# nootropics / smartdrugs **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [July 7, 2008, 9:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088 "2008-07-07T21:18:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2008, 8:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/21 "2008-07-22T20:55:31Z")
I don’t use it daily or even on a regular basis. But when I feel the need I use 1mg sublingual tablet of melatonin to good effect. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2008, 11:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/22 "2008-07-24T11:21:23Z")
im looking forward to trying the timed released melatonin since im a light sleeper and it’ll keep me from waking up in the middle of the night. resveratrol…MeDieViL, can you share some of ur experiences with it? RI’s product page shows that it’s an antioxidant and possibly endurance enhancing. any cognitive or mood elevating effects? ---
**Author:** ![MeDieViL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/medievil/32/1650_2.png) [@MeDieViL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MeDieViL)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2008, 4:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/23 "2008-07-24T16:58:38Z")
Its an SIRT1 activator, this means it could increase health on every possible way like a caloric restriction diet i’l post my experience later because i stopped taking all sups because one of them made me depressed, i’m going to add them all in one by one ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2008, 4:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/24 "2008-07-31T04:22:23Z")
after about 2 weeks of using my new noots, i gotta say RI’s stuff is really as good as they claim. the aniracetam and oxiracetam is quite potent. i can feell the effect vividly and my brain stays active and awake through out the whole day. my sleeping quality has also improved. it’s also working wonders on my anxiety and stress, now i feel calm and peaceful most of the time. the picamilon is stabilizing my mood very nicely. no excessive ups and downs anymore. memory wise…hmm can’t really tell any significant difference yet. i do notice a slight improvement in recall…i’ll start taking idebenone this week and see if that helps. still waiting on biogenesis’ liquid deprenyl…and RI’s pramiracetam in late aug. if the ani and oxi work so well for me, can’t imagine what’ll happen when i take the prami lol.😃 ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 9:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/25 "2008-08-03T09:05:25Z")
ugh…liquid deprenyl (cyprenil) tastes like spoiled milk…is it supposed to taste this horrible???..😕 ---
**Author:** ![MeDieViL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/medievil/32/1650_2.png) [@MeDieViL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MeDieViL)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 1:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/26 "2008-08-03T13:32:00Z")
i gues so, why not just take tablets 😛 ---
**Author:** ![chicagokid1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@chicagokid1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chicagokid1)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 11:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/27 "2008-08-03T23:38:46Z")
Check out the immortality institute forum on nootropics. Its prob the most comprehensive guide to them. Everyones experiences are diff. with noots just like with pheros. I have tried most of the racetams(pi, ani, and oxi.). I noticed increase verbal fluency(great for writing papers or conversing), increased creativity, but at the same time an inability to focus on reasoning problems (ie: calc, organic chemistry…) basically I felt like too much coffee but with out the jitters or heart palpatations. No effect on memory. Other effects with racetams included a slightly higher tolerance to alcohol and a better chin I wasnt stunned as easily from a hard punch to the face(former kickboxer). Tried Hyergine once, actually it was twice (just to make sure of the effects) and I had a horible anxiety attack. Didnt think much of deprenyl or olmifon(no effect at 1 tab twice daily). Again everyones experiences are diff with noots. I do think they have their uses, but I no longer take them everyday due to the negative effects on my studies. in fact my current supplement regiment includes only 1 multi-vit, resveratrol (600mgs), and 1 melatonin (1mg) at night. Good luck with your experiments 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 4:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/28 "2008-08-04T04:57:58Z")
liquid deprenyl has better bioavailability, it still tastes like crap lol. chicagokid, hydergine gave u anxiety attacks? hmm, i was quite looking forward to trying it. racetams have negative effect on logic oriented problems? interesting… im studying japanese and french tho so it should be big help in my case. 🙂 i noticed my mind is clearer and sharper on racetams. for memory im testing idebenone and it seems to be working a little, only taking 1 tab a day so far. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 5:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/29 "2008-08-04T05:03:01Z")
is resveratrol over-counter or prescription? and what are it’s most prominent effects? energy / memory / IQ? i read in forums that SIRT1 activators often clash with many nootropics… ---
**Author:** ![RaiderMagic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@RaiderMagic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RaiderMagic)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 6:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/30 "2008-08-04T06:23:26Z")
Have you guys looked at other ways of mental enhancement? Like Brain wave Entrainment or Image Streaming or Dual N Back training? ---
**Author:** ![MeDieViL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/medievil/32/1650_2.png) [@MeDieViL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MeDieViL)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/31 "2008-08-07T17:50:57Z")
> [@LifeT](#): > > is resveratrol over-counter or prescription? > > and what are it’s most prominent effects? energy / memory / IQ? > > i read in forums that SIRT1 activators often clash with many nootropics… what forum is that? they wont clash at all resveratrol could give you more energy ---
**Author:** ![iamstretchypanda](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/iamstretchypanda/32/1228_2.png) [@iamstretchypanda](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/iamstretchypanda)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 6:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/32 "2008-08-09T06:31:31Z")
> [@LifeT](#): > > 5-HTP at night time for better sleep 5-HTP for sleep? I thought it indirectly increases the serotonin in the brain which effects mood and appetite. Ecstasy users tend to take it to replace depleated serotonin. Also which racetam have you have the best results with. I’m interested in trying them. I have experiance with 5-htp, st johns wart (stomache ache), SAM-e, and meletonin. ---
**Author:** ![Eslite119](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eslite119/32/176_2.png) [@Eslite119](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eslite119)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/33 "2008-08-10T22:47:45Z")
This is a pretty interesting thread. I would like to do some research of my own, but would also like to get some advice from those who are more experienced than I am. Currently, I maintain a heavy work schedule, but at the same time I’m preparing to go back to school. In the upcoming months I will be taking some standardized examinations. I prepared a lot and I do score pretty high at this point, but I do have some slip ups once in awhile. I would like to get any help I can get to keep my mental state in top shape up until the examination dates. I’m looking for something that’d increase my focus, concentration, and short-term memory (ex. reading some dense information and retaining it for certain amount of time). Can anyone give me some advice? I’d greatly appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/34 "2008-08-11T02:04:14Z")
> [@iamstretchypanda](#): > > 5-HTP for sleep? I thought it indirectly increases the serotonin in the brain which effects mood and appetite. Ecstasy users tend to take it to replace depleated serotonin. > > Also which racetam have you have the best results with. I’m interested in trying them. > > I have experiance with 5-htp, st johns wart (stomache ache), SAM-e, and meletonin. i think serotonin converts to melatonin so it helps with sleep. wikipedia says 5-HTP is marketed as a sleep aid. so far i have tested piracteam, aniracetam, oxiracetam. best result is from pira and ani combined with alpha-gpc. oxi seems to give me a tension headache, or i need to take it with even more alpha-gpc in order to balance the choline levels. still waiting for RI to release their pramiracetam. it’s supposed to be the best of all the racetams. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/35 "2008-08-11T02:16:23Z")
> [@Eslite119](#): > > I’m looking for something that’d increase my focus, concentration, and short-term memory (ex. reading some dense information and retaining it for certain amount of time). Can anyone give me some advice? I’d greatly appreciate it. hmm, short term memory wise, huperzine and idebenone are good. huperzine is powerful so it can’t be taken more than 4 times in a week. and no prolonged usage, take a break every couple of month. concentration and focus wise, all the racetams are good for that in one way or another. remember to take them with enough choline source (alpha-gpc) to avoid tiredness and tension headache. ALCAR and RLA are very good for brain energy and will make u feel awake and clearheaded. centrophenoxine and hydergine are also very good for increasing mental energy and memory boost. all of these can be taken together. (lowered dosage overall) oh and daily omega3 fish oil with lots of EPA and DHA is a MUST lol. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/36 "2008-08-11T02:19:24Z")
> [@MeDieViL](#): > > what forum is that? they wont clash at all > > resveratrol could give you more energy this one [ImmInst Forums -\> Nootropics](http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showforum=169) ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/37 "2008-08-11T02:32:27Z")
hmm even tho liquid deprenyl taste like shit it really does work for me. taken with phenylalinne for synergy it makes me almost euphoric. which sounds right cuz phenylalinne is the love drug in chocolates and the deprenyl enhances that. im sure this high won’t last as my body builds up tolerance tho. dosage now is 2mg drops a 250mg tab of phenyl in the morning. so far i still prefer picamilon the best. it’s stable and dependable and doesn’t create big highs and downs. that’s what i need in daily life. steady mood and a controlled pace. plus the GABA in it might even help with IQ lol. i’ve been wondering the possibility of using nootropic to complement law of attraction. since emotion is the most important factor in LOA, using nootropic to make sure my overall mood is generally positive and uplifted should be beneficial for the whole manifestation process. a well supplemented mind is a healthy mind, a healthy mind thinks positive thoughts, positive thoughts generate happy feelings, and happy feelings attract happy things into one’s life. ---
**Author:** ![MeDieViL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/medievil/32/1650_2.png) [@MeDieViL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MeDieViL)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 4:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/38 "2008-08-11T16:56:51Z")
aha imminst i know about that one 🙂 great forum ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2008, 1:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/39 "2008-08-12T13:30:58Z")
> [@LifeT](#): > > which sounds right cuz phenylalinne is the love drug in chocolates. I thought that was theobromine? I would be worried about long term use of smartdrugs, have these been studied at all? ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088/40 "2008-08-12T20:22:52Z")
> [@MeDieViL](#): > > aha imminst i know about that one 🙂 great forum totally agree! 😃 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nootropics-smartdrugs/15088.md?page=3)