# No results from TUTH and Ammo to-go bottles, alone or combined: dosing advice **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 28, 2012, 8:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366 "2012-01-28T08:34:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 3:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/21 "2012-02-07T03:43:52Z")
> [@Jamal](#): > > Hi Tisha, > something else i wanted to add, if testing mones in the place of work is unsuitable, Night clubs women are all drunk and many go there there to have a good time and get laid anyway, church a no go, school we go there to learn and not talk and pull women. The shopping mall we go there to shop. So where on earth do we test or do we use these pheromones then? Every where is a no go, that means it does not work in an ideal situation.I mean yeah Church of course no one in their right mind uses pheromones to go to church and womanise and may be get laid, then church becomes a fallacy.Now we need to test or use these on level headed sober women so definitely bars and night clubs are out of the question. Why then should the work place not be an ideal place, I mean we spend a good part of our lives at work, sometimes more than 8 hours a day and we interact with people, so why not. Another ideal place and time is when travelling.I have to undergo a plane trip trip next week, airport, poeple, airline stewardesses etc. > MY package has still not arrived I called DHL and told them to, come and deliver it at my workplace instead of the home. > Peace > Jamal Who said the work place was unsuitable ? There are many different pheromones that signal many different things. Some like TUTH which is more sexual and aggressive may not be suitable for certain workplaces and others like A314, IG Ishine …etc etc are perfect for the workplace. Bars and night clubs may have many drunk people but everyone doesn’t get drunk and there are other social events besides bars and clubs. Church may be a no go for sexual mones but other mixes work fine. Your assuming all formulas and all mones create the same signal and that signal is always sexual. Attraction is created on many levels not just sexual. If you know women then you must know that for us arousal has very little to do with our attraction to a person. Pheromones convey many different signals and are useful for many different situation if you use the right mix. In my post your referring to, I am talking about specific mixes and wearing those mixes in the proper environment. You wouldn’t wear a speedo to church nor would you wear TUTH or other sexual mones. Its just not as effective. When you go to a casual party your dress casual not formal. You do the same with your mones. In class you go for the more deeper introspective mones over the fun chatty mones. The point is just like congruency or not acting in opposition to the signal your sending is important, matching your mone signals to the environment makes them more productive as well. We do this naturally with our natural signatures through our emotions and pre programmed behaviors. This is why just adding mone mixtures or single molecules mones (putatives) to your colognes is not a good ideal unless you know what your doing. There are many different pheromones each signaling different things and they react different to each other when mixed. You need to understand what each putative does and how they steer each other when mixed just like when making perfume. I have no control over shipping and DHL. I dont work here I am a pheromone coach and expert. You will have to call DHL and make arrangements for delivery if your not available to receive the package at the address you provided when ordering. When they leave me notice I just pop down and pick it up. > [@Danni](#): > > I am sorry to hear about it. You should know the seller well,so the aftersale would be easier. Hello Danni, This site belongs to the seller and they interact with the clients all the time. There is no aftersales. AD products are not for resale. How about popping up so the intro section and doing a intro to the seller can get to know you 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![MusikAddikt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/musikaddikt/32/1576_2.png) [@MusikAddikt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MusikAddikt)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/22 "2012-02-07T23:16:33Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > It’s said that blood type O people already produce lots of androstenone. Is this true? > [@tisha23](#): > > Hi Jamal > > I am very outgoing and pull a lot of attention. You will see a difference and they will probably work even better to enhance your qualities then they do for someone who is introverted because you will be able to “work them” better. > > Pheromones are one form of communication all mammals use not just in pair bonding or attraction. We use it to communicate. Pheromones are why laughter and fear is contagious. How babies bond with there parents before they can see or hear clearly. Why when someone is down it can bring you down or someone is up it can make you feel better. Its part of the reason menstrual cycles synchronize in women. Its part of how we communicate information. Yes our personality plays a huge roll in attraction so does visual attraction. Pheromones are not designed to do the whole job. They enhance mood, communicate emotion and chemically say something about us. They are one part of the whole picture. To think that mones do not play a part in how we interact is the same as saying visual cues or verbal communication doesn’t play a part. Its all one part of a big picture. > > We work on personality to enhance how we come across to others and increase attraction. > > We work on how we look and the shape we are in to enhance visual attraction. > > Using pheromones to enhance is just like anything else we do to improve attraction. I agree with you its not magic in a bottle. Just as perfume enhances and attracts or make up enhances beauty if used right so do mones enhance chemical attraction. > > You mentioned you will use them “in your perfumes” make sure you buy raw mones then. You layer most products, you dont add them to perfumes or colognes unless you know what your doing. If you have questions be sure to ask before hand. > > Tisha Wow well said Tisha. You always have the best explanations 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Jamal](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamal/32/5193_2.png) [@Jamal](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jamal)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/23 "2012-02-08T02:35:00Z")
In my post your referring to, I am talking about specific mixes and wearing those mixes in the proper environment. You wouldn’t wear a speedo to church nor would you wear TUTH or other sexual mones. Its just not as effective. When you go to a casual party your dress casual not formal. You do the same with your mones. In class you go for the more deeper introspective mones over the fun chatty mones. The point is just like congruency or not acting in opposition to the signal your sending is important, matching your mone signals to the environment makes them more productive as well. We do this naturally with our natural signatures through our emotions and pre programmed behaviors. This is why just adding mone mixtures or single molecules mones (putatives) to your colognes is not a good ideal unless you know what your doing. There are many different pheromones each signaling different things and they react different to each other when mixed. You need to understand what each putative does and how they steer each other when mixed just like when making perfume. Hello Danni, This site belongs to the seller and they interact with the clients all the time. There is no aftersales. AD products are not for resale. How about popping up so the intro section and doing a intro to the seller can get to know you 😉 Tisha > [@tisha23](#): > > Who said the work place was unsuitable ? There are many different pheromones that signal many different things. Some like TUTH which is more sexual and aggressive may not be suitable for certain workplaces and others like A314, IG Ishine …etc etc are perfect for the workplace. > > Bars and night clubs may have many drunk people but everyone doesn’t get drunk and there are other social events besides bars and clubs. I was actually quoting what you said in the link you sent me to read > [@tisha23](#): > > _Why didn’t my Turn Up The Heat or Copulin mix work in church ?_ Because people have self control. They are not going to hit on you sexually in church with the old ladies and priest looking on no matter how hot you look. > > _WHY doesnt my Instant Openness work in school ???_ > Because talking in class is not smiled upon > > _I used my copulin or Androstenone mix at work with no response_ > Work is not the place to be arousing people. There are sexual harassment laws at least here in the USA. People are careful including women of how they act at work or who they become involved with. They will mask there feelings strongly in this environment. Granted my work is a bit different but it was that way before any of us used pheromones. > > I _wore Instant Shine to a funeral and no one seemed to feel better._ > WTF do you expect, LOL > > Church may be a no go for sexual mones but other mixes work fine. > Tisha > [@tisha23](#): > > Your assuming all formulas and all mones create the same signal and that signal is always sexual. Attraction is created on many levels not just sexual. If you know women then you must know that for us arousal has very little to do with our attraction to a person. Pheromones convey many different signals and are useful for many different situation if you use the right mix. I think you read me wrong actually I have been reading quite abit about mones and have tried them on before but do not seem to beleive they work wther sexually or not and alos one of the guys who was sharing his experience mentioned he wore his sexual mones to church i wwas refuting that backed up by you claims. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 3:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/24 "2012-02-08T03:41:33Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s said that blood type O people already produce lots of [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) . > [@](#): > > Is this true? Its something that was considered and tested but results were inconclusive. While it may be related in a tiny way there are other factors that are more related then blood type, genetics, hormone levels, health, diet, body structure, bacteria levels that control how much androgens you make. So you can still be a blood type O and be low anone. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![romancetoday](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6a8cbe/32.png) [@romancetoday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/romancetoday)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 6:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/25 "2012-08-15T06:43:59Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > I have not had so much success with Ammo and TUTH either. These androstenone based products are great for some people and not so much for others. > > It’s said that blood type O people already produce lots of androstenone. > > There are other products that work great for me, A314, IH, IO. Give some of the other pheromones a chance. Really? I’m blood type O… I’m O positive ---
**Author:** ![zengar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/50afbb/32.png) [@zengar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zengar)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 2:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/26 "2012-08-15T14:35:01Z")
You said you are dissappointed because you think you got no results from them, like many people have said pheromones only enhance. However are you familiar with IOI’s (Indicators of interest)? Perhaps there was interest you just werent aware. When I first used mones I had the same feeling until I read about IoI’s (sticky on the first page) and realized I had some IoI’s from a few girls but I didn’t act upon it, and I regret it, knowing IoI’s really helps because you can then not be afraid to make a move. Also, if you are shy like me then perhaps [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) is what you want to be looking for, it’ll really help the initial conversation. Like some others have also said when you were mones don’t just be focused on the results, just be yourself and things will surely see results naturally (of course it still means you have to initiate). Best luck to you, I know these products work! ---
**Author:** ![simple\_franky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@simple\_franky](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/simple_franky)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 6:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/27 "2012-08-15T18:13:35Z")
> [@APSAM](#): > > I am very disappointed with TUTH and AMMO. I had ordered to-go bottles. I was very skeptical when I was placing my order whether these would work or not. I got absolutely no results when using the products. I used them in a combo, used them individually but absolutely no result. It was such a letdown especially after reading comments people had posted about these two products on the smartmones store. ☹ These products used to work really well , but for the last few years something has changed. I miss those days . I would love to be a customer again , but just have not had the results or the lovely smells and products available in 2009. I check in here every so often hoping. ---
**Author:** ![romancetoday](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6a8cbe/32.png) [@romancetoday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/romancetoday)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2012, 2:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/28 "2012-08-16T02:11:00Z")
> [@simple\_franky](#): > > These products used to work really well , but for the last few years something has changed. I miss those days . I would love to be a customer again , but just have not had the results or the lovely smells and products available in 2009. I check in here every so often hoping. That’s very bad news. Products that worked very well but have been modified to be far less effective is very unwise move. Products should improve with time, not the other way round. Everyone wants quality! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2012, 6:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/29 "2012-08-16T06:00:06Z")
The only products that changed were the womens products and IJ (which had copulins) They took copulins out because they stopped sell copulins here. The mens products are the same formula as they used to be basically unless they offer something new like [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and they told people of the difference. People tend to forget your natural pheromone output and your hormones change with age. Its common to have to retest dosages and sometimes old favoites dont work as well as they used to but suddenly ones that were not your favorites start hitting for you hard. Perhaps its not the formula that changed its you. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![romancetoday](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6a8cbe/32.png) [@romancetoday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/romancetoday)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2012, 7:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/30 "2012-08-16T07:04:35Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > The only products that changed were the womens products and IJ (which had copulins) They took copulins out because they stopped sell copulins here. The mens products are the same formula as they used to be basically unless they offer something new like Summer Ammo and they told people of the difference. > > People tend to forget your natural pheromone output and your hormones change with age. Its common to have to retest dosages and sometimes old favoites dont work as well as they used to but suddenly ones that were not your favorites start hitting for you hard. > > Perhaps its not the formula that changed its you. > > Tisha yes…I don’t think AD would modified any product which work fine unless banned by law… It actually surprised me why someone said that…perhaps like what you explained… ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2012, 7:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/31 "2012-08-16T07:22:31Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Think of mones like a tool. Metaphorically a hammer. > > If you buy a hammer it wont build the house for you. You have to swing the thing. > > If you buy a hammer to drive in screws its not going to work effectively. > > In my opinion you bought a hammer to drive in screws. Don’t be upset with the hammer be upset you made the incorrect chose for the the job. Quite possibly the best supportive advice I have read so far on this forum, and I agree 100%. ---
**Author:** ![romancetoday](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6a8cbe/32.png) [@romancetoday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/romancetoday)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2012, 7:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/32 "2012-08-16T07:32:30Z")
> [@russmatthess](#): > > Quite possibly the best supportive advice I have read so far on this forum, and I agree 100%. Yes but there is a testimony that pheromone is more than an enhancer/tool Look at.. > [@P75 makes you a very sexy man](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-makes-you-a-very-sexy-man/56288): > > P75 is a beast! It makes you a very sexy man. here is a collection/mix of reports I have of wearing [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) (always at 2.5mcgs) Report 1/mix been using p75 at 2.5mcgs. Wow! I get checked out a lot while wearing this. It seems like women literally follow me with on. I was at the mall the other day and a girl who looked to be 20-24 was walking with her mother and her son in a stroller. I looked into her eyes and she turns to her mom and says “wow it was like he looked through me, that was pretty we… ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2012, 1:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/33 "2012-08-16T13:15:39Z")
> [@romancetoday](#): > > Yes but there is a testimony that pheromone is more than an enhancer/tool > Look at.. > > [P75 makes you a very sexy man](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-makes-you-a-very-sexy-man/56288) Where did he say it did more then enhance ? Clint is young. He is out there working his game and his signature. He seems fairly confident. Pheromones wont make you look like an Olympian so obviously from the comment he got he is in pretty good shape and fairly good looking. I have never seen or met Clint but my feeling is he has some sexy going for him already and P75 enhanced it. Pheromones are not going to change what you got. They are going to enhance what you got. They are only one part of attraction. Don’t wait for your mones to start working, learn to work with your mones like Clint is doing because there is no magic in the bottle. The magic comes from you. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/34 "2012-08-16T13:25:45Z")
> [@Jamal](#): > > Now reading what you sent me and also having read from many websites about how men pulled women here and pulled women there.i kind of understood why I beleive all this is BS and that these things don’t work. He sounds like a plant, nothing is going to convince him and nothing will work for him no matter what he buys because he will not want to see it much less admit it. Clearly there are a substantial number of journals where men have used mones in social setting where no alcohol was involved and experienced actions and attitudes where before there were no results. So essentially Jamal sounds as if he is accusing every tester and mone enthusiast of being a liar. You wouldn’t do that Jamal would you? ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/35 "2012-08-16T18:24:39Z")
Read through it and had a similar discussion with a few members on another post where I said there was some mones creating attraction where there was none and some members flat out disagreed saying that mones only enhance what you have. It cannot create something out of nothing. The reports on P75 also seem too hit or miss with me right now. I am just learning and don’t want to go mixing X with Y when I am not so certain the result will be Z if you get my drift. Starting with the basics this coming week A314, IS, IO, and Ammo and see how my tests on each individually will work out. Maybe later when I understand it more I will get all mad scientist but for now keeping it simple. ---
**Author:** ![simple\_franky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@simple\_franky](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/simple_franky)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2012, 8:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/36 "2012-08-18T08:53:57Z")
Nope, it changed when FM was discontinued. Ammo went the same way after the scent was changed and we found TUH lost much of it,s oomph when the scent was changed. I agree age changes the game ,but the coincidence would be stunning.I used to order lots through here ,customer service is excellent ect . Shine is still good.Besides I still have little bits of the old formulas and they still work better than the new stuff , that would kind of negate the age theory. > [@tisha23](#): > > The only products that changed were the womens products and IJ (which had copulins) They took copulins out because they stopped sell copulins here. The mens products are the same formula as they used to be basically unless they offer something new like Summer Ammo and they told people of the difference. > > People tend to forget your natural pheromone output and your hormones change with age. Its common to have to retest dosages and sometimes old favoites dont work as well as they used to but suddenly ones that were not your favorites start hitting for you hard. > > Perhaps its not the formula that changed its you. > > Tisha ---
**Author:** ![romancetoday](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6a8cbe/32.png) [@romancetoday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/romancetoday)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2012, 8:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/37 "2012-08-19T08:35:28Z")
> [@simple\_franky](#): > > Nope, it changed when FM was discontinued. Ammo went the same way after the scent was changed and we found TUH lost much of it,s oomph when the scent was changed. I agree age changes the game ,but the coincidence would be stunning.I used to order lots through here ,customer service is excellent ect . Shine is still good.Besides I still have little bits of the old formulas and they still work better than the new stuff , that would kind of negate the age theory. Then too bad for me. I know pheromones and AD too late. ---
**Author:** ![romancetoday](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6a8cbe/32.png) [@romancetoday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/romancetoday)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2012, 9:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/38 "2012-08-19T09:04:26Z")
> [@simple\_franky](#): > > Nope, it changed when FM was discontinued. Ammo went the same way after the scent was changed and we found TUH lost much of it,s oomph when the scent was changed. I agree age changes the game ,but the coincidence would be stunning.I used to order lots through here ,customer service is excellent ect . Shine is still good.Besides I still have little bits of the old formulas and they still work better than the new stuff , that would kind of negate the age theory. Anyway, AD should have a say here because this is really an issue. What other products do you feel still work well? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2012, 10:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/39 "2012-08-19T10:10:50Z")
> [@simple\_franky](#): > > Nope, it changed when FM was discontinued. Ammo went the same way after the scent was changed and we found TUH lost much of it,s oomph when the scent was changed. I agree age changes the game ,but the coincidence would be stunning.I used to order lots through here ,customer service is excellent ect . Shine is still good.Besides I still have little bits of the old formulas and they still work better than the new stuff , that would kind of negate the age theory. I do pretty much know the formulas then and now. IFM was discontinued at the same time as the copulins were but its unrelated. IFM had to do with two issues, the patent and the risk of depression in men. TUTH is exactly as its always been. The scent never changed. Only Ammo had a scent change when they stopped allowing oak moss to be used in consumer products. Pheromone signature changing with age is not a theory its one of the most basic known facts about our hormones and pheromones. > [@](#): > > Anyway, AD should have a say here because this is really an issue. > > What other products do you feel still work well? All the changes have been posted in the forum again and again. Its not hidden and its not an issue. AD still sells the most effective quality pheromones in the business. Of course there will be others from different forums and companies who have been influenced by people with agendas and thats sad because it shouldn’t be that way. All of the consumer products you see talked about are the same formulas. Scent change is not a formula change. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![romancetoday](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6a8cbe/32.png) [@romancetoday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/romancetoday)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2012, 10:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366/40 "2012-08-19T22:57:15Z")
\>All the changes have been posted in the forum again and again. Its not hidden and its \>not an issue. AD still sells the most effective quality pheromones in the business. Of \>course there will be others from different forums and companies who have been \>influenced by people with agendas and thats sad because it shouldn’t be that way. But the findings came from someone whose join date was 4 years ago and not new member in this forum. Usually if someone was from another company/forum, his join date would be recent. \>All of the consumer products you see talked about are the same formulas. Scent \>change is not a formula change. Yes this is how I think too. Scent changed doesn’t mean formula changed, hence the effectiveness is not effected. However, simple\_franky findings is based on his real life experience comparing old and new version of products. One way to find out is if there are many users (new and old users) who bought the new version of products and report their effectiveness… [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-results-from-tuth-and-ammo-to-go-bottles-alone-or-combined-dosing-advice/54366.md?page=3)