# No longer getting effects from A314: bad bottle, redosing, or try IG and P75? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 30, 2017, 9:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134 "2017-04-30T09:05:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Trillmendous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Trillmendous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trillmendous)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 9:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/1 "2017-04-30T09:05:06Z")
I don’t know why but I just don’t get the effects of a314 that I use to get. I even stopped using mones completely for about 2 weeks and started up again as a kind of reset button. I don’t feel self effects or get the typical a314 effects from others. I stopped mixing it in combos as well and started using it stand alone and still nothing. I decided to buy [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) and maybe p75, hopefully these 2 will give me something closer to what I am looking for. The Youth a314 is a little bit too expensive for me unfortunately. My question is does anyone know what could be the problem? Is it me? could my bottle have gone bad? Will IG and P75 be good alternatives? ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 11:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/2 "2017-04-30T11:38:53Z")
It’s natural to perceive that your A314 is different because what you are using now is the oil, and what you are using back then are the sprays. 🙂 There’s no problem with your A314 now, its Rev32. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 3:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/3 "2017-04-30T15:05:39Z")
Maybe you should test again for a new dose - I’ve done that periodically across the various revisions and I have revised it up and down again as things changed. ---
**Author:** ![Trillmendous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Trillmendous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trillmendous)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/4 "2017-04-30T17:13:45Z")
> [@Dee\_A](#): > > It’s natural to perceive that your A314 is different because what you are using now is the oil, and what you are using back then are the sprays. 🙂 > > There’s no problem with your A314 now, its Rev32. 🙂 I’m not saying you’re wrong but I definitely don’t think it’s working and it’s not the way I’m perceiving it I just don’t think it’s working. It could be that I’m applying it wrong or it could be the bottle it self but it’s not working for me. I definitely am not ruling out that application might be the issue and don’t take my post the wrong way I am not accusing you guys of giving me a faulty batch I’m just trying to get to the bottom of why my bottle won’t work for me. ---
**Author:** ![Trillmendous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Trillmendous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trillmendous)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/5 "2017-04-30T17:19:58Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Maybe you should test again for a new dose - I’ve done that periodically across the various revisions and I have revised it up and down again as things changed. What about switching to IG or [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/), would you recommend that instead? ---
**Author:** ![Bundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@Bundy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bundy)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/6 "2017-04-30T20:18:56Z")
My Rev 31 A314 doesn’t work for me either, So I got IG and had fantastic hits with it. ---
**Author:** ![Trillmendous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Trillmendous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trillmendous)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 9:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/7 "2017-04-30T21:51:08Z")
> [@Bundy](#): > > My Rev 31 A314 doesn’t work for me either, > So I got IG and had fantastic hits with it. Yeah I ordered IG a few hours ago hopefully it works well. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 9:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/8 "2017-05-01T09:35:44Z")
> [@Bundy](#): > > My Rev 31 A314 doesn’t work for me either, > So I got IG and had fantastic hits with it. Rev31 was a dud due to very poor diffusion. If you still have it, I suggest you open a support ticket to get a refund/exchange - IIRC AD promised they would honour it right down to the bottom of the bottle. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 9:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/9 "2017-05-01T09:42:54Z")
> [@Trillmendous](#): > > What about switching to IG or P75, would you recommend that instead? Its a valuable combo in its own right yes and a useful fallback in the absence of A314 plus maybe for younger guys but it is by no means an A314 replacement. Another approach might be to try a shot of [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) alongside A314 - that can bump its status impact-up considerably but start with a very small dose as IME too much P75 can make A314 unpleasantly unmanageable. But I still think that going back and re-dosing might be your best option, esp if you have just stepped-up from the sprays to the oil. The subtleties of oil can take some getting used to - It took about a month of regular use/sweet spot testing before I got to grips with it and TBH, there were periods where I wondered why I was bothering. ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 10:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/10 "2017-05-03T10:24:58Z")
> [@Trillmendous](#): > > I’m not saying you’re wrong but I definitely don’t think it’s working and it’s not the way I’m perceiving it I just don’t think it’s working. It could be that I’m applying it wrong or it could be the bottle it self but it’s not working for me. > > I definitely am not ruling out that application might be the issue and don’t take my post the wrong way I am not accusing you guys of giving me a faulty batch I’m just trying to get to the bottom of why my bottle won’t work for me. Oh! Sorry if my response sounds like I am accusing you of something. I’m not. I am just saying that since you are used to the spray’s vibe, which is blatant, there’s a possibility that your body is somehow expecting the same effect with the oil, which is subtle. I second Mobocaster’s recommendation to retry with a different dose. And your age might be another reason. You are 24. So I think you might see cool results with IG. Just don’t give up on the A314. using 1 drop of it daily will eventually lead you to the hits you are seeking. ---
**Author:** ![ScentHound](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scenthound/32/1840_2.png) [@ScentHound](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScentHound)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/11 "2017-05-04T19:15:59Z")
> [@Trillmendous](#): > > I don’t know why but I just don’t get the effects of a314 that I use to get. I even stopped using mones completely for about 2 weeks and started up again as a kind of reset button. I don’t feel self effects or get the typical a314 effects from others. I stopped mixing it in combos as well and started using it stand alone and still nothing. > > I decided to buy Instant Gentleman and maybe p75, hopefully these 2 will give me something closer to what I am looking for. The Youth a314 is a little bit too expensive for me unfortunately. > > My question is does anyone know what could be the problem? Is it me? could my bottle have gone bad? Will IG and P75 be good alternatives? Yeah, if you’re switched over from the A314 spray to the oil, the self effects are more subtle as are the perceived effects in others. I remember when I used 2 sprays A314b, people around me would frequently freeze and stare at me with a blank expression (Deer In Head Lights-look) but that rarely happens with the oil version. All of the oil versions I have tried have worked great with plenty of status and respect, though. Try scrubbing your neck thoroughly with soap and hot water in the shower for a couple of days, don’t wear any [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) during this time.. apply 3 drops of A314 and then go socialize. I would be highly surprised if you didn’t see people treat you very differently from your normal, non-pheromone baseline. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Trillmendous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Trillmendous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trillmendous)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/12 "2017-05-06T06:38:01Z")
I got a question about IG and I didn’t want to open up a completely new thread. Is IG pretty much a314 but without the sexual steering molecules? Or is it more complicated then that? Just trying to understand what situations would warrant a314 and which would warrant IG. ---
**Author:** ![ScentHound](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scenthound/32/1840_2.png) [@ScentHound](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScentHound)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 9:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/13 "2017-05-07T21:54:23Z")
> [@Trillmendous](#): > > I got a question about IG and I didn’t want to open up a completely new thread. > > Is IG pretty much a314 but without the sexual steering molecules? Or is it more complicated then that? Just trying to understand what situations would warrant a314 and which would warrant IG. No, IG and A314 are very different products. Neither are very sexual on their own, IMO. A314 is mainly androsterone with a lot of other molecules that steer the mix and enhance the feel from the Rone, whereas IG is just Rone + 2 steering molecules in minute amounts. A314 isn’t very sexual, but can be quite SEXY to some women.. sexy like a greying Brad Pitt or a George Clooney is. IG seems to give off a COOL guy kinda vibe, a bit like Bradley Cooper maybe, at least to me, but I’m not really a straight female, so forgive me if I’m way off the mark here, haha. 1 drop of A314 + 1 spray IG is a very solid combo, though. Sort of the best of both worlds for me, not too overpowering in A314 status but also not too tame like a single spray of IG would be on it’s own.. Both A314 and IG can be further ‘sexualized’ by a spray of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) or TUTH if that’s what you’re looking for in a mix. If I were closing a big business deal, it would be pure A314 for me. But if I’m meeting new people in a more casual setting and I want to win everybody over with my charm in a jiffy I’d go pure IG. That’s how I use the two, but I do like to combine, like I mentioned above or use A314 as the base for more romantic mixes, to get into the head of a quality girl 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Trillmendous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Trillmendous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trillmendous)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/14 "2017-05-08T19:41:11Z")
> [@ScentHound](#): > > No, IG and A314 are very different products. > > Neither are very sexual on their own, IMO. A314 is mainly androsterone with a lot of other molecules that steer the mix and enhance the feel from the Rone, whereas IG is just Rone + 2 steering molecules in minute amounts. > > A314 isn’t very sexual, but can be quite SEXY to some women.. sexy like a greying Brad Pitt or a George Clooney is. > > IG seems to give off a COOL guy kinda vibe, a bit like Bradley Cooper maybe, at least to me, but I’m not really a straight female, so forgive me if I’m way off the mark here, haha. > > 1 drop of A314 + 1 spray IG is a very solid combo, though. Sort of the best of both worlds for me, not too overpowering in A314 status but also not too tame like a single spray of IG would be on it’s own.. > > Both A314 and IG can be further ‘sexualized’ by a spray of Ammo or TUTH if that’s what you’re looking for in a mix. > > If I were closing a big business deal, it would be pure A314 for me. But if I’m meeting new people in a more casual setting and I want to win everybody over with my charm in a jiffy I’d go pure IG. That’s how I use the two, but I do like to combine, like I mentioned above or use A314 as the base for more romantic mixes, to get into the head of a quality girl 🙂 correct me if I’m wrong but I read somewhere that a314 does have a tad bit of -none in it and IG does not. That’s why I asked that earlier. I get what you mean though a314 isn’t a sexual product but in my mind I thought it was a status product with a sexual vibe hidden underneath the status. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 9:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-longer-getting-effects-from-a314-bad-bottle-redosing-or-try-ig-and-p75/67134/15 "2017-05-09T09:04:15Z")
Yes - A314 has what was described as a “trace” amount of None - Which more serves to underline its masculine qualities rather than act as an overt sexual. So it must be pretty low? But there is something else in the A314 steering that make its status so different - several theories over the years but the interaction of a small amount of [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) and some P106 can be enlightening - try those with IG to see what I mean! Some women do tun-on to straight status though and of course some women, notably (but not entirely) Asians don’t do so well with overt None, so it all balances-out. Personally I’m not so fond of A314/IG - but that could be an age thing. On a young guy it could well be a much better proposition.