# Noob looking for some tips **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 25, 2008, 5:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/noob-looking-for-some-tips/20252 "2008-09-25T05:47:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Beaverlord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Beaverlord](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Beaverlord)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 5:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/noob-looking-for-some-tips/20252/1 "2008-09-25T05:47:18Z")
Hey guys, this might be a decently long post, so bear with me. This is like my third or fourth post so I’m just going to briefly reintroduce myself. I’m Asian, junior in high school (I initially said I was a senior cause I felt kind of embarrassed before I realized everyone here was so damn cool), 5’7, about 135 lbs. I don’t look overweight but I’ve got a pretty big belly going. Anyways, I made my first order a while back. I got IS to go, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) to go, and they gave me a free to go of ammo (thanks!) I used IS and Openness for awhile and had no results. I tried going from 1 spray and up but it never worked. I was always afraid to use ammo since I keep reading about how Asian girls don’t respond that well to ammo and I’m still too young to use it. I was ready to call it quits when last week, I went off campus to have lunch with the pals. I had a cigarette before going back (by the way, I just stopped this week. Figured I better stop while I didn’t really get into them that much). While running to my class, I didn’t want to smell like cigs since it’s an environmental class so I sprayed my wrists with like 2.5 or 3 sprays of IS? In my class, there’s an Asian senior. She’s not really hot, but very very cute ( which I like). I hope I didn’t imagine this, but I kept feeling like she was staring at me during the class. When I looked over to make eye contact, she immediately turned her eyes away. This happened like 2-3 times during the class period. The only problem is that she’s a year older than me, and she’s very tall. Probably the same height as I am. I kinda blew it anyways. I should of talked to her but then again, it’s a classroom. I decided to make my 2nd order a few days ago when I realized I was almost out of IS, less than half bottle of Openness, but still had a full ammo. I got a whole bottle of Instant Shine ( smells awesome too) and a to go of Instant Honesty. I was very disappointed with Instant Openness since I’m a pretty shy guy and I get kinda nervous around girls sometimes. By the way, I used Fedex Ground and it says the tracking number is invalid? I’m hoping Androtics just used DHL. I ship package to my cousin’s house since my mother likes to open people’s mail 😠. He’s been busy so hopefully he’ll get it soon. I would like to know where the best places spray for each product are. How many sprays, how often, should I try out ammo, etc. Obviously, I know it’s different for everybody but I’d like to just get a feel of where everyone succeeds. I really don’t want to waste them this time so if you guys could help me out, it’d be greatly appreciated. By the way, I feel no self effects from IS when I spray it on my neck. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 1:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/noob-looking-for-some-tips/20252/2 "2008-09-25T13:46:56Z")
Do not worry if you have no self-effects. Some people do and some do not. The other thing to remember especially with [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) is that the pheromones may give a prerson an inclination to behave a certain way around you but the real work is up to you to influence them to behave that way. Take IO in a classroom setting. People around you may be more inclined to talk but if for the most part in high school they know they should not interrupt the teacher so they will not. On the other hand they may be more inclined to ask a question or something along that line. They may also be more inclined to talk to you but again it is up to you to influnece them to do so. And you do that by talking to them. Usually the effects of these products - to include IO - will not kick in unless you take some positive social action that indicates to the other person it is OK to do what the pheromones are saying they might want to do. In the case of IO you may not need to say much to set it off. Just a simple “Hello - how’s it going today? How do you like teacher X?” Whatever. Once you show a desire to engage in conversation, the IO may well help kick loose a whole gabfest. and all you have to do is look interested and join in with a couple intelligent phrases from time to time. Give the Ammo a try - start with one spray. If you are self-conscious about your belly - 30 minutes a day of some exercise to include push-ups, crunches and some jogging works wonders. And don’t worry - tall girls need love too. ---
**Author:** ![Beaverlord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Beaverlord](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Beaverlord)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/noob-looking-for-some-tips/20252/3 "2008-09-25T22:36:06Z")
Thanks bosshank. Those are some good tips. I agree with what you said about IO. It is a classroom so I wasn’t really expecting anyone to just walk up and have a 15 minute conversation with me. I was however, hoping that they’d come talk to me in between classes, break, lunch, etc. since I am pretty shy and have difficulty starting conversations with people. Haha and I was just saying I had a big belly to see if it makes a difference. Does it? I recall reading somewhere that athletic people give off more pheros or something. ---
**Author:** ![ntk23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/65b543/32.png) [@ntk23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntk23)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 10:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/noob-looking-for-some-tips/20252/4 "2008-09-25T22:50:26Z")
> [@Beaverlord](#): > > Thanks bosshank. Those are some good tips. > > I agree with what you said about Instant Openness. It is a classroom so I wasn’t really expecting anyone to just walk up and have a 15 minute conversation with me. I was however, hoping that they’d **come talk to me** in between classes, break, lunch, etc. since I am pretty shy and have difficulty starting conversations with people. > > Haha and I was just saying I had a big belly to see if it makes a difference. Does it? I recall reading somewhere that athletic people give off more pheros or something. Just a thought… why don’t you spray both [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Honesty in equal measure on the same place so they are kind of mixed together, and you’ll basically have something similar to CTTM (notwithstanding any secret ingredients Androtics may add to CTTM)? This CTTM I haven’t tried, but I trust the judgment of the forum when I read reports on it. Also, [Using Body Language](http://changingminds.org/techniques/body/body_language.htm) - I just got this from Tisha’s signature. There is also a whole lot of stuff on body language, NLP and stuff you could read that will help you make the shy image of yourself smaller and smaller just as fast as a big bright image of yourself being confident, outgoing and suave looms up in your imagination to take its place 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![XDragonX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/6f9a4e/32.png) [@XDragonX](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XDragonX)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 4:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/noob-looking-for-some-tips/20252/5 "2008-09-26T04:01:51Z")
A little info on the ammo, it doesn’t push asian girls away really. It just pushes the shy ones away cause the asian party girls I know love that stuff so if the girls u want to attract are the shy ones i’d suggest no ammo but if you want someone a little more wild then use the ammo. And as one asian guy to another, use it man cause we sure as hell need the none lol. 1 spray won’t hurt but if you have to-go sizes then 2 will be fine too don’t be afraid of OD cause so far I’ve never even heard of an asian guy ODing on androstenone ---
**Author:** ![lukester19](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lukester19/32/1953_2.png) [@lukester19](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukester19)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 4:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/noob-looking-for-some-tips/20252/6 "2008-09-26T04:09:04Z")
Well hope you experiment with different products and amounts until you find your sweet spot. And just like the poster above said dont always expect them to come to you. You might have to also make a move if you see some actions but in the end it will pay off. The pheremone will loosen them up a bit. It should be to your advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Beaverlord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Beaverlord](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Beaverlord)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 5:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/noob-looking-for-some-tips/20252/7 "2008-09-26T05:27:57Z")
> [@XDragonX](#): > > A little info on the ammo, it doesn’t push asian girls away really. It just pushes the shy ones away cause the asian party girls I know love that stuff so if the girls u want to attract are the shy ones i’d suggest no ammo but if you want someone a little more wild then use the ammo. And as one asian guy to another, use it man cause we sure as hell need the none lol. 1 spray won’t hurt but if you have to-go sizes then 2 will be fine too don’t be afraid of OD cause so far I’ve never even heard of an asian guy ODing on androstenone Hahahaha. I’m not really into really wild ones. I like the ones who are fun and outgoing but not party animals. Having a relationship with a genuine person makes everything a lot better. Thanks to all the tips so far guys.