# Non-Androtics Products no Good . ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 26, 2011, 12:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908 "2011-01-26T00:36:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![lamentofking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@lamentofking](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lamentofking)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 4:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/21 "2011-01-26T04:24:44Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > It could just be that maybe I’m being cynical here, and maybe I am, but haven’t you already mentioned the same thing in other threads? Allow me to link them here: > [Hey everyone . ! What's Up . ?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-everyone-whats-up/44871) > [Max Attraction Gold vs Attract-Rx . ? Or is it another Pheromone product . ?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/max-attraction-gold-vs-attract-rx-or-is-it-another-pheromone-product/44878) > and now this one. That kind of says SPAM to me, since already the community has given you their opinion and while you may want it to, it’s not going to change. We all have used other products, some good, most crap. So why are you continuing to ask over and over? Again I could just be misreading you, especially after such a busy day and a night of escapades other than sleep, but seriously it seems very SPAMish to me. Doesn’t smell right! Wait . I’m sorry if it looks like spam but I made these threads with the intention of different questions . If anything is repeated it is because I did not see the responses . I am sorry Steve . I’m just trying to get this pheromone thing down so that I know what to buy . ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 4:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/22 "2011-01-26T04:38:16Z")
> [@lamentofking](#): > > Wait . I’m sorry if it looks like spam but I made these threads with the intention of different questions . If anything is repeated it is because I did not see the responses . I am sorry Steve . I’m just trying to get this pheromone thing down so that I know what to buy . Then go introduce yourself in the introduction forum and get a gift card and try a few togos. I’d suggest something like ammo and IO to get started. You’ll have an attraction product in ammo, and a product that will help you open people in IO. Then test them out and come back and let us know what you experienced. ---
**Author:** ![lamentofking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@lamentofking](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lamentofking)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 4:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/23 "2011-01-26T04:59:16Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > Then go introduce yourself in the introduction forum and get a gift card and try a few togos. I’d suggest something like ammo and IO to get started. You’ll have an attraction product in ammo, and a product that will help you open people in IO. Then test them out and come back and let us know what you experienced. I already got the gift card . And sorry for the double post guys . I didn’t see the moderator message the first time . I was actually looking at togo bottles once someone recommended them . Looks worth trying . ---
**Author:** ![ggssti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8e7dd6/32.png) [@ggssti](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ggssti)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 5:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/24 "2011-01-26T05:04:55Z")
> [@lamentofking](#): > > I already got the gift card . And sorry for the double post guys . I didn’t see the moderator message the first time . I was actually looking at togo bottles once someone recommended them . Looks worth trying . I would suggest ammo and IO if you aren’t afraid to approach women. IH sometimes gets them to approach you. ---
**Author:** ![Joe10](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joe10/32/300_2.png) [@Joe10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Joe10)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 8:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/25 "2011-01-26T08:39:28Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > I got real lucky and came across AD and its forum during my first ever pheromone google search. > I have since tried a few other companies products but only based upon solid recommendations from respected users here on this forum. > > Sure there is some bias towards AD products, that has been answered and explained. But I can tell you from my limited experience in only being involved in this hobby for less than a year, that I have not had a single bad experience with this company. > > I not only love this company and its community because of its products, but because of their amazingly responsible behavior especially in a market so full of scams and scammers…as well as their stated goals as a company. They are not just here to get people laid and make money, those are just the perks. Their purpose, their mission goal is to make the world a better place through pheromone research, that I can get behind. > > I learn so much from this company and its community. Not just about pheros, but about compassion and ethics. I intend to model my business after this amazing company, and expect to see them honored at some point as one of those companies that goes above and beyond for both employees and customers, something along the lines of a Zappos. +10000000 The world would have been a better place if other companies offer just one tenth of what AD offers. And no, I’m not talking about pheromones TG I nominated your post. I know it wont win anything but that is how strongly i feel that it is one of the best posts that is so true in many bases. God bless you all Joe ---
**Author:** ![lamentofking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@lamentofking](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lamentofking)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/26 "2011-01-26T14:33:43Z")
> [@ggssti](#): > > I would suggest ammo and IO if you aren’t afraid to approach women. IH sometimes gets them to approach you. Hmm…Well that narrows it gg . I really like ammo so its either ammo/IH or ammo/IO .. I could even forgo ammo and do IO/IH . ! The effects of all 3 idk. Would that be… an attractive guy that I’d like to talk to or I wanna go talk to . ? ---
**Author:** ![BiffyFighters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/34f0e0/32.png) [@BiffyFighters](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BiffyFighters)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 9:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/27 "2011-01-26T21:31:01Z")
I don’t use anyone other than AD or LS now, or if i do it’s usually a well known company approved by AD/LS. I wish i came across these two sites first rather than going through endless dud products, but you live and learn eh? Tbh i’ve only ever had one non-AD/LS product that worked and that was pherazone. But to be truthful, the results weren’t as strong as AMMO not to mention how expensive/little you get. And of course the support/gc/discounts/reviews/points towards next purchase you get…the list goes on really. Oh and the help from wonderful people such as yourself 😉 \<3 ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 10:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/28 "2011-01-26T22:07:42Z")
> [@Joe10](#): > > +10000000 > > The world would have been a better place if other companies offer just one tenth of what AD offers. And no, I’m not talking about pheromones > > TG I nominated your post. I know it wont win anything but that is how strongly i feel that it is one of the best posts that is so true in many bases. > > God bless you all > > Joe Thanks Joe, hope all is well with you. I really do appreciate the kind words and recognition. ---
**Author:** ![Climax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@Climax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Climax)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 4:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/29 "2011-01-27T04:18:25Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > It’s not that non AD products aren’t good, AD has no problems to my knowledge with love scents product. AD is just aware and leery of companies that use unscrupulous marketing hype and/or substandard ingredients in their mixes. As for cheaper vs inferior…I’m gonna say yeah, at least when it comes to pheromone products. The purity of the ingredients has a tremendous effect on how well and how consistently a product works. I could accept a cheap and still tremendously effective product if it were being made by a billion dollar corporation that could afford to produce in such high volume that they can make a cheaper product that still has quality. But mones as a consumer product is too fringe for most companies to take seriously enough to invest in doing that. > > **AD products are specialized for various needs and dosed so you can mix and match as needed**. The stuff comes with a money back guarantee and AD still has rolling blackout on molecules and products due to demand being high. So that tells me they’re probably pretty Damn good. Basically this, I am very new here but I am quickly appreciating this fact about them already. If like me you googled for pheromone forums and got sent here without even knowing the forum belonged to a company, I was caught off guard expecting way more products to be mentioned from many different brands and I was unaware of anything AD except for A314 prior. ---
**Author:** ![ggssti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8e7dd6/32.png) [@ggssti](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ggssti)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 5:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/30 "2011-01-27T05:41:02Z")
> [@lamentofking](#): > > Hmm…Well that narrows it gg . I really like ammo so its either ammo/IH or ammo/IO .. I could even forgo ammo and do IO/IH . ! The effects of all 3 idk. Would that be… an attractive guy that I’d like to talk to or I wanna go talk to . ? Women by nature expect to be approached but when you do approach them they will be more than willing to talk. ---
**Author:** ![ppHamelin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pphamelin/32/758_2.png) [@ppHamelin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ppHamelin)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 8:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/31 "2011-01-27T08:23:07Z")
Hmm it’s working well for you? I might give it a try then - I know what you’re talking about but they only disclose half of the mix (heavy none and 1-2 unknown molecules) which causes me to hesitate for a bit. For sure I don’t want to use it if it’s not safe… Now that you’re using it, if you could make a guess, what do you think the other 1 or 2 molecules there? My guess is either rone, cops or a1 or could it be something else??? Plus the manufacturer’s country of origin makes me a bit leery. > [@CoolKat](#): > > There are a few products that I use from another company that work really well. This particular one is SIMILAR to ammo but a bit more sexy/sexual. I think some guys like Gegogi might know what I am talking about. I can’t list what it is. Google is your best friend… ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 8:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/32 "2011-01-27T08:52:44Z")
> [@ppHamelin](#): > > Hmm it’s working well for you? I might give it a try then - I know what you’re talking about but they only disclose half of the mix (heavy none and 1-2 unknown molecules) which causes me to hesitate for a bit. For sure I don’t want to use it if it’s not safe… Now that you’re using it, if you could make a guess, what do you think the other 1 or 2 molecules there? My guess is either rone, cops or a1 or could it be something else??? > Plus the manufacturer’s country of origin makes me a bit leery. Nope… it is not the Edge 😉 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2011, 9:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/33 "2011-01-28T09:49:07Z")
The full reason why certain companies can’t be discussed here in AD can be a myriad of reasons. Since its their forum, you should respect their wishes that certain blacklisted companies not be mentioned here. Some of those companies are probably scams and some can be good but there is google and you can do your research there. For the most part, AD caters to feel good and comfort pheromones. Nothing too overtly sexual and nothing too overbearing like high Androstenone mixes, which leads people to look for other products with better results in that department. Like everyone else here says, be weary and just do your research before you purchase. I’ve researched not just here but also other places and I can tell you for day to day wear, AD’s products are more than sufficient. ---
**Author:** ![lamentofking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@lamentofking](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lamentofking)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2011, 2:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/34 "2011-01-28T14:04:57Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > The full reason why certain companies can’t be discussed here in AD can be a myriad of reasons. > > Since its their forum, you should respect their wishes that certain blacklisted companies not be mentioned here. > > Some of those companies are probably scams and some can be good but there is google and you can do your research there. For the most part, AD caters to feel good and comfort pheromones. Nothing too overtly sexual and nothing too overbearing like high Androstenone mixes, which leads people to look for other products with better results in that department. > > Like everyone else here says, be weary and just do your research before you purchase. I’ve researched not just here but also other places and I can tell you for day to day wear, AD’s products are more than sufficient. Speaking of which, there are several AD products that are low in androstenone but carry other mones that tend not to be as strong as none . Does that mean we would typically need more sprays (3-4) of them for them to work vs maybe 1-2 sprays of none based products . ? ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2011, 2:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/35 "2011-01-28T14:45:44Z")
Not really, None is strong but it’s like a shotgun, it can be quite imprecise. I call none the passion and warfare mone. How it’s received it too variable depending on your appearance/demeanor, the context of the situation, and the person effected (age, gender, race, cultural upbringing etc.) It can communicate youth, health, fitness, and sexuality…but it can also communicate anger, aggression, hostility and receive it in kind. The lower levels on None in the products used it to provide enough to spark attraction, but not aggression, and it’s usually paired with other molecules designed to guide it in the desired direction. IE 10 mcg of None alone…could go either way. On the flip side 2 mcg of none paired with a product that may not be as powerful but is only sexual and not aggressive helps to guide the none in the same direction. ---
**Author:** ![lamentofking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@lamentofking](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lamentofking)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908/36 "2011-01-29T00:56:17Z")
Well thanks for that Radman . Ya know, I never noticed how powerful the sense of smell was . I passed a couple girls today in school and I got a wiff of whatever they had on (prob vicky secret) and I just lost control for a split sec . I guess it was just attraction but they smelled soooo good . ! lol . [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-androtics-products-no-good/44908.md?page=1)