# No hits after $150 of mones at 17: what am I doing wrong? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 31, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-after-150-of-mones-at-17-what-am-i-doing-wrong/37436 "2010-03-31T15:53:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-after-150-of-mones-at-17-what-am-i-doing-wrong/37436/21 "2010-04-02T14:51:37Z")
The two most important parts of using mones are: 1. Don’t overdose, and 2. Know when you are seeing a hit (change from normal behavior). It took me a while to see it with some of the mones - [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) for instance. In fact, I was getting awesome hits, girls coming over to sit at my feet during class even! But I had Male Pattern Blindness. It’s very important that you learn to be observant, and that you learn what female body language is saying, and what it says normally so that you know what you are seeing. It’s really common for new pheromone users to overdose and get no hits, and also for them to have MPB and get hits they don’t see. Don’t use pheromones every day. This allows you to see the differences. And LEARN FEMALE BODY LANGUAGE!!! Without knowing that, you’ll only get some of the benefits, because pheromones are a lot less subtle than women can be. Remember that women are by and large conditioned to be proper. They have to worry about being labeled a “slut” or worse and having their reputations destroyed if they freely indulge in their desires. But they always will tell you what they want, if you are observant enough to see it, and know what you are seeing. Remember also that you will usually still have to take the lead - unless you wear the right mix at the right dose and she has enough privacy and trusts you and it’s the right time of the month and she’s attracted the right way and Jupiter is making a 135.3 degree aspect to Chiron. I jest, slightly, but just remember that there are a lot of factors involved in what she decides to do in response to how she feels. Remember that her sex organs are internal, and she may be ragingly turned on and you’d never know it. I have excellent powers of observation and have been completely lost dealing with some women who were too shy or nervous to allow me to know they were wet and ready to go jump in bed with me at the time. Also remember that there are a lot more effects than just sexual ones. More talky, more intimate talk, wanting to be physically closer, smelling or licking the application point, and there’s a whole thread dedicated to female IOIs. Surely there are things I am not thinking of off the top of my head too. Pheromones are awesome, once you have some idea how to use them and what to expect - but until then, it can be a bit like wandering in traffic with a blindfold and ear plugs. Oh, and double strength Ammo is almost certainly going to be too much for you. One spray, max for you I would think… maybe need some extra buffering, too. Hope that helps. Enjoy the journey! ---
**Author:** ![Razorpowell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@Razorpowell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Razorpowell)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 3:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-after-150-of-mones-at-17-what-am-i-doing-wrong/37436/22 "2010-04-02T15:07:23Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Remember also that you will usually still have to take the lead - unless Jupiter is making a 135.3 degree aspect to Chiron. hahahahaha this probably the truest non-phero related statement i have seen on this board. women enjoy overthinking everything and psyching themselves out. if there is the slightest bit of reason to have doubt, they will find it. ---
**Author:** ![scotties123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@scotties123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/scotties123)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 3:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-after-150-of-mones-at-17-what-am-i-doing-wrong/37436/23 "2010-04-02T15:09:31Z")
Quick suggestion, this thread should become a sticky because of all of the amazing advice in it, and also because it’s such a common issue that seems to come up at least once a month. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-after-150-of-mones-at-17-what-am-i-doing-wrong/37436/24 "2010-04-02T15:53:30Z")
> [@Razorpowell](#): > > hahahahaha this probably the truest non-phero related statement i have seen on this board. women enjoy overthinking everything and psyching themselves out. if there is the slightest bit of reason to have doubt, they will find it. Not always. But aside from that, they’re taught not to initiate! “Initiating is bad,” we tell them. “Only men are supposed to initiate. Girls and women who initiate are somehow dirty.” Well either guys grow a lot more balls, or you let them initiate without feeling bad about it! And what do you think the Old Guard is still trying to do? That’s a big part of the problem society has right now. We have a polarization of the forces that represent the new ideas and the old. New ideas say, “Women are equal to men.” Old ideas say, “Men are superior to women.” Guys don’t know what to do anymore, because no matter what they do they’re wrong! Do what nature intended and someone will scream you are either a pervert or taking advantage of women or sexist or weak or what have you. It’s gotten so bad that I don’t even bother trying to go on “dates” anymore because I am tired of every other woman getting mad when I try to pay for her, and the rest getting mad when I don’t. Women, I think, are in a nice place to be right now. Every single one of them has a different ideal of what a man is supposed to do, and somehow they’re all “right”. Screw it. If I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t, then I am not trying to please “her” anymore. I’m going to do what makes ME happy. For which I get attacked on one side and applauded on the other. There is no win-win for men these days. But I digress. ---
**Author:** ![Euphorios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/90ced4/32.png) [@Euphorios](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Euphorios)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-after-150-of-mones-at-17-what-am-i-doing-wrong/37436/25 "2010-04-02T20:47:38Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Not always. But aside from that, they’re taught not to initiate! “Initiating is bad,” we tell them. “Only men are supposed to initiate. Girls and women who initiate are somehow dirty.” > > Well either guys grow a lot more balls, or you let them initiate without feeling bad about it! And what do you think the Old Guard is still trying to do? > > That’s a big part of the problem society has right now. We have a polarization of the forces that represent the new ideas and the old. New ideas say, “Women are equal to men.” Old ideas say, “Men are superior to women.” Guys don’t know what to do anymore, because no matter what they do they’re wrong! Do what nature intended and someone will scream you are either a pervert or taking advantage of women or sexist or weak or what have you. It’s gotten so bad that I don’t even bother trying to go on “dates” anymore because I am tired of every other woman getting mad when I try to pay for her, and the rest getting mad when I don’t. > > Women, I think, are in a nice place to be right now. Every single one of them has a different ideal of what a man is supposed to do, and somehow they’re all “right”. Screw it. If I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t, then I am not trying to please “her” anymore. I’m going to do what makes ME happy. For which I get attacked on one side and applauded on the other. There is no win-win for men these days. > > But I digress. Truth spoken, but living selfishly won’t make you happy either. When I go on dates with girls I try to get to know who they really are as fast as possible to see if they are even worth the time and expenses… if you act like you are interested, but not needy and don’t really care if you get rejected then you demonstrate high value and the higher value you demonstrate to them the more they will ease their defenses and look to you and a validating figure. Once you get their respect they will know that whatever action you do it is because you truly care about them and you feel it is the right thing to do. That’s just my opinion from my experience, everybody is open to their own 🆒 I will be getting my pheros on monday and I will test them on a date and with my interview for my raise next week. I’ll be sure to report back right away =) ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2010, 4:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-after-150-of-mones-at-17-what-am-i-doing-wrong/37436/26 "2010-04-03T04:56:17Z")
I’m not talking about being selfish. I’m talking about being unconcerned with trying to please everyone. Instead, I do things my way, and those who like it step forward. The rest fall away. I’m not worried about gaining the respect of women. When I spent all the time and effort on that it was taken advantage of. I got cheated on, lied to and used. Now, I respect myself and choose my path accordingly. I don’t need the respect or approval of others; I have my own. I don’t treat women the way I do because I want or need someone else’s approval. I do it because it upholds the self image I choose for myself. If a woman is worth my respect, I treat her with respect. Otherwise, I tend to move on and deal with someone else. In essence I have concluded that I no longer need someone else. Instead of looking for happiness in a relationship, or a woman, or sex, or approval or what have you, I supply myself with what I want and need. I am now my own best friend. And in needing nobody else, I automatically display the indifference that says I have higher value because I am not desperate. I don’t need a woman, or her approval, or sex with her, and therefore women cease to have power over me. I am my own man and I do my own thing. More men need to walk this path. I don’t advocate favoring one sex or the other, necessarily, but I do think that men are not being treated well in the modern United States, and it happens primarily because they don’t have the strength to be their own supply of (name your poison). A man standing on his own two feet doesn’t need a relationship… doesn’t need sex so much that he’ll do whatever it takes to get it… doesn’t need someone else’s permission or approval to do what makes him happy. So if I cross paths with a woman who intrigues me, who demonstrates intelligence and competence and shows me that she is worth my time to deal with and be interested in I’ll let her know it and offer her the opportunity to get to know me better. But just because a woman is female, or has a nice body or whatever, doesn’t impress me much. Nice bodies are a dime a dozen, and they don’t make for a satisfying long term relationship all by themselves. I learned that the hard way. I advocate men taking charge of their own lives. There’s no need to disparage anyone else in the process. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 7:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-after-150-of-mones-at-17-what-am-i-doing-wrong/37436/27 "2010-04-06T19:37:34Z")
To the OP - I highly advocate wearing highly similar mixes multiple days in a row and journaling your daily experiences… I did this at the start and it helped immensely to sensitize me to the effects that pheros can have. * * * I agree Catlord, men in a large part of the Western World are in a rough place. We are expected to be masculine… except when we are told not be. The message is inconsistent - we are expected to take the lead and initiate with confidence yet demonized for the EXACT same thing (I distinctly remember an argument between two female acquaintances on the subject of one method by which I typically picked up women at clubs - Approaching, saying hi, grabbing her hand and telling her she was coming to dance with me - One girl thought it was sexy… the other likened it to rape/sexual assault (Note that I made it clear, if a girl ever pulled away I didn’t try and stop her)) ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-after-150-of-mones-at-17-what-am-i-doing-wrong/37436/28 "2010-04-06T19:56:34Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > To the OP - > > I highly advocate wearing highly similar mixes multiple days in a row and journaling your daily experiences… I did this at the start and it helped immensely to sensitize me to the effects that pheros can have. > > * * * > > I agree Catlord, men in a large part of the Western World are in a rough place. We are expected to be masculine… except when we are told not be. The message is inconsistent - we are expected to take the lead and initiate with confidence yet demonized for the EXACT same thing (I distinctly remember an argument between two female acquaintances on the subject of one method by which I typically picked up women at clubs - Approaching, saying hi, grabbing her hand and telling her she was coming to dance with me - One girl thought it was sexy… the other likened it to rape/sexual assault (Note that I made it clear, if a girl ever pulled away I didn’t try and stop her)) LOL. That is why they are so confusing 😉 One gives an advice and it is right; then someone else comes along, and they give an opposite advice, but that is right too. They are both are correct, but when we choose one and someone calls out how we are wrong, all women claim we are wrong, lol… 😮🙄 This is my advice. Just be a nice, genuine, sincere guy, but don’t forget to be confident and stand up for who you are. Some will like you, while others won’t. It sucks, but deal with it. As long as you are doing what is righteous with right intentions, you should be proud of your actions and yourself 😃 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-after-150-of-mones-at-17-what-am-i-doing-wrong/37436.md?page=1)