# No hits yet from Ammo, IO and A314: raise the dose or test them one at a time? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 5, 2008, 8:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956 "2008-07-05T20:08:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![theperv584](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theperv584/32/890_2.png) [@theperv584](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/theperv584)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2008, 8:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/1 "2008-07-05T20:08:58Z")
Hey guys, I just came back from the home cooked meal with my friend. I did a shot of Ammo and two shots of IO on both hands. Her food made me puke after the meal and I felt not good to continue so I left after that. I did a shot of ammo and a drop of A314 also earlier in the day and no hits, I bathed before going over so that shot is out. All ammo shots are chest shots. All A314 drops are spread on the neck. Is it time to up the dosage for **visible** effects? Also, if I under apply the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) its it not registered by others or they feel a vibe but choose not to act on it? ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/2 "2008-07-05T20:17:17Z")
No it is time to try them separatly, then up the dosage for the product individually, otherwise you wont know which one at how many sprays has best results for you. Dont worry everyone usually try them all together the first time, since we are just so curious and impatient. So just take more time with each one 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2008, 8:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/3 "2008-07-05T20:25:01Z")
It just takes time. You’ll get it. This is a good way to go about testing though…much better than walking through a mall waiting for women to jump on you. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2008, 8:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/4 "2008-07-05T20:51:24Z")
What products do you have? Ammo and A314 only? Start with one spray of Ammo, then two, and so forth until you find your sweet spot. Once you’ve found your sweet spot with Ammo, then find your sweet spot with [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), THEN try A314 again. I guarantee you’ll look at A314 differently the second time around. If you have any other products, that would be helpful as well. ---
**Author:** ![Porkchop1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Porkchop1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Porkchop1)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2008, 9:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/5 "2008-07-05T21:05:47Z")
Yeah the best way is to experiment individually with them … but if your looking for a good combination…probably a shot of ammo behind each ear…and 2 shots of instant openness on the front of your neck ---
**Author:** ![theperv584](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theperv584/32/890_2.png) [@theperv584](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/theperv584)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2008, 9:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/6 "2008-07-05T21:53:11Z")
I like Phya’s idea. Ok, so I am now at Rank 2 ammo. (yes I am an RPG lover). When is the sweet spot? And is it OD immediately after that? ps. OK, coming week is the A314 test week. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2008, 10:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/7 "2008-07-05T22:13:05Z")
> [@theperv584](#): > > I like Phya’s idea. Ok, so I am now at Rank 2 ammo. (yes I am an RPG lover). When is the sweet spot? And is it OD immediately after that? “Sweet spot” is subjective. It varies from person to person. Basically, it’s, as you guessed, the effective level of dosing before going overboard. Only you can determine it, which means you have to experiment. Follow Phya’s advice, and most importantly, don’t get too impatient. Observe how people act. Perhaps even brush up on body language (a Google search on it will give some good information), as what people _aren’t_ saying can be as significant as what they are saying. -D4 ---
**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2008, 10:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/8 "2008-07-05T22:23:38Z")
you might want to try with half sprays with ammo. At your age (same age as you) you might OD past 2.5-3 sprays and may get negative reactions. On the flip side you may also get great reactions past 3 sprays which is why you want to test things solo and test things slowly. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2008, 12:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/9 "2008-07-06T00:34:55Z")
> [@theperv584](#): > > Hey guys, > > I just came back from the home cooked meal with my friend. I did a shot of Ammo and two shots of Instant Openness on both hands. Her food made me puke after the meal and I felt not good to continue so I left after that. After a meal like that, nobody is going notice anything but their aching gut! Don’t marry her whatever you do. She’ll kill ya for sure. Take her out to a nice restaurant: wine, dress up, the works. Choose a place private with booths and use one [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) at a time. Otherwise how the hell will you know which products work for you in what situations, not to mention the optimal dose? Once you figure out the basics, you’ll have a baseline and can begin to combine products for expanded enhancement. Be realistic. All pheromones can do is enhance the real you. If you’re a negative ass, they’ll make you an even bigger arse. If you’re charming and confident, you’ll appear even more charming and confident in the eyes of your target. Get the drift? It’s still all about you and your skills. Otherwise you could spray Turn Up The Heat on a stiff at a funeral and watch grieving women hump themselves raw 'n red. Unfortunately we don’t involuntarily respond to pheromones like insects or lower mammals on the Nature Channel. pheromones merely enhance and gently suggest. The rest is mainly up to you. ---
**Author:** ![theperv584](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theperv584/32/890_2.png) [@theperv584](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/theperv584)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2008, 6:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/10 "2008-07-06T06:26:37Z")
Lol, it was bad shit to puke. I was polite to get myself out of there. I cook well; have weekly cookouts with another girl who stays near my place. This girl, immediately after I puked, asked if my vegetables (I did my signature dish to bring there) were rotten. She did the main course, rice and drinks. I felt a bit insulted when she did that-- did not know if that was intentional. But I know pheromones do not change character of people so I just cut my losses. I did thank her for the effort to prepare the meal and stuff, i.e. proper pleasantries. ^yeah the story above is nothing on pheros but just to let you guys in it. 😃 Yeah, will do an extensive 5 day test next week at work for my A314. Any good indicators of A314 at its sweet spot? Also when is it time to stop increasing dosages, meaning what signs of OD appear? ps. I am scared of ODing. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![K24](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k24/32/1513_2.png) [@K24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K24)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2008, 7:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/11 "2008-07-06T07:09:21Z")
hehe, told you North Chinese cooking sucks 😛 just follow everyone else’s advice stick to one product at a time, layering ammo with A314 is not recommanded for a beginner because both contains -none and not to mention hard to seperate the effects. also, don’t be sooooo scared to OD, it may be the case that you have to OD to find out your sweet spot, some people OD purposely to find their limit. OD is not gonna kill ya. it’s all about experiencing and experimenting… ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2008, 7:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/12 "2008-07-06T07:16:33Z")
It’s completely idiosyncratic what a person’s reaction to Ammo or androstenone will be, there is no right dosages for everybody. Even if you’ve got the conventional wisdom saying you should be making less androstenone, it doesn’t always play out to equalling that you should be wearing more. I think you should test out the pheromones on complete strangers. There’s less risk involved, and you can get a better feel with reactions. If people know you at all, their beliefs about you will influence their reactions. You should be looking for things like changes in your percieved approachability or status. Do people think you are friendly? Do they make any eye contact? Do they treat you respectfully? Those are the things to look for. A shopping mall or restaurant is a great place to test this out, as potential social interactions are everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2008, 7:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/13 "2008-07-06T07:40:31Z")
It’s difficult to OD on androsterone, the main ingredient in A314. However as a young man a large dose may impart an authoritative fatherly vibe and be incongruent with your normal persona and appear standoffish or uppity. I’d start with one or 2 drops max. A314 is ideal for work environments where you have authority but aren’t getting the respect and cooperation you need, thus the peaceful fatherly alpha vibe is ideal. I wear it at work nearly everyday but don’t use it on dates unless I know the woman has a daddy fetish. For work I wear 4 or 5 drops with good results–keeps people respectful but not too friendly. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2008, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/14 "2008-07-06T20:53:31Z")
I’d say the sweet spot is more of a range than a specific dose. Personally, I set my sweet spot to be around where the effects are there, but not necessarily blatant visible, sort of brooding, just underneath the surface. And like others have said, don’t be afraid of ODs. ODs are not ‘bad’ and is not just for -none. You can OD on anything, an OD is really just an undesired result due to overloading on a pheromone. A woman would not shut up during her interview, and wouldn’t even give us space to end the interview. I had to interrupt her to tell her that the conference room was reserved so we had to leave. I would have considered that an OD on [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) (that’s all I was wearing). It wasn’t even much, I think I only had 2 sprays, but for her, it was much more than enough. Anyways, experiment, learn the subtleties of each molecule and have fun. ---
**Author:** ![theperv584](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theperv584/32/890_2.png) [@theperv584](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/theperv584)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/15 "2008-07-07T16:37:12Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > A woman would not shut up during her interview, and wouldn’t even give us space to end the interview. I had to interrupt her to tell her that the conference room was reserved so we had to leave. I would have considered that an OD on Instant Honesty (that’s all I was wearing). It wasn’t even much, I think I only had 2 sprays, but for her, it was much more than enough. Well if OD meant that the girls cannot stop themselves at feeling horny and want to mate with me then I think I can live with this OD 😃. **Monday Report** : Two drops of A314 on the wrists before rubbing it on my neck and behind my ears. I felt ‘lucky’ today, everything went really smooth. People are nice and conversations are great-- good eye contact and respect. Wonder if its just because its luck or it was the pheromones. I got a tour at the European Space Agency, and the staff there picked me from the whole group to try their docking simulator 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/16 "2008-07-07T18:48:13Z")
> [@theperv584](#): > > **Monday Report** : Two drops of A314 on the wrists before rubbing it on my neck and behind my ears. I felt ‘lucky’ today, everything went really smooth. People are nice and conversations are great-- good eye contact and respect. Wonder if its just because its luck or it was the pheromones. I got a tour at the European Space Agency, and the staff there picked me from the whole group to try their docking simulator 🙂. I’ve definetly noticed that “feeling lucky”/“take on the world” feeling after A314… If you like that feeling try IS - talk about making you feel like a million bucks… ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 8:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/17 "2008-07-07T20:59:06Z")
> [@](#): > > A woman would not shut up during her interview, and wouldn’t even give us space to end the interview. I had to interrupt her to tell her that the conference room was reserved so we had to leave. I would have considered that an OD on Instant Honesty (that’s all I was wearing). It wasn’t even much, I think I only had 2 sprays, but for her, it was much more than enough. Plenty of women talk endlessly even without androstenol. God save us if you’re wearing androstenol when in the company of such verbally enhanced creatures. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 9:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/18 "2008-07-07T21:15:02Z")
Lots of good advice here from Gegogi, Data, Phya and others: Test one item at a time. It is often easiest to see results with the social products first. Sweet spots do shift from person to person based on your body chemistry. That is probably the trickiest part of this business - at best we can give you a range - _you_ have to figure out the exact dosage for you. The second tricky part is learning to recognize and read body language, and other non-verbal cues if you are not already used to it. Gegogi also mentioned a very important spect of this - these products only enhance you - they do not rule our lives like they do with insects and lower mammals. This means that you have to be as smooth, presentable, positive, on your game, etc. as possible. Like da big Kahuna said, if you are an arse, they make you seem like an even bigger one. Finally - K24 is right - go for a light OD. It should not hurt you - just don’t get aggressive with guys. See what an OD is like. Discover your upper limit. Your sweet spot will probably be just below the levels of that light OD. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmie\_D](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kimmie_d/32/1185_2.png) [@Kimmie\_D](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kimmie_D)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 3:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/19 "2008-07-08T03:08:05Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Otherwise you could spray Turn Up The Heat on a stiff at a funeral and watch grieving women hump themselves raw 'n red. That was funny. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 5:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956/20 "2008-07-08T05:57:34Z")
> [@theperv584](#): > > Lol, it was bad shit to puke. I was polite to get myself out of there. I cook well; have weekly cookouts with another girl who stays near my place. This girl, immediately after I puked, asked if my vegetables (I did my signature dish to bring there) were rotten. She did the main course, rice and drinks. I felt a bit insulted when she did that-- did not know if that was intentional. But I know pheromones do not change character of people so I just cut my losses. I did thank her for the effort to prepare the meal and stuff, i.e. proper pleasantries. Normally it takes 4-6 hours for food poisoning to make you sick, Especially bacterial types of food poisoning, reactions to metals or other contaminates could be faster. Are you sure it wasn’t something you ate earlier in the day? > [@theperv584](#): > > Yeah, will do an extensive 5 day test next week at work for my A314. Any good indicators of A314 at its sweet spot? Also when is it time to stop increasing dosages, meaning what signs of OD appear? > ps. I am scared of ODing. ☹ Don’t be afraid, I would just experiment around people you don’t have to see again for a while, put on a few sprays or drops and go to the market, mall or park, and watch reactions of the people you try and interact with. (carry a map and ask for directions, or ask for help with something) an OD will get hostile or very short replies, somewhere in the sweet spot you will get return flirting. (try and pick test subjects similar in age and race to your “target”) > [@Kimmie\_D](#): > > That was funny. I saw that too and thought of **“Wedding Crashers”** I Sadly have to say, it is the truth. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hits-yet-from-ammo-io-and-a314-raise-the-dose-or-test-them-one-at-a-time/14956.md?page=2)