# No-hitter in a bar last night **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 20, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hitter-in-a-bar-last-night/28218 "2009-04-20T14:54:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hitter-in-a-bar-last-night/28218/1 "2009-04-20T14:54:43Z")
I’m sure we’ve all run into situations like this. After getting hits from using pheromones, we end up with a no-hitter from time to time. Anyway, a bar near my place was having a singles’ night (hosted by a different company than the events I usually go to). Since I made a large order recently, this was a good time to try things out. This is what I put on: - [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), 2 sprays, on the sides of the neck - Ammunition, 2 sprays, one on each wrist - Instant Shine, 1 spray, on the chest I did most of the things correctly, as far as approaching women goes. For instance, I didn’t stare at anyone, didn’t dance by myself (one other man did that, and women shyed away from him), and followed the 3-second rule (asking a woman to dance within 3 seconds of noticing her). However, I ended up dancing only twice the entire night, and the women who danced with me weren’t dancing closely. I also think I might have ghosted at one point, because I had difficulty getting the bartender’s (female) attention when trying to order a beer. While it wasn’t a bad night, it was clearly a no-hitter. I’m sure it’s just another lesson to be learned. But what went wrong? Did IG and Ammo somehow clash with each other, producing the ghost effect? I had great hits from IG and Ammo when I used each of them individually, but together, they produced a no-hitter. I ruled out Instant Shine, because from what people on here said, it can go with everything. So if someone can suggest any possible explanations, post them here. For the purpose of explaining the phero effects, I’m 25 and Caucasian. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2009, 3:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hitter-in-a-bar-last-night/28218/2 "2009-04-20T15:13:31Z")
I doubt you overdosed on -none, and as far as I know I don’t think Androsterone has any type of -none side effects (like ghosting.) However, I may be wrong as I really don’t have that much experience with IG. [Pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) won’t always work, and that’s probably what happened (nothing you did wrong.) Not all women will respond to a pheromone signature. Plus a lot of factors come into play, for example if they didn’t personally find you attractive consciously or sub-consciously obviously they won’t respond to the pheromone signature. Because as we all know, pheromones _won’t_ make someone be attracted to you if they don’t find you attractive. I mean it’s _possible_, but a lot of stuff comes into play like your “game” and them possibly having some sub-conscious attraction toward you. As far as I think your mix sounds OK. On another note, in the women’s forum a few girls seem to not get good results with IS, and some even talk about actually getting moody and whatnot. A total opposite of what IS is supposed to do, so this could PROBABLY be another reason. > [@TheAttractor](#): > > I’m sure we’ve all run into situations like this. After getting hits from using pheromones, we end up with a no-hitter from time to time. Anyway, a bar near my place was having a singles’ night (hosted by a different company than the events I usually go to). Since I made a large order recently, this was a good time to try things out. This is what I put on: > > - Instant Gentleman, 2 sprays, on the sides of the neck > - Ammunition, 2 sprays, one on each wrist > - Instant Shine, 1 spray, on the chest > > I did most of the things correctly, as far as approaching women goes. For instance, I didn’t stare at anyone, didn’t dance by myself (one other man did that, and women shyed away from him), and followed the 3-second rule (asking a woman to dance within 3 seconds of noticing her). However, I ended up dancing only twice the entire night, and the women who danced with me weren’t dancing closely. I also think I might have ghosted at one point, because I had difficulty getting the bartender’s (female) attention when trying to order a beer. > > While it wasn’t a bad night, it was clearly a no-hitter. I’m sure it’s just another lesson to be learned. But what went wrong? Did IG and Ammo somehow clash with each other, producing the ghost effect? I had great hits from IG and Ammo when I used each of them individually, but together, they produced a no-hitter. I ruled out Instant Shine, because from what people on here said, it can go with everything. > > So if someone can suggest any possible explanations, post them here. For the purpose of explaining the phero effects, I’m 25 and Caucasian. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hitter-in-a-bar-last-night/28218/3 "2009-04-20T15:57:05Z")
Just have more confidence 😃 LOL Just kidding… really, I couldnt help it… Come on you know its funny… 😛 ((((((TheAttractor))))))) hugs Ok on to mones. You didn’t do anything wrong. If mones worked on everyone every time there would be a mating frenzy every where you go. We all emit mones naturally. It could be many things outside of your control. Climate, atmosphere, PMS (women synchronize you know), allergies (tis the season) But most likely your ratio was off. I dont think the Ishine caused crankiness. That has been reported maybe in 5 out of 1000 users but Ishine is pretty consistent. It can contribute to softening the combo as a whole though but Ishine and AMMO usually go very well together. You tried them on their own and they worked for you. That’s good but when you start to combo one mix can buffer another and this is probably what happened to you. Cut back on the IG to 1 spray. When using arone with anone it buffers well at a 3 to 1 ratio some reported higher. Remember IG is primarily arone and there is arone in AMMO as well. You over did the safe smooth non threatening vibe and slipped right under their radar. Try 2 to 3 of AMMO and 1 IG. Another tip, wear the AMMO to the chest and the IG to the wrists or better yet the forearms if your wearing short sleeves. I find wrists not to be that diffusive and not the greatest for having them move in closer to you. We all have off days. Are you keeping notes for yourself ? I know this seems extreme but you will see patterns on what works for you in not only dosage but application points and ratios as well as situations. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hitter-in-a-bar-last-night/28218/4 "2009-04-20T16:00:56Z")
Ah, another reason I love -none! > [@tisha23](#): > > Cut back on the IG to 1 spray. When using arone with anone it buffers well at a 3 to 1 ratio. Remember IG is primarily arone and there is arone in AMMO as well. You over did the safe smooth non threatening vibe and slipped right under their radar. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hitter-in-a-bar-last-night/28218/5 "2009-04-20T16:02:20Z")
Attractor, how well do you “know” each of the products you are mixing together? ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hitter-in-a-bar-last-night/28218/6 "2009-04-20T17:21:11Z")
no biggie, brush it off. nobody bats a 1,000. women still want you, and men want to be you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hitter-in-a-bar-last-night/28218/7 "2009-04-20T19:10:45Z")
I suspected there was something wrong with the mix. I didn’t realize that [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) contained androsterone. I must have OD’ed on -rone, so no wonder I ghosted. Although I was under the impression that with high -rone, I’d get faster service at the bar; oh well. Interestingly, men seemed quite comfortable making small talk with me. So maybe those were hits, just not the ones I was aiming for, so “no-hitter” refers to the hits I wanted. To respond to catlord17, I tried Ammo and IG individually, and they worked wonderfully; I was even able to get the amounts right. But like Tisha pointed out, those two products somehow clashed when used together due to the wrong ratio. I’ll keep that in mind next time I use a combination of products. This goes to show you; not only having a good experience, but also knowing what went wrong in a bad experience can be an ego boost. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 1:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hitter-in-a-bar-last-night/28218/8 "2009-04-21T01:48:32Z")
The reason I ask is that trying them, and getting to know them, are not the same thing. Mixing is fun and exciting, but really getting to know each product makes it much more effective for mixing because you know how they will work ahead of time. ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hitter-in-a-bar-last-night/28218/9 "2009-04-21T04:00:29Z")
I’m relatively new to pheromones, so I don’t think I’ve gotten to know them yet, and I’m not sure what constitutes “getting to know”. But when I used Ammo or IG individually, I’ve had good results with them. Ammo worked well multiple times, at singles’ events and in situations involving dancing. I only tried IG only once, but it worked very nicely when I put it on before hanging out with my friend who’s a girl and her friend. It’s when I used those two pheros together is when they clashed. Tisha pointed out some things that explained why it happened. Live and learn. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 9:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hitter-in-a-bar-last-night/28218/10 "2009-04-21T09:53:47Z")
It isn’t that you’re [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) and Ammo clashed. It was all the rone drowning out the anone. Ammo is considered a well buffered none product and it only contains 2.5mcg of rone and 2.5mcg of Anol. There is something like 12.5mcg of rone in a spray of Instant Gentleman, so you where wearing roughly 30mcg of rone to buffer 5 mcg of none. A much better combo would have been 2 Instant Gentleman and 2 TUTH, 25mcg of rone and 5 mcg of none. Although there is the same amount of none in TUTH as in Ammo, the steering molecules make it much more ‘edgy’ but when wearing it with 2 sprays of Instant Gentleman you should find something like a turbo ammo. It’s pretty well buffered but it’s still something I’d only wear to clubs. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 10:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-hitter-in-a-bar-last-night/28218/11 "2009-04-21T10:50:31Z")
A7 has a good androstenone/ androsterone ratio of 6mcg of androstenone and 1 mcg of -rone. But its in oil slow release form, so the ratio for spray form would be different. Scent of Eros also uses -rone in small amounts so that the other molecule a-nol dominates…So yes, as Tisha says, when using spray formats, 3 or 2.5:1 ratio [in mcg’s], Androsterone to Androstenone seems good. So say 5mcg of Androstenone to 12.5mcg of -rone. eg. 2 Ammo [or Tuh] to 1 IG as Tisha suggests. This has actually worked very well for me. i think Ammo and IG work very well together. My ratios with A314/ Ammo would be 2 sprays of each or 1:1 as the oil release format of the -rone would not over-power the -none buzz. i love ratios talk, very interesting 🙂