# No results at 15 with Instant Shine, TUTH and Ammo: advice on what to use **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 18, 2010, 11:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709 "2010-05-18T23:43:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![boboa48](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boboa48/32/1846_2.png) [@boboa48](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/boboa48)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2010, 11:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/1 "2010-05-18T23:43:55Z")
I’m 15 and this pheremone stuff just isnt working for me. Today before school I used 2 sprays of IShine and 2 of tuth and I havent seen anything I tried 2 sprays of ammo alone and nothing either and same with IShine why is nothing happening? maybe everyone is right and this is just a scam… ---
**Author:** ![walkitout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5daacb/32.png) [@walkitout](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/walkitout)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 12:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/2 "2010-05-19T00:32:52Z")
Wear 5 sprays of TUTH and see if you OD and people ignore you. If you can OD, then the [pheromones](https://a314.com/) have an effect, and you just need to learn to use them properly. ---
**Author:** ![Razorpowell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@Razorpowell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Razorpowell)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 12:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/3 "2010-05-19T00:40:29Z")
Well if it doesn’t work you can just get your money back. Great thing about AD. But if I can recommend a couple of combos- ammox2 ISx3 ammox1, tuthx1, ISx2, IHx2 Try those out, and watch carefully. Signs can be as simple as a girl looking at you multiple times. If they really don’t work for you I don’t know what to say, but I can say that i’m only a year older than you, and in the 3 months since using pheromones I have gotten more than in the past year. Do you get any self effects at all? ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 12:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/4 "2010-05-19T00:44:10Z")
dude, mones work TOO WELL. It can also be a double-edged sword. Use too much of one thing or a bad combo, and the girl doesn’t like it, it can evenleave some BAD impression of you Here is an example (working too good, but not the way I hoped… ☹ ) > [@2nd chance advice... which mones?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/2nd-chance-advice-which-mones/38701): > > Okay, way back in 2009, August and Sept (lol), I started experimenting with AMMO and TUTH and IShine. I was seeing this nice girl and I sometimes used AMMO and AMMO + IShine around. I got good responses. It got her really upbeat and in good mood. One day, I tried to add more fuel to the fire by adding much TUTH with AMMO. However, things went kind of south that evening. the girl was more argumentative than usual, and she seemed to suspect me as shady. I didn’t know why she was acting that way.… ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 1:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/5 "2010-05-19T01:03:08Z")
At 15 years old it would probably be best to stay away from -none products like TUTH and Ammo. Stick with the social pheros like IO, IH, and Instant Shine. If you _have_ to use a -none product use one spray of Ammo and maybe 2 sprays of Instant Shine with 3 sprays [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). If things still don’t work out, get double your money back.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 1:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/6 "2010-05-19T01:10:57Z")
I can’t imagine a 15 year old girl doing much more than either ignoring or fleeing from another 15 year old wearing androstenone. It’s about as incompatible and incongruent as it gets. Toss the anone and stick to socials based on androstenol and TAA. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 1:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/7 "2010-05-19T01:13:56Z")
You’re 15 years old. Well that says a few things. 1. You already produce enough -none. 2. Girls your age dont respond to high levels of -none. 3. You’re in a high school, that kind of behavior is harder DURING school. Maybe some girls will do it but I highly doubt it. 4. You’re only 15, unless you’ve had some training, or know how to pick up on cues, you might be missing some. 5. Congruency, Are you acting the way that the pheromones are meant to be? If you’re reserved and you’re wearing TUTH, AMMO, IS. It doesn’t matter if the water from the bottles are derived directly from the fountain of youth, it’s not going to help you whatsoever. A simply spray of natural human hormones will ACCENTUATE what you already have and believe in yourself. If you’re simply not CONGRUENT with your actions and the pheromones that you spray will give off one effect and your body language will give off another. Women can naturally tell within 10 seconds of meeting you how you are with your body language, people who are naturals at picking women up who don’t have pheromones have CONGRUENCY with their actions, looks, and demeanor. Essentially they have their mental and physical selves in order and everything blends into one, you might call it as someone being “smooth” with the ladies. That’s because they know who they are, what they can accomplish, and what they bring to the table. They’re not looking for some tricks or a line that’s automatically going to get a girl to like them just by that. When you feel/act/talk a certain way and pheromones project another, then you will have what’s called cognitive dissonance, what that means is that the girl will hold two oppositely different ideas about you (Pheromones and your body language) and will be in conflict to what to do. Now they will change their beliefs, actions, and even attitudes and behaviors to suit one of the ideas. Most often, what they see in your body language will win out over any pheromone that you have. I strongly believe this is what’s going on because I have yet to meet or know a 15 year old who was that good at mastering this that they know how to do it perfectly, some people are natural because from birth and their upbringing, they’re automatically alpha males, they don’t care what people think, their the “cool guys” of your high school because it came naturally for them, why do you think most girls in high school flock to the natural alpha males, because they don’t know any better and their going based on their natural feelings that are genetically embedded in our brains. Females will always want the protector, the strong one, its inherent in the reproductive capacity of human beings. If you really want to learn this stuff, I would just search around on NLP, and those "How to get women E-Books out there. I did see PUA linked over here but I’m not too sure what we can or cannot post on the forums. What you’re looking for, you’re not going to get it over night with the Pheromones, I don’t care how much they do work (I personally believe in it because I’ve seen/tested it) You have to work on your game, your belief system, and your overall values. I’ve been there before bro, it’s hard and its tough, but it does get better and you will get better, and you will realize that pheromones will AMPLIFY who you already are so you gain that edge over everyone else. Good luck ---
**Author:** ![boboa48](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boboa48/32/1846_2.png) [@boboa48](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/boboa48)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 1:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/8 "2010-05-19T01:50:43Z")
> [@Razorpowell](#): > > Well if it doesn’t work you can just get your money back. Great thing about AD. But if I can recommend a couple of combos- > ammox2 > ISx3 > > ammox1, tuthx1, ISx2, IHx2 > > Try those out, and watch carefully. Signs can be as simple as a girl looking at you multiple times. If they really don’t work for you I don’t know what to say, but I can say that i’m only a year older than you, and in the 3 months since using pheromones I have gotten more than in the past year. > > Do you get any self effects at all? I’ll try one of those combos tommarow… hell i might not be using enough ---
**Author:** ![boboa48](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boboa48/32/1846_2.png) [@boboa48](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/boboa48)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/9 "2010-05-19T01:56:31Z")
I was kind of expecting this stuff to be magic… ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 1:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/10 "2010-05-19T01:57:35Z")
> [@boboa48](#): > > I was kind of expecting this stuff to be magic… Nothing is Magic bro, even if you’re a millionare you can’t get anything and everything you want on demand all the time everytime. ---
**Author:** ![boboa48](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boboa48/32/1846_2.png) [@boboa48](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/boboa48)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/11 "2010-05-19T02:02:28Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Nothing is Magic bro, even if you’re a millionare you can’t get anything and everything you want on demand all the time everytime. and it just so happens I happen to have aspergers syndrome so basically i cant do this body language stuff… so im basically \*\*\*\* out of luck ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 2:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/12 "2010-05-19T02:03:33Z")
> [@boboa48](#): > > I was kind of expecting this stuff to be magic… That’s the biggest mistake made when buying “anything” perceived as something that will make you “better” at something. The fact your 15 and your looking for an easy outlet at such a adolescent phase of high school already leaves me wondering how adept you are at social interaction with the opposite sex. Products of many if not all varieties proclaimed to enhance attributes of whatever can be great tools but pheromones are certainly not a 0% effort 0% work if thats what you were hoping. ---
**Author:** ![boboa48](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boboa48/32/1846_2.png) [@boboa48](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/boboa48)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 2:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/13 "2010-05-19T02:15:56Z")
well at least I only spent 15$ on togos… ---
**Author:** ![boboa48](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boboa48/32/1846_2.png) [@boboa48](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/boboa48)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/14 "2010-05-19T02:20:02Z")
oh well it was worth a try, good night everyone im off to bed. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/15 "2010-05-19T02:24:36Z")
You’ve just started with these, have you tried each product one by one and gotten a feel for each one individually? At different doses, and in different situations? Also, if, for example, you put on some [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) but then sit in a corner with your hat pulled over your face, the Instant Openness will not work, and most likely nobody will talk to you. What pheromones do is help you, make things easier, and enhance what you already have. Kind of like when a certain outfit enhances the way you look, or a cologne enhances the way you smell. Pheromones help others see qualities in you that they m,ight not have otherwise noticed. Give it time, and be patient, it can be tricky to learn, but its worth it. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 3:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/16 "2010-05-19T03:09:47Z")
He has abergers, it’s gonna be trickier to learn than most realize. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/17 "2010-05-19T03:14:25Z")
Yeah, that’s tough, its an uphill battle already. Keep sticking with it though. Along the way you’ll hopefully improve your social skills. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/18 "2010-05-19T09:50:41Z")
> [@boboa48](#): > > and it just so happens I happen to have aspergers syndrome so basically i cant do this body language stuff… > > so im basically \*\*\*\* out of luck Your not out of luck. You will have to work harder then the rest of us in the socialization department and you will have to approach pheromones a little differently . They wont be magic. They cant cure you of aspergers syndrome but they can be a tool. There are other members here who have AS and claim mones help a little. Stay away from the highly masculine pheromones. Not just because your 15 but because they are not a benefit to your goal right now. Lean toward to more social and bonding mixes. If rapid speech or being overly talkative is one of your symptoms stay away from IO. If its not then it should be fine. Still test that one slowly and make sure it does not bring this out in you. I suggest your arsenal should consist of P74 IH and Ishine and thats it for now. Work with those 3. Now I understand part of aspergers syndrome is social dysfunction and a inability to read body language as well as other cognitive skills but I do not know where you fall on the scale of severity. This does not mean you can not benefit from learning about body language and other social tools. Since reading and using body language does not come natural to you then its even more important for you to study up on it. Do not let the symptoms associated with AS define you. I have nothing against doctors but they are not gods. I have seen many times when people have been diagnosed with something and been told life is going to be a certain way for them and they prove them wrong and you could do it to. Never stop trying to learn a new way of doing things. They have a lot of books on body language you can probably find at your local library. There are also free online resources. I suggest you start there and dont give up. It may take you longer and be harder but you can do it. You may not be able to use every skill learned but even if you can manage a few it helps. Edit to add… Never let anyone tell you you cant do something. Take that word out of your vocabulary now. You may not be able to do things the way everyone else does them but that does not mean you can not find a different way to do those same things that works for you. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![boboa48](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boboa48/32/1846_2.png) [@boboa48](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/boboa48)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 11:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/19 "2010-05-19T11:26:55Z")
Well with talking to girls its the fear of a normal person times 3 plus inability to read social skills and start conversation. tell me if you had all that wrong, how good you would do with women. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 11:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709/20 "2010-05-19T11:50:32Z")
Hey young Padawan, first thing is you need to lighten up on yourself! You are 15! No one expects you to have a mastery of body language or anything else. Give yourself a chance. Simply spend time each day talking to people. I’m no expert on asperger’s but I do know that you can use it as an excuse or you can work to overcome whatever limitations it places on you. Try taking a simple high school drama class. You’ll learn tons of info about body language and probably make some new friends at the same time. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-at-15-with-instant-shine-tuth-and-ammo-advice-on-what-to-use/38709.md?page=2)