latest order, which was made up of a FULL 30ML bottle of IJ and a togo of Mx272. I immediately tore open the extremely hard to open jiffy and broke out the jerk as this was one I was very keen on testing solo to test self effects before I let it loose on the general public of West Yorkshire. Now there is one thing that I can definitely attest to. Driving, IJ and the prodigy is not a good mix. I’ve never had road rage and I hope to never experience that particular phenomenen but this was about as close as it comes. I drove noticably faster, more aggressively and generally didn’t much care for the driving skills of others. This was on just two sprays to the neck with the nozzle wiped under the nose. This feeling lasted for quite a while after I got home although as time passed it did seem to temper somewhat; becoming more a certain feeling of definitiveness (is that even a word?). It was like I had more purpose, more drive, more certainty. There would be no shilly shallying, no time wasting, things would get done, things would happen. I have tried incorpaorating this into my daily work mix (1 drop a314, two sprays ammo would be 2 sprays ig if i had some) and it seems to work quite well. I get a lot done and the general snarky banter we have in our department seems to flow very nicely indeed. I’ve also noticed the team leader who sits behind me brush past me much more closely and pause for a second whilst her leg was micrometres away from my arm (me sitting her standing, nothing kinky). More testing to come on this one I think. Their has been no real socialising tests this weekend mainky because M, the lady I mention in the post above, blew me off for a meet up on Friday night. I’m so confused with this particular lady. Everytime it seems like U’m making any type of progress she seems to back off then the next moment she seems to be beckoning me on. When I talk to her on the phone and she’s had a couple of glasses of wine she’s hyper affectionate and asks me when we’re meeting ,but meet ups are the hardest things in the world to organise and then last night she mentions some bloke she’s met who’s really sweet but she doesn’t think there’s anything in it. Bends my brain it does. Bends my brain. Anyway that’s it for now, I’m going to continue testing with the jerk for the rest of the week (I get the distinct impression it will compliment bar mixes at low dosages and I can see it going well with the Gentleman’s softer vibe as well.) before moving on to 272. TTFN [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ninety-degrees-to-normal-the-tangent-files/26379.md?page=2)