# Not So Good Effects of Fructose... **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [July 15, 2007, 12:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660 "2007-07-15T12:42:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 12:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/1 "2007-07-15T12:42:28Z")
I found this very interesting article on Fructose and health… > [@](#): > > A researcher in the United States claims that the reason for the obesity epidemic is more than just the calories we eat and the lack of exercise. It’s a substance that food manufacturers are widely using. [Health Report - 9July2007 - The obesity epidemic](http://www.abc.net.au/rn/healthreport/stories/2007/1969924.htm) ---
**Author:** ![noblelady](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noblelady/32/2391_2.png) [@noblelady](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noblelady)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/2 "2007-07-19T21:52:34Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > I found this very interesting article on Fructose and health… > > [Health Report - 9July2007 - The obesity epidemic](http://www.abc.net.au/rn/healthreport/stories/2007/1969924.htm) I just attended a series of presentations/lectures in FLA the end of Jun One of the researchers was a Dr Ann DeWees-Allen It was, en toto, fascinating, and absolutely amazing, but one of the things she mentioned in passing was that one of the **MOST FATTENING** substances available to mankind right now is : **diet soda**. What blew _me_ away was the sidenote: “You don’t even have to SWALLOW this stuff-just swish a diet soda around in your mouth, _spit it out_, and it will make you fatter than a pig!”😮 😮 😮 \*(she has a rather impressive scientific “pedigree” and a personal story definitely worth reading-I’ll post the link in a sec) ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 10:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/3 "2007-07-19T22:41:24Z")
> [@noblelady](#): > > … **MOST FATTENING** substances available to mankind right now is : **diet soda**. What blew _me_ away was the sidenote: > “You don’t even have to SWALLOW this stuff-just swish a diet soda around in your mouth, _spit it out_, and it will make you fatter than a pig!”… Can you explain that one??😕 ---
**Author:** ![bronzie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@bronzie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bronzie)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 11:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/4 "2007-07-19T23:39:39Z")
in fact diet drinks dont make you fatter, apart from having next to nothing in calories, the artificial sweetners used in most diet products also supress the appetite, bodybuilders often drink diet coke and other diet drinks when nearing a competition just for the appetite supressing charachteristics of the drink like mjim said, can you explain that one? because its kind of hard to believe ---
**Author:** ![noblelady](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noblelady/32/2391_2.png) [@noblelady](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noblelady)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2007, 12:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/5 "2007-07-20T00:38:57Z")
Hi! I’m sorry, had a lot of distractions the last while or so!:o 🙂 The comment she made was in a general presentation Jun 30th. Another item she claimed was fattening was : rice cakes! 😮 It didn’t make sense,😕 and I’ve had no time to **“trust, but verify”** yet- but I think it had to do with the glycemic index and the bodies’ response … Here are some of her links: [Dr. Ann de Wees Allen](http://www.anndeweesallen.com/) [Dr. Ann de Wees Allen](http://www.anndeweesallen.com/Biography.htm) [Glycemic Research Institute | Glycemic Index | Glycemic Index Testing | Nano Certification](http://www.glycemic.com/USDA1.htm) [Glycemic Index Testing | Glycemic Index | Glycemic Load](http://glycemicindextesting.com/AboutUs.htm) [Glycemic Index Testing | Glycemic Index | Glycemic Load | Cephalic Research](http://glycemicindextesting.com/) [Dr. Ann de Wees Allen](http://www.anndeweesallen.com/Patents.htm) etc etc Here’s her story of survival (which was the initial- or the strongest- impetus for her research) [Dr. Ann de Wees Allen](http://www.anndeweesallen.com/SurvivalStory.htm) She and her team have come up with real answers for athletes, diabetics, and sickle cell anemia–and I enjoyed meeting her immensely. SO, I’m willing to give her TBOTD (the benefit of the doubt) till I find out why what she said (which doesn’t make any sense on first glance) is or isn’t valid. ---
**Author:** ![noblelady](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noblelady/32/2391_2.png) [@noblelady](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noblelady)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2007, 12:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/6 "2007-07-20T00:53:43Z")
🙂 Here’s a link that might be more germaine to the discussion: [http://glycemicindextesting.com/Documents/GI-GL-Defined/GLYCEMIC%20INDEX%20DEFINED.pdf](http://glycemicindextesting.com/Documents/GI-GL-Defined/GLYCEMIC%20INDEX%20DEFINED.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2007, 5:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/7 "2007-07-20T05:43:01Z")
> [@bronzie](#): > > in fact diet drinks dont make you fatter, apart from having next to nothing in calories, the artificial sweetners used in most diet products also supress the appetite, bodybuilders often drink diet coke and other diet drinks when nearing a competition just for the appetite supressing charachteristics of the drink > > like mjim said, can you explain that one? because its kind of hard to believe If it has fructose in it, it will make you fatter like the first article explains. Fructose goes to your liver like alcohol does, only without the buzz…😃 ---
**Author:** ![noblelady](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noblelady/32/2391_2.png) [@noblelady](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noblelady)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 2:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/8 "2007-07-26T02:52:16Z")
[Skinny Science | biomedical research | weight management in humans | Cephalic effect](http://www.skinnyscience.com/)😛 ---
**Author:** ![noblelady](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noblelady/32/2391_2.png) [@noblelady](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noblelady)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 6:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/9 "2007-07-27T06:41:48Z")
I’m not a fan of Katie Couric and I \*didn’t \* see the show but I heard she broached the topic of diet sodas being fattening. …and yes, I broke down and had almost a whole diet Dr Pepper today 😛 ☹ - my first one since the end of Jun! ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 11:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/10 "2007-07-27T11:51:00Z")
> [@noblelady](#): > > I’m not a fan of Katie Couric and I \*didn’t \* see the show but I heard she broached the topic of diet sodas being fattening. > …and yes, I broke down and had almost a whole diet Dr Pepper today 😛 ☹ - my first one since the end of Jun! Once in a while isn’t bad.. it’s the regular thing which is bad usually… ---
**Author:** ![noblelady](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noblelady/32/2391_2.png) [@noblelady](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noblelady)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 11:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/11 "2007-07-27T11:56:33Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > Once in a while isn’t bad.. it’s the regular thing which is bad usually… True It’s just that phrase :“equivilant to six bowls of sugar” that gets me 😮 -which is decidedly counterproductive to the goals of most people drinking diet soda!! I happen to like Diet Dr Pepper b/c its not as _sweet_ as regular-I just always thought it was a better taste ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 11:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/12 "2007-07-27T11:58:50Z")
> [@noblelady](#): > > True > It’s just that phrase :“equivilant to six bowls of sugar” that gets me 😮 -which is decidedly counterproductive to the goals of most people drinking diet soda!! > > I happen to like Diet Dr Pepper b/c its not as _sweet_ as regular-I just always thought it was a better taste Locally I’m not seeing fructose as an ingredient in diet drinks.. aspartame is listed yes of course.. is it that they don’t use fructose here or they just don’t list it I wonder? ---
**Author:** ![noblelady](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noblelady/32/2391_2.png) [@noblelady](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noblelady)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 12:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/13 "2007-07-27T12:02:13Z")
I’m not sure _which_ ingredient is the culprit precisely- or what exactly produces the cephalic response- but whatever it is, it freaks me out that you don’t even have to swallow it to get the effects!😮 ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 2:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/14 "2007-08-16T02:03:50Z")
I heard some story about the artificial sweeteners fool the body into thinking it’s supposed to be calorie laden sugar and that throws the system into a tizzy when it turns out not to be so. Odd statement too… ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/15 "2007-08-16T04:39:30Z")
Fructose is the sugar in fruits/veggies, which is why great athletes eat fruits before events. . ---
**Author:** ![noblelady](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noblelady/32/2391_2.png) [@noblelady](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noblelady)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 4:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/16 "2007-08-16T04:46:27Z")
I found this: ".. **on CBS News, Katie Couric, broke the story that diet sodas are _fattening_ and can increase risk of Metabolic Syndrome and heart disease. This was startling news to the public, and baffling to scientists.** **Susan Feely, President of the American Beverage Association, stated “How can something with zero calories that’s 99% water with a little flavoring in it . . cause weight gain?”😮** **CBS quoted studies that show people who _drink more than one soft drink a day had a 48 percent increased prevalence of metabolic syndrome_.** **DIET SODA CAUSES WEIGHT GAIN** \*\*New studies involving over 1,500 subjects have shown that people who drink diet soft drinks don’t lose weight - in fact, they **gain weight**. Researchers stated “What was surprising was when we looked at people only drinking diet soft drinks, their risk of obesity was even higher.” In fact, when the researchers took a closer look at their data, they found that nearly all the obesity risk from soft drinks came from diet sodas. There was a 41 percent increase in risk of being overweight for every can or bottle of diet soft drink a person consumes each day. For diet soft-drink drinkers, the risk of becoming overweight or obese was: \*\* - **36.5 percent for up to 1/2 can each day** - **37.5 percent for 1/2 to one can each day** - **54.5 percent for 1 to 2 cans each day** - **57.1 percent for more than 2 cans each day.** **For each can of diet soft drink consumed each day, a person’s risk of obesity went up 41 percent.** **WHY?** _ **Cephalic Response: Key Code to Obesity** _ **The real issue for the soda researchers, which was addressed by Katie Couric on CBS news, was why diet sodas cause weight gain. It may be a mystery to most researchers, but the SKINNY SCIENCE research team already has the answer.** \*\*Clinical researchers at **Glycemic Research Laboratories** (GRL) know exactly why and how diet sodas cause weight gain. It’s caused by the Cephalic Response, and the GRL SKINNY SCIENCE team has been studying the effects on humans for the past 20 years. \*\* **They, in fact, received the first patent awarded worldwide for this research.** **With combined expertise of 90 years, the SKINNY SCIENCE team has delved into the biochemistry that causes the Cephalic Response, including the glycemic index and glycemic response of foods.** **The CV’s of the SKINNY SCIENCE researchers reads like a _Who’s Who_, and actually includes a scientist that is listed in the _Who’s Who of American Inventors_, the top genetic researcher in the world from NIH, and a renowned MD, PhD in Cardiovascular Pharmacology, who just won a Lifetime Achievement Award…"** ---
**Author:** ![thr3shold](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thr3shold/32/2316_2.png) [@thr3shold](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thr3shold)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 6:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/17 "2007-08-16T06:59:11Z")
Are they not just showing a correlation and not a causation? ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 2:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/18 "2007-08-16T14:34:51Z")
> [@thr3shold](#): > > Are they not just showing a correlation and not a causation? Even if it’s just a correlation so far, it doesn’t imply that there isn’t a causation… ---
**Author:** ![thr3shold](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thr3shold/32/2316_2.png) [@thr3shold](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thr3shold)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2007, 2:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/19 "2007-08-17T14:47:30Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > Even if it’s just a correlation so far, it doesn’t imply that there isn’t a causation… …and the fact that there are no tigers near me proves my tiger repellent amulet works… ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2007, 2:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660/20 "2007-08-17T14:50:19Z")
> [@thr3shold](#): > > …and the fact that there are no tigers near me proves my tiger repellent amulet works… Not logically speaking, no it doesn’t! [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-good-effects-of-fructose/4660.md?page=2)