# No effect from Ammo up to 7 sprays, plus low mood after: what am I doing wrong? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 3, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528 "2010-08-03T18:26:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Perspective10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@Perspective10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Perspective10)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/1 "2010-08-03T18:26:53Z")
Okay, Ammunition For Him, strength 1x, version 1.0, batch #215. If I’m not mistaken, it’s the original scent version. I’ve tried up to 7 sprays of this stuff with absolutely no effect other than a noticeably depressed feeling about 5 hours after a 4+ spray dose. The depression is why I haven’t tried a higher dose. Also, I haven’t had any women I don’t personally know comment on the smell, but my two of my nieces have told me repeatedly I stink after applying it (after a shower, too) and one asked me if I was wearing Old Spice. I don’t care for the scent at all, and have taken to covering it up with my cologne. Before I call it quits and try to return this stuff, is there anything I’m doing wrong? I’ve tried this in several atmospheres, from quiet coffeehouse to club scene, and I’m not getting any different reaction than when I’m not wearing it. I haven’t tried mixing any other pheromones with it, because I wanted to learn what this one did before experimenting with mixtures. Plus, I’m out of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). I’ve applied to the neck, forearms, wrists, chest, even groin area with absolutely NO IOI’s at all. I’d attempt to get some OD reactions, but I really, REALLY don’t like the scent and my cologne can only cover so much. Hope I got the terminology right, I’ve been researching here trying to figure out what I’m doing wrong. Did I just get a bad batch or is it just not working for me? I know pheromones work, the Instant Shine was incredible, but this is doing nothing but giving me a headache. ---
**Author:** ![stealthmones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@stealthmones](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stealthmones)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/2 "2010-08-03T18:39:24Z")
ammo works great for me. the hits are subtle but at the same time in your face. its easiest to tell if you are not used to getting hit on. get some a314 and mix em. magic things can happen. ---
**Author:** ![Joe10](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joe10/32/300_2.png) [@Joe10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Joe10)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/3 "2010-08-03T19:00:11Z")
> [@Perspective10](#): > > Okay, Ammunition For Him, strength 1x, version 1.0, batch #215. If I’m not mistaken, it’s the original scent version. > > I’ve tried up to 7 sprays of this stuff with absolutely no effect other than a noticeably depressed feeling about 5 hours after a 4+ spray dose. The depression is why I haven’t tried a higher dose. Also, I haven’t had any women I don’t personally know comment on the smell, but my two of my nieces have told me repeatedly I stink after applying it (after a shower, too) and one asked me if I was wearing Old Spice. I don’t care for the scent at all, and have taken to covering it up with my cologne. > > Before I call it quits and try to return this stuff, is there anything I’m doing wrong? I’ve tried this in several atmospheres, from quiet coffeehouse to club scene, and I’m not getting any different reaction than when I’m not wearing it. I haven’t tried mixing any other pheromones with it, because I wanted to learn what this one did before experimenting with mixtures. Plus, I’m out of Instant Shine. I’ve applied to the neck, forearms, wrists, chest, even groin area with absolutely NO IOI’s at all. I’d attempt to get some OD reactions, but I really, REALLY don’t like the scent and my cologne can only cover so much. Hope I got the terminology right, I’ve been researching here trying to figure out what I’m doing wrong. Did I just get a bad batch or is it just not working for me? I know pheromones work, the Instant Shine was incredible, but this is doing nothing but giving me a headache. Do you even approach people? Trust me, you wont get Jack even if you are the hottest person in the room. Maybe indicators of interest but that is it. If you don’t have the personality to back up those [Pheromones](https://a314.com/) then it will always be bad news for you. I have been reading for a long time before joining and most of these people(newbie’s) wanted to return their products because the girl didn’t throw herself at him on the spot. Trust me man, that 90% you, 10% Phero is where its at. Take care ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/4 "2010-08-03T19:15:03Z")
Hey just real quick. How old are you? 7 sprays is approximately 17.5 mcg’s of anone. That might be a little too much even for someone in their 30’s or older. Also have you done your sweet spot testing? I’ve noticed results with AMMO at 2-3 sprays, and sometimes even with 1 spray paired with something else? Moreover, what is your definitition of a “hit” or “IOI”. Pheromones will never ever give you blatant results unless you are congruent with the signature, and even if you are, it’s occasional IMO that you get those in your face type of hits. I’d like to help you out to help things make sense for you and work but just give us some more information regarding that. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 7:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/5 "2010-08-03T19:33:21Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Hey just real quick. > > How old are you? > > 7 sprays is approximately 17.5 mcg’s of anone. That might be a little too much even for someone in their 30’s or older. > > Also have you done your sweet spot testing? I’ve noticed results with AMMO at 2-3 sprays, and sometimes even with 1 spray paired with something else? > > Moreover, what is your definitition of a “hit” or “IOI”. Pheromones will never ever give you blatant results unless you are congruent with the signature, and even if you are, it’s occasional IMO that you get those in your face type of hits. > > I’d like to help you out to help things make sense for you and work but just give us some more information regarding that. > > Cheers Yeah I had the same thoughts…I’m 34 yrs old and I’ll use at most 6 sprays…or 3 of the 2x version. What are you expecting to see too? What do you consider a hit? ---
**Author:** ![thundercat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thundercat/32/2345_2.png) [@thundercat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thundercat)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/6 "2010-08-03T23:26:59Z")
> [@usef](#): > > Do you even approach people? > > Trust me, you wont get Jack even if you are the hottest person in the room. Maybe indicators of interest but that is it. If you don’t have the personality to back up those Pheromones then it will always be bad news for you. I have been reading for a long time before joining and most of these people(newbie’s) wanted to return their products because the girl didn’t throw herself at him on the spot. > > Trust me man, that 90% you, 10% Phero is where its at. > > Take care Common now you can’t be serious? _Afterall you have read alot on the topic of mones_. Are you implying he is wearing his mones in his bedroom without going out? If so, Common sense tells me otherwise. Moving foward through the disinformation you have provided. AMMO by itself for me does sweet fuck all other then give people headaches but mixed with the right products it can be a great addition to the mones you are wearing. Just remember everybodys natural mone production is different, If you’re like me and your levels of NONE,NOL and RONE are almost equal then ammo by itself will not do a hell of alot for you, Atleast from my personal experience. Perhaps you should try it with A314 sometime, then you’ll see how ammo can affect other people. Also; it isn’t 90% you 10% mones, trust me mones play a far greater role then just 10%. That is only said around here to encourage healthy mone usage. Even if you have a shit personality, Mones will still play there part espically if used in conjunction with mones like IJ which makes your behaviour more acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 3:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/7 "2010-08-04T03:29:44Z")
> [@satinsilver](#): > > ammo works great for me. the hits are subtle but at the same time in your face. its easiest to tell if you are not used to getting hit on. get some a314 and mix em. **magic things can happen.** Yes, it can. However, don’t encourage new users, how it might be magic- the more disappointed they could become 😉 note: Mileages vary ---
**Author:** ![mark2115](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/779978/32.png) [@mark2115](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark2115)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/8 "2010-08-04T03:48:40Z")
LOL. thanks thundercat, i thought you made a good point. Some guys here swear on their mom’s life that the mones work, and then say ‘oh its only 10% of the equation.’ Well, if someone has 90 % of the equation already figured out due to ‘great personality’ …i say forget about the remaining 10%, you will do just fine with your personality alone! ---
**Author:** ![MrCowbell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MrCowbell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MrCowbell)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/9 "2010-08-04T03:48:50Z")
How do you figure out your natural levels of none, nol, and Androsterone? Since I’m 40 which of these would most likely be the lowest. I just want women to show more interest in me, I’m not into the one night stands so I don’t need the heavy sexual stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Perspective10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@Perspective10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Perspective10)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 3:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/10 "2010-08-04T03:49:24Z")
Well, with that interesting roller coaster ride of responses… First off, I didn’t expect the girls to bow down at my feet and start ripping their clothes off. If that’s the kind of reaction this stuff got, there would be no experimental stuff, it would be going for thousands a bottle and the owners would put Gates to shame. I expected more eye contact, more “interest” while talking, just a little more “hey, this guy might be worth getting to know better”. An “edge”. I am an outgoing guy, very talkative (Irish), 35, tall, decent looking, average build. I dress nice, even a casual restaurant gets nice jeans, button shirt and boots. I’ve already invested in the Ammo instead of the large bottle of Instant Shine I was originally going to get because Ammo was “the bomb” for what I was looking for. And while I’ve heard lots of great reviews about the A314, there is no way I can justify another $110 right now. I just resurrected my motorcycle and the repairs tapped me out. I’m completely out of Instant Shine. Here’s the list of what I’ve got that was given to me: [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) Turn Up The Heat (had BAD reactions using this, should be called Instant Bitch when I use it, women HATE me with only 2 sprays) Molecule C Instant Jerk (still haven’t tried this) Bottle with “05” handwritten on a paper wrapper, smells good. Bottle with “06” handwritten on a paper wrapper, smells like the fart of Satan. Honestly, this is the most vile thing I’ve smelled in ages, can’t even imagine spraying this on myself. MX274, maybe 12 sprays left There’s also one empty bottle with A-2527 handwritten on it and a plain empty. The Instant Shine ran out long ago, love that stuff. So, will any of this help mixed with Ammo? Unless there’s a “trial size” of the A314 or Santa wants to make an early run, I can’t afford it anytime soon. Granted, I’m still learning how to play the game again, but I know that I can’t just sit at the bar and expect the women to come to me. But honestly, I was disappointed that the ONLY tangible reaction that I got to Ammo was my nieces telling me I stink. Oh, and I agree about the 10% being inaccurate. The difference Instant Shine made even in supermarket conversations was incredible. Shine is the perfect name for it. So I know that NOTICEABLE reactions are entirely possible, but I’m just not getting it from Ammo. Yet. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 1:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/11 "2010-08-04T13:03:35Z")
How old you? If you are old? try using adding TUTH to ammo. If you are pretty young, add IS and IO/IH to your mix. 3xAMMO + 2x IS + 2x IH have made many girls go crazy. They would just come stand next to me and give me that DIHL / crush looks. ---
**Author:** ![England](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/england/32/1163_2.png) [@England](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/England)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 3:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/12 "2010-08-04T15:49:32Z")
I find it interesting that you get no hits with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) but hits with IS. I get hits with neither. Strangely, I get the strongest hits with A314 which apparently is meant to be the most subtle! ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/13 "2010-08-04T16:07:52Z")
> [@England](#): > > I find it interesting that you get no hits with Ammo but hits with IS. I get hits with neither. Strangely, I get the strongest hits with A314 which apparently is meant to be the most subtle! Hey how long did it take you to notice hits from A314? ---
**Author:** ![England](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/england/32/1163_2.png) [@England](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/England)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/14 "2010-08-04T19:31:52Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Hey how long did it take you to notice hits from A314? Probably my second application. Here’s my journal [This is England](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-is-england/40387) ---
**Author:** ![Perspective10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@Perspective10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Perspective10)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/15 "2010-08-04T21:35:52Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > How old you? If you are old? try using adding TUTH to ammo. If you are pretty young, add IS and IO/IH to your mix. 3xAMMO + 2x IS + 2x IH have made many girls go crazy. They would just come stand next to me and give me that DIHL / crush looks. 1. I don’t have good experience with “TUTH”, I believe I tend to OD very quickly on it, although I have not tried it with the Ammo. Tried it by itself a while back, VERY negative reactions, women were rude and bitchy to me to the point they apologized a few days later. I may try the two together, although sparingly. I am completely out of Instant Shine, but I plan on buying more. Love that stuff. I’ve got two travel size [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), one’s almost empty. In my previous post I listed my “arsenal”. Granted, I’ve got two travel bottles that I have no earthly idea WHAT is in them, just numbers on homemade labels. One reeks, the other kinda smells like the Instant Shine did. Out of what I have, what should I try with the Ammo? I’ll try to get more Instant Shine soon. Have no idea when I’ll be able to afford the A314, that stuff must be liquid gold at that price. Apparently you just use 1-2 drops? Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 2:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/16 "2010-08-05T02:17:31Z")
My thoughts is that at 7x sprays the smell would just be overpowering and stink. Consciously, thats a very bad thing and a huge turnoff to most people. Use less or buy the 2x version. I personally wouldn’t wear more than 2 sprays just because of the scent. Ammo is not so in your face, and I wouldn’t wear it anywhere other than the club because of the scent. You can try spiking it with some TUTH for some more noticeable results. Or even try adding some IH. IH and -none have a weird relationship from my experience. I notice much more physical IOS when they are combined. MX301 opened my eyes to that combo, which I think is much better than Ammo in every way for doing the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 3:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/17 "2010-08-05T03:31:06Z")
> [@Maidenfan01](#): > > My thoughts is that at 7x sprays the smell would just be overpowering and stink. Consciously, thats a very bad thing and a huge turnoff to most people. Use less or buy the 2x version. I personally wouldn’t wear more than 2 sprays just because of the scent. > > Ammo is not so in your face, and I wouldn’t wear it anywhere other than the club because of the scent. You can try spiking it with some TUTH for some more noticeable results. Or even try adding some IH. > > IH and -none have a weird relationship from my experience. I notice much more physical IOS when they are combined. MX301 opened my eyes to that combo, which I think is much better than Ammo in every way for doing the same thing. MX301 only contains B-nol, not A-nol - or was it the other way around? IH contains mixture of both: ~ 70% B-nol to 30% A-nol. B-nol by itself is pretty rough; it is better and softer when combined a bit with a-nol. Ammo + IH softer than MX301, the former being more like Orlandon Bloom and the latter more like Vin Diesel (also the former a bit more higher status and less social with rone). ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 4:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/18 "2010-08-05T04:49:21Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > MX301 only contains B-nol, not A-nol - or was it the other way around? IH contains mixture of both: ~ 70% B-nol to 30% A-nol. B-nol by itself is pretty rough; it is better and softer when combined a bit with a-nol. Ammo + IH softer than MX301, the former being more like Orlandon Bloom and the latter more like Vin Diesel (also the former a bit more higher status and less social with rone). Your comparisons are pretty much spot on and your right, it does only contain b-nol. I like to pair it with IG fr the rone, which pushes MX301 in a much more respectable and attractive way than MX301 on its own. The IG gets rid of the sort of Vin Diesel vibe and makes it more refined. MX301 is pretty non-intimidating in my experiences with it, never seems to come off as harsh. Honestly, I bought my ammo when it first came back a few months ago and its seen very limited use, I would like to go back to it but the scent is hard to get around, its just kinda overpowering in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Perspective10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@Perspective10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Perspective10)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 6:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/19 "2010-08-05T06:39:52Z")
Hmm…well, tomorrow I have a “date” (too much to explain) that will almost definitely not go sexual. It _is_ with someone I know and am very familiar and comfortable with, and I would definitely like to plant the interest of sex in her mind, if only for a spark I may be able to work off of later. Now that I’ve made it all as clear as string theory physics… Would Ammunition + [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) + a SMALL dose of Turn Up The Heat be a good combination to try? I was thinking maybe 2+2+1 sprays. I really wish I had some Instant Shine to “buffer” it. Let me know if you think I should modify the ratio, or if any of my arsenal would be a better addition to the mix. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 2:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528/20 "2010-08-05T14:26:11Z")
You say you’ve tried up to 7 sprays, have you tried 1, 2 or 3 sprays first? Steve posted a great set of instructions for finding your sweet spot (ideal dose). Basically try a single spray every day for three straight days and take two days off. Then try two sprays a day for 3 consecutive days and take two days off etc. It’s very common for new users to get overly enthusiastic and come into this with a more is better attitude and instantly overdose on whatever product they use. Now if you’ve already done **SUFFICIENT** (everyone can have an off day and not everyone will be responsive hence the instructions for going out wearing for three days in a row) experimenting at low starting, and progressively higher doses then I apologize for stating the obvious. For myself I find Ammo works ok as a stand alone, not great but it does work. When mixed with A314 it’s very good. However for my personal tastes MX301 is a superior attraction product in every way, both as a standalone and when mixed with other products. I’ve gotten great results mixing it with IH, A314, MX347, Shine and have dabbled a little with it mixed with [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/). [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-effect-from-ammo-up-to-7-sprays-plus-low-mood-after-what-am-i-doing-wrong/40528.md?page=2)