# No Male Presence **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 17, 2009, 1:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617 "2009-08-17T01:16:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 1:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/1 "2009-08-17T01:16:07Z")
OK i went to this party the other night and it seemed to me that i could be walked all over and the like. it just seemed that all the people in the room/porch had no respect for me. I was even asked if i was gay. this bitch even tried to take away my zune(iPod) that i brought to the party to listen to, she knew it was mine. i had no alpha male presence. this is what i wore 3 sprays [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/)(with 3 sprays applied 7 hours earlier.) it is 1x 1 spray Ammo. I also noticed this about my body chemistry. I have no B.O. smell after working out or sweating. none. whatsoever. i can smell this kind of thing on any person or anybody. I can sweat all day long and still not smell like B.O. now, either i “ghosted” or i dont even know what else. This kind of thing has occured over and over in the course of high school. what im tryin to say/ask is **Did i “ghost” or what happened? how did i come across as gay?** ---
**Author:** ![Mco-gnv](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mco-gnv/32/229_2.png) [@Mco-gnv](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mco-gnv)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/2 "2009-08-17T01:25:16Z")
You shouldnt have been ghosted, that usually happens at much higher doses, eg. 12 sprays [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). Perhaps jolt up the Ammo to 3 sprays last time. Bring the IG down to 1 or 2 sprays. I find IG is more suitable for business and family related matters rather than socializing with people. If you have some A314 you can turn up that male presence a bunch. Try just Ammo next time at a higher dose and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Xman0142](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/13edae/32.png) [@Xman0142](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xman0142)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 1:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/3 "2009-08-17T01:45:45Z")
hey man ammo works wonders for me at 2 sprays. Try using more ammo. But u say this has happend earlier in highschool maybe, not saying ur weak or anything, the instant gentleman is supposed to make tough guys seem more approachable and stuff like that so it makes you a little more like a beta male if your more of alpha male. So if u are already a beta male, which from what u said earlier about this happening in highschool i draw my conclusion from, then you are making yourself seem more beta and what u really need is more alpha. you feel me? ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/4 "2009-08-17T01:49:02Z")
How are your mannerisms? I think this could be a thing regarding congruency just as much as it could be a problem with the pheromone doses used. Do you walk with your vision straight ahead? Make eye contact? Walk with your chest sticking out and back straight (ala confident male?) If not, maybe you weren’t being congruent with your [pheromones](https://a314.com/), either that or she was just a b@_%^ and her acting like that towards you influenced the others in the room to treat you the same way. Especially if you didn’t act congruent and just shrugged her off. But as mentioned, maybe she was just a b%^&_? ---
**Author:** ![justaguy2116](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ec9cab/32.png) [@justaguy2116](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justaguy2116)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 1:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/5 "2009-08-17T01:54:00Z")
Also it sounds like we’re dealing with girls who are about your age - from my experience, women in the 18-20 age range aren’t necessarily looking for, or comfortable dealing with, the kind of vibe that [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) is supposed to create. And despite what they’d like to think, women in that age range aren’t particularly mature (emotionally and socially speaking), so it could just be that they were reacting in a typical immature way to a more mature phero vibe that they simply had no idea how to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 2:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/6 "2009-08-17T02:36:35Z")
True as well! > [@justaguy2116](#): > > Also it sounds like we’re dealing with girls who are about your age - from my experience, women in the 18-20 age range aren’t necessarily looking for, or comfortable dealing with, the kind of vibe that Instant Gentleman is supposed to create. And despite what they’d like to think, women in that age range aren’t particularly mature (emotionally and socially speaking), so it could just be that they were reacting in a typical immature way to a more mature phero vibe that they simply had no idea how to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 4:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/7 "2009-08-17T04:11:49Z")
even though that may be the problem. so lets say i put on some a314, that will HELP the problem? ---
**Author:** ![justaguy2116](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ec9cab/32.png) [@justaguy2116](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justaguy2116)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 4:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/8 "2009-08-17T04:22:07Z")
> [@tfer15](#): > > even though that may be the problem. > > so lets say i put on some a314, that will HELP the problem? If it’s the maturity issue that I mentioned, then A314 probably will not help. It’s not so much that you have NO male presence, it’s that “male presence” for females in that age range means something different than the “male presence” that IG and A314 provide. “Male presence” to girls in that age range often means the douchey, over-the-top jerk who tries to assert himself as an alpha male by being an immature jackass. IG and A314 portray charisma and dependability, which tend to be characteristics that women start to look for more as they get a little older and more mature. So if it’s an issue of the crowd being immature, then A314 will probably make things worse; more Ammo, or a little Turn Up The Heat or [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) might be the direction you need to go with them if this is the case. ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 4:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/9 "2009-08-17T04:31:12Z")
i think that is the case. i just might get some [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/), then ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/10 "2009-08-17T04:39:33Z")
so if i can only get one product for college life, which one would be the best to solve this situation a314 or Instant Jerk ---
**Author:** ![justaguy2116](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ec9cab/32.png) [@justaguy2116](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justaguy2116)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 4:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/11 "2009-08-17T04:54:02Z")
It sounds like you already have Ammo, and your sig indicates you also have TUTH and [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/). If you haven’t already done so, I’d say try those in varying doses before you commit to buying another product. You might find that one of them, or a combination thereof, will meet all your needs as far as meeting girls at parties/clubs/bars. ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 4:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/12 "2009-08-17T04:56:29Z")
ah sorry to say but no more IFM. Mco-gv has it! we traded for some cttm2 and some instant shine instead of IFM ---
**Author:** ![justaguy2116](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ec9cab/32.png) [@justaguy2116](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justaguy2116)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 4:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/13 "2009-08-17T04:59:22Z")
> [@tfer15](#): > > ah sorry to say but no more IFM. Mco-gv has it! we traded for some cttm2 and some instant shine instead of IFM Ahhh, I see. The CTTM and Shine would probably still be helpful, especially in combinations with TUTH. ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/14 "2009-08-17T05:01:44Z")
wouldnt it end up being a knocked up version of ammo? i mean 'none socials alpha/beta pheros from my 2 years bein here i think that this would be the same ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/15 "2009-08-17T05:03:00Z")
Well, the answer to that is simple. Ask yourself what the majority of personality types are in college. Alpha jerks, or legit _nice_ Alpha guys? Then you’ll have your answer, but if you go with IJ don’t shrug the power of buffering it with socials. Once you have this down (a good ratio of IJ and socials) you’ll still have that commanding jerk vibe, _but_ you will be able to keep it at a _safe_ level with the socials all while still being “jerk” enough to hold your own (just without causing possible fights or problems.) Another thing to note is that, if she’s a b&_^% she’ll remain a b_&^% no matter what. Pheromones CAN’T change someone’s true feeling they have regarding what they think about you. As we all know, pheromones can’t change someone’s mind (_maybe_ possible to a certain extent, but possibly no.) > [@tfer15](#): > > so if i can only get one product for college life, which one would be the best to solve this situation > > a314 or Instant Jerk ---
**Author:** ![justaguy2116](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ec9cab/32.png) [@justaguy2116](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justaguy2116)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/16 "2009-08-17T05:04:13Z")
> [@tfer15](#): > > wouldnt it end up being a knocked up version of ammo? i mean > > 'none > socials > alpha/beta pheros > > from my 2 years bein here i think that this would be the same It might, but Ammo only comes in one fixed ratio - even if Ammo itself doesn’t work for you, a different ratio of the same pheros might have a different effect. I guess the only way of finding out for sure is to play around with it. I’m personally still messing around with mixtures as well, so this is just what I’m reasoning based on things I’ve read and the small amount of testing I’ve been able to do. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/17 "2009-08-17T05:12:54Z")
Not really, AMMO is -none, Alpha Androstenol, and Androsterone (main ingredient in IG and A314.) TUTH is -none, but with some steering agents to steer it in a more sexual manner, so who knows what sort of difference these “steering” agents will do to a new combination. All it really comes down to is finding a good ratio of each component and this takes quite a bit of trial and error (finding a mix that works for you.) Maybe you over did it with the Androsterone, and she felt (your vibe) you as too much of a “lame/boring” “old” seeming kid? > [@tfer15](#): > > wouldnt it end up being a knocked up version of ammo? i mean > > 'none > socials > alpha/beta pheros > > from my 2 years bein here i think that this would be the same ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/18 "2009-08-17T05:32:50Z")
ahh so i should spice it up with some none and such ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/19 "2009-08-17T05:36:34Z")
You’re lucky about the lack of smell, my sweat is really bad! The lack of smell from your sweat may not be due to a lack of pheromones. At least part of the smell of sweat is in fact due to natural bacteria living on your skin feeding on stuff in your sweat, and producing smelly waste. The strains of bacteria living on the skin differ from person to person, so I wonder if you just don’t have stinky bacteria on you? ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 6:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617/20 "2009-08-17T06:16:33Z")
that could be true, or it could be that i just produce extremely low amounts of 'none and other natural pheros. look at it this way. my cousin who i live with is ten. i can smell him all the time. we live in the same house and are by each other all the time. wouldnt we share the same bacteria? [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-male-presence/31617.md?page=2)