# No success after a month of IO, IG, TUTH and Instant Shine: how to use them? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 19, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406 "2009-10-19T01:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Phil\_T.Rich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a8b319/32.png) [@Phil\_T.Rich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phil_T.Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/1 "2009-10-19T01:53:57Z")
Ok I’ve had my bag of mones for about a month now. I have 1. Instant openess to go 2. Instant gentleman to go 3. Turn up the heat to go 4. 2x instant shine to go ---
**Author:** ![Alfa1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Alfa1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Alfa1)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/2 "2009-10-19T01:58:25Z")
> [@Phil\_T.Rich](#): > > Ok I’ve had my bag of mones for about a month now. I have > > 1. Instant openess to go > 2. Instant gentleman to go > 3. Turn up the heat to go > 4. 2x instant shine to go > > I’ve haven’t had any sucess with these products.I tried calling the 1800 number for smart mones and they never called me back. And no its not me, I can easily pull girls I just want to pull better looking females. So PLEASE can anyone on here do what adrotics direct didn’t, and give me advice on how to use these products effectively Hi Phil, How have you been using them? Any combo’s going on with them? What situations etc. ---
**Author:** ![Zansteps](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zansteps/32/2407_2.png) [@Zansteps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zansteps)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/3 "2009-10-19T02:02:05Z")
Oh snap… looks like someone didn’t do their research! ---
**Author:** ![Phil\_T.Rich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a8b319/32.png) [@Phil\_T.Rich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phil_T.Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/4 "2009-10-19T02:06:54Z")
> [@Alfa1](#): > > Hi Phil, > > How have you been using them? Any combo’s going on with them? What situations etc. Hey alfa at first I was going to find my sweet spot but I decided aganist it. My usual mix is one spray of IS to each side of my neck, one spray of IG to each wrist, and a spray of tuth to my chest. I only wear mones at school because in two out of three classes I sit in between two girls. So far I have gotten two different numbers from two different girls in my class but I do not know if it was me or the mones ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/5 "2009-10-19T02:16:07Z")
> [@Phil\_T.Rich](#): > > Hey alfa at first I was going to find my sweet spot but I decided aganist it. My usual mix is one spray of IS to each side of my neck, one spray of IG to each wrist, and a spray of tuth to my chest. I only wear mones at school because in two out of three classes I sit in between two girls. So far I have gotten two different numbers from two different girls in my class but I do not know if it was me or the mones Sorry that you haven’t gotten the results you were looking for. I know that they must have had a good reason if they didn’t call you back. Steve is usually very good at getting back to people. Just my 2 cents on what/where to wear to help you see some results. Try this tomorrow. 3 sprays IG (one to each side of neck closer to the front and 1 spray split between the tops of your hands- this will have you standing straighter and people seeing you as someone important- women your age love this stuff) 2 sprays IS (left and right side of neck under ears- you’ll be grinning from ear to ear) 2 sprays IO (the hair on either side of your head above the ears- feel free to up that to 4 sprays if you don’t mind everyone around you having verbal diarrhea) Leave the TUTH for the next time you have a girl who is ready, willing and able in the bedroom. Give this a try. I think you’ll get some results. Good luck and let us know how it goes! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Alfa1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Alfa1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Alfa1)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/6 "2009-10-19T02:32:59Z")
Hey, I’d go back to the beginning and find your sweet spot. I play with manly socials (not majorly sexual’s at the moment) so I don’t really have a need to find a sweet spot as I can’t OD on them persay. The thing is, if you are high in one mone that is say the opposite to a natural mone that you produce you will never actual no if you are using enough. eg… if you are very high in none, being young there is a good chance you are. Then you will OD on none easily. On the other hand it will take a bit more of the social mixs to buffer your already high none levels. Do you follow? Start again and work out what your own signature is and then you can modify it. ---
**Author:** ![Zansteps](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zansteps/32/2407_2.png) [@Zansteps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zansteps)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 2:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/7 "2009-10-19T02:53:18Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > 3 sprays IG (one to each side of neck closer to the front and 1 spray split between the tops of your hands- this will have you standing straighter and people seeing you as someone important- women your age love this stuff) > 2 sprays IS (left and right side of neck under ears- you’ll be grinning from ear to ear) > 2 sprays IO (the hair on either side of your head above the ears- feel free to up that to 4 sprays if you don’t mind everyone around you having verbal diarrhea) Snoopy, I think I’m going to try that mix in those areas (Minus the IS, since I’ve got none). Sounds better tha what I was doing (2 IG to the back of the neck and 2 IO to the wrists.) ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 12:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/8 "2009-10-19T12:19:37Z")
You have to try calling during business hours, and they are in Beverly Hills, so pacific time is best. In regards to what to wear during school hours- stay away from TUTH, keep that for clubs, bars, or when you are on the prowl. If you read the “Stunning mix” thread I had two same night lays this weekend with TUTH. However if you use it at school it’s like walking up to a girl in the classroom and saying “Yo girl, when you gonna let me tap that???” IO, IG and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) are your best bets for keeping a good vibe at school. So stay observant and use it with people who you know their normal behavior. If they talks more, if your buddies or teachers are nicer, if you feel happy or others smile a lot…GOOD!!! It’s working 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![hohohate](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hohohate/32/2429_2.png) [@hohohate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hohohate)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 1:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/9 "2009-10-19T13:50:17Z")
How can you NOT like IG and IS? ---
**Author:** ![progress212](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/progress212/32/1911_2.png) [@progress212](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/progress212)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 2:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/10 "2009-10-19T14:13:10Z")
hey guys quick question…im a young looking 24 years old and i have a314,Instant shine,instant openess, instant jerk and TUTH. Now i want a mix that will help initiate conversation..what do u guys suggest? ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 2:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/11 "2009-10-19T14:21:26Z")
> [@progress212](#): > > hey guys quick question…im a young looking 24 years old and i have a314,Instant shine,instant openess, instant jerk and TUTH. Now i want a mix that will help initiate conversation..what do u guys suggest? 🙂 IO + IO + IO…don’t start out mixing especially if a product is already designed to do exactly what you want it to do. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 2:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/12 "2009-10-19T14:22:17Z")
> [@progress212](#): > > hey guys quick question…im a young looking 24 years old and i have a314,Instant shine,instant openess, instant jerk and TUTH. Now i want a mix that will help initiate conversation..what do u guys suggest? What type of environment are you going to be in? For general conversations, getting people to open up to you I’d suggest Instant Shine and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) (lots of Instant Openness 🙂). I love IO because along with IS it also has an attractive quality to it that is more daytime appropriate. If you are referring to a bar or club setting go with one spray of IJ or TUTH to the throat, a spray of IS to either side of the neck and 4 sprays of IO. One spray to either side of the head above the ears and one spray to the top of each hand. Edit- Since you have A314 you may want to throw in a drop or two of that to the throat as it will help everyone (no matter what situation) to see you as more of a VIP. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/13 "2009-10-19T18:14:00Z")
Hi there Phil. Well I must say that I am perplexed by your claim that no one is returning your calls. Now of course I could be missing it somehow (perhaps you called from another number) but I just had a look at the call logs and your phone number does not appear anywhere??? I want to ensure you get the help we offer to everyone and at the same time see how its possible you didn’t get a call back when you said you left a message. See it’s I that calls everyone back and takes the messages and all calls are recorded by number date time and actual recording of the call itself. So please help me figure out this most perplexing issue so that I can look into it right away. In fact I will give you a call 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/14 "2009-10-19T18:19:34Z")
I just left you a message on your phone 🙂. I also was able to go through every voice mail I received over the weekend and there are no messages from you. I really would like to get to the bottom of this if you are going to be posting that Androtics wouldn’t help you, I’d like to know all the details 😉 ---
**Author:** ![progress212](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/progress212/32/1911_2.png) [@progress212](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/progress212)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/15 "2009-10-19T18:25:31Z")
hey steve..i know this is off subject but i thought maybe i can catch u here…i pm’ed u my email adress that i used to order a314…and i havent gotten a response..its regarding the password for the a314 forum.. ill send u my email addres again ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/16 "2009-10-19T20:17:08Z")
> [@Phil\_T.Rich](#): > > Ok I’ve had my bag of mones for about a month now. I have > > 1. Instant openess to go > 2. Instant gentleman to go > 3. Turn up the heat to go > 4. 2x instant shine to go > > I’ve haven’t had any sucess with these products.I tried calling the 1800 number for smart mones and they never called me back. And no its not me, I can easily pull girls I just want to pull better looking females. So PLEASE can anyone on here do what adrotics direct didn’t, and give me advice on how to use these products effectively Hey there Phil, I am sure Steve will give you a call if he already hasnt taken care of it. Just a few tips though. Your 20 so I am assuming your targets are in the range of 18 to 22. Skip the TUTH at school. Its for sexually charged environments not for normal social environments. In fact it can seem rather creepy if your giving off a horn dog vibe in the middle of a lecture. Now if you do decide to use it IG is not going to temper it enough for that enviroment. You want to start with a 3 to 1 ratio 1 spray of tuth and 3 of a social like Ishine or IO. Keep in mind you dont need a lot of tuth but you should test for your sweet spot. Now you may find you need to temper it a little more then that but its a good place to start. This way the social mone attracts them in and makes them feel all warm and comfy and then your sexual mone TUTH sneaks under the radar and reals them in Also keep in mind that mones attract but they wont just do there thing on more attractive females. Look for hits everywhere and once you have that part established then narrow in on the hotties. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![joliebb09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@joliebb09](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/joliebb09)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 3:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/17 "2009-11-02T03:01:39Z")
hey, I will suggest the answer to your problem is A314. A314 has that huge Alpha vibe, that impression u are from very high social rank, that u are too important… …Well, the thing is, what u call average looking girls will be too scared and uncomfortable to approach. They will perceive a signal saying " that guy is too highly ranked for me. Why waste my time on him since he would easily leave for a more sophisticated girl. " while … …The one u call better looking girls know they belong to higher leagues since they get hits from people of high social rank. This make them cocky and confident enough to approach u. A314 acts a little like a social sieve I hope u got what I am trying to say … …By the way, I would just like to mention to all of yall female reading this that I believe (without being an hypocrite to renny) that all women are pretty. you know people are different and have very different perceptions… so a woman’s statue of being HOT or NOT depends solely on the person who is looking at her. Without being hypocrite, some terms used above were only used for better explanation. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/18 "2009-11-02T15:41:11Z")
Phil, do I read this right? You didn’t take the time to learn what doses work for you, and you aren’t getting the results you want, and you didn’t do any research here to learn anything? How do you expect to know what works if you don’t calibrate for your natural phero signature, man? That’s why you have to find your sweet spot. ---
**Author:** ![Phil\_T.Rich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a8b319/32.png) [@Phil\_T.Rich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phil_T.Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/19 "2009-11-02T15:49:15Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Phil, do I read this right? You didn’t take the time to learn what doses work for you, and you aren’t getting the results you want, and you didn’t do any research here to learn anything? > > How do you expect to know what works if you don’t calibrate for your natural phero signature, man? That’s why you have to find your sweet spot. Whoaaaaa guys. Just to clarfiy this is/was a very old thread I made and thanks to steve,snoopy and the rest of you guys I have solved this dilema. Matter of fact I’m having the exact results I wanted. In fact I’m posting this reply from the back seat of my car while girl A from my english class is giving my dick a pep talk 😉 so thanks again to every one Salute. ---
**Author:** ![joliebb09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@joliebb09](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/joliebb09)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 4:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/no-success-after-a-month-of-io-ig-tuth-and-instant-shine-how-to-use-them/33406/20 "2009-11-02T16:01:04Z")
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