# No results after a few days with TUTH, Ammo and IJ: advice on expectations **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 8, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-after-a-few-days-with-tuth-ammo-and-ij-advice-on-expectations/65449 "2016-01-08T21:02:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MohammedIQBAL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7993a0/32.png) [@MohammedIQBAL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MohammedIQBAL)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-after-a-few-days-with-tuth-ammo-and-ij-advice-on-expectations/65449/1 "2016-01-08T21:02:21Z")
Guys, I am not having ago at the company neither am I saying pheromones dont work. What I am saying is they havent worked for me despite me spending 200 dollars on the products. First of all I have to say I have good fashion sense and am in good shape, clean shaven. The reason I invested in these pheromones to give me more of an edge in dating and talking to women. The first day I did apply turn up the heat on my throat. Did not see any effects of it at the office or chatting to women in bars. AMMO (first day 2 AND DAY 3 1 spray) Did one spray in front of my throat. Within 30 mins of applying AMMO I was on a crowded train surrounded by women. Did not notice any IOI’s or changes in body language. Chatted to three women had friendly chats with them in a bookshop. AMMO seemed to make no difference to my “game”. I saw the same results without the pheromone. Chatted to women and men in the office. Again did not see any quantitative results from AMMO. Was surrounded by women in lifts. Again no changes in body language not even subtle IOI’s. Day 4 AMMO 2 sprays under the throat Again no results just friendly chats with women that I use to have before spraying myself with AMMO. DAY 4 - Did a combo AMMO with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) Sprayed AMMO behind my ears 1 spray behind each ear and 1 spray of Instant Shine on my throad. Again no differences when it came to talking to women. I got a phone number from a woman in a bookshop but I was able to get phone numbers from women before ever using pheromones. Day 5 - Instant Jerk Applied one spray to my chest and one spray to my throat allowed 15 mins for it to settle. Did not feel the effects of being a jerk. I am pretty much confident at talking to anyone. However I never experienced the jerk effects that people seem to talk about. ---
**Author:** ![MohammedIQBAL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7993a0/32.png) [@MohammedIQBAL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MohammedIQBAL)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-after-a-few-days-with-tuth-ammo-and-ij-advice-on-expectations/65449/2 "2016-01-08T21:04:19Z")
Its possible that I am immune to pheromones and because the British are very much reserved people they are also immune to pheromones. To be honest I feel I have wasted over 200 dollars of products that never helped me with my dating life. I will [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) ago tomorrow to see if that works. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 3:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-after-a-few-days-with-tuth-ammo-and-ij-advice-on-expectations/65449/3 "2016-01-09T03:49:30Z")
For starters, immediate/overwhelming results the first time you use pheros are a fairly rare thing. They can happen, yes but more usually you need to stick with them for a while and then see the overall responses are better than without. Also look for eye-contact and physical/nonverbal cues - These are often a better indicator of a phero response than if someone is willing to chat - ie look for the woman staring at you with her tongue more or less hanging out - and smile back! See where that goes 😉 Dosing - keep going. In your 50s, you will find that you may need higher doses compared to younger guys - esp with sexuals like [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) or TUTH. If its any help, I would usually regard 4 sprays of standard Ammo as fairly typical daytime wear. This is why I normally use the 2x product as a scent control measure. IJ - well you can wear that pretty freely by our age too. although less inhibited environments are still best - one spray is quite reasonable in daytime and 2 or more in pubs and clubs. You won’t always get self effects - but people will perceive you as having a very forward and confrontational nature, so a lot may ghost/ignore you and some may get stroppy but it is worth it when you meet someone tuned-in to the sig. They tend to make their liking known pretty smartly. When you sprayed on your chest - was that under clothing? If so, that will reduce impact greatly and I would suggest getting it out on the skin where it can diffuse, otherwise its a wasted dose. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 4:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-after-a-few-days-with-tuth-ammo-and-ij-advice-on-expectations/65449/4 "2016-01-09T04:04:28Z")
No lost money because of the guarantee. A great read on that subject: [https://a314.com/](https://a314.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 5:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-after-a-few-days-with-tuth-ammo-and-ij-advice-on-expectations/65449/5 "2016-01-09T05:32:41Z")
I agree with mobocaster. Don’t expect ‘magic’ the first time around. ---
**Author:** ![MohammedIQBAL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7993a0/32.png) [@MohammedIQBAL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MohammedIQBAL)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 9:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-after-a-few-days-with-tuth-ammo-and-ij-advice-on-expectations/65449/6 "2016-01-09T09:28:31Z")
Hi Mobocaster Thanks for the contructive feedback. I kept an eye out for eye-contact and physical/nonverbal cues. I saw nothing. The IJ was sprayed on my chest yes however i just had a shirt and jacket. Will spray on other areas of my body such as the neck to see if there are any differences. > [@mobocaster](#): > > For starters, immediate/overwhelming results the first time you use pheros are a fairly rare thing. They can happen, yes but more usually you need to stick with them for a while and then see the overall responses are better than without. Also look for eye-contact and physical/nonverbal cues - These are often a better indicator of a phero response than if someone is willing to chat - ie look for the woman staring at you with her tongue more or less hanging out - and smile back! See where that goes 😉 > > Dosing - keep going. In your 50s, you will find that you may need higher doses compared to younger guys - esp with sexuals like Ammo or TUTH. If its any help, I would usually regard 4 sprays of standard Ammo as fairly typical daytime wear. This is why I normally use the 2x product as a scent control measure. > > IJ - well you can wear that pretty freely by our age too. although less inhibited environments are still best - one spray is quite reasonable in daytime and 2 or more in pubs and clubs. You won’t always get self effects - but people will perceive you as having a very forward and confrontational nature, so a lot may ghost/ignore you and some may get stroppy but it is worth it when you meet someone tuned-in to the sig. They tend to make their liking known pretty smartly. > > When you sprayed on your chest - was that under clothing? If so, that will reduce impact greatly and I would suggest getting it out on the skin where it can diffuse, otherwise its a wasted dose. ---
**Author:** ![MohammedIQBAL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7993a0/32.png) [@MohammedIQBAL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MohammedIQBAL)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 9:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-after-a-few-days-with-tuth-ammo-and-ij-advice-on-expectations/65449/7 "2016-01-09T09:29:26Z")
This is not the first time around I tested them over a few days. Will continue testing and what unfolds. > [@Jdub](#): > > I agree with mobocaster. > > Don’t expect ‘magic’ the first time around. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-after-a-few-days-with-tuth-ammo-and-ij-advice-on-expectations/65449/8 "2016-01-09T17:13:17Z")
I wouldn’t be discouraged if I were you. I hardly get any results with ammo alone. Basically no results with TUTH alone. Nor with Ammo and TUTH together. Absolutely no results with IS alone or paired with anything else. But I haven’t tried IJ. What it took for me was to find ‘buffers’ and ‘disinhibitors’ to go with Ammo and to go with TUTH. Really, you sound like you have nothing to worry about and are in the same boat as me. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-after-a-few-days-with-tuth-ammo-and-ij-advice-on-expectations/65449/9 "2016-01-09T21:46:54Z")
Sorry, I accidentally pressed the nominate button. Please disregard. ---
**Author:** ![Rebelinasuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@Rebelinasuit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rebelinasuit)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-after-a-few-days-with-tuth-ammo-and-ij-advice-on-expectations/65449/10 "2016-01-10T01:30:03Z")
Jdub, what did you find finally work for you? You probably got a journal or it’s in this thread of yours - [JDubs phero evaluations](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922) But if you don’t mind “cutting to the chase” and summing up what was it and what did you start to see that made you go - “Hey, this is working”? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 5:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-after-a-few-days-with-tuth-ammo-and-ij-advice-on-expectations/65449/11 "2016-01-10T05:44:36Z")
> [@Rebelinasuit](#): > > Jdub, what did you find finally work for you? > > You probably got a journal or it’s in this thread of yours - [JDubs phero evaluations](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922) > > But if you don’t mind “cutting to the chase” and summing up what was it and what did you start to see that made you go - “Hey, this is working”? Yes that’s my journal, but to cut to the chase, actually I was seeing results right away, but here’s the thing. When I first started using these products they had a promotion and I got a free sample of some social putatives with my order, and despite the advice given to me by those with experience around here (test one product at a time) I tested various products together and saw results. Likely it was because the socials buffered the sexuals (as I used these only in public places in the daytime). However, down the line I tried some products on their own and got nothing. For me, ammo and TUTh MUST be buffered. The best one I found was TAC (molecule C). This thing buffers anything IMO. Also, I had to play and test around for a while and got a lot of bad experiences. (Women getting mad, men looking angry, everybody ignoring me, etc.) My best advice would be to buy some TAC.