# Not-so-new Pheromone Newbie **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [June 18, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-new-pheromone-newbie/59350 "2013-06-18T16:01:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EthanT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58956e/32.png) [@EthanT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EthanT)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-new-pheromone-newbie/59350/1 "2013-06-18T16:01:43Z")
Hey guys! I have been reading around and I really like this forum. Everyone is so helpful and friendly; it’s basically a community! Usually on the internet there are trolls and hot headed people, but in this forum everyone seems like they want to help each other out! Anyhow a little Introduction: My name is Ethan, I’m 23 and still in college. I go to Rutgers in NJ (go Scarlet Knights!) and I’m majoring in Mechanical Engineering. At my school, there is a huge variety of people from around the world. We have Caucasians, Asians, Africans, Indians; every race you name it! I have a girlfriend but she’s really “reserved”. We’ve been dating for four months and finally she let me kiss her. I was looking for something to break the boundary between us. Pheromones: After reading a Popular Science magazine I spotted an ad that basically said “Get Pheromones they will do everything”. It was from Athena Institute (you probably see the ads too! They’re everywhere…). Being as impulsive as I am, I bought it. Luckily, it did erase my skepticism with pheromones because it helped in our relationship, but it also erased the few dollars I have in my wallet. It was $100+ for a little two ounce bottle. The thing says it lasts 4-6 months but it was more like three. That’s $400 a year! Since I’m in college I need to save as much money as I can. What am I Looking For? Well I definitely know pheromones work, so I’m not looking for someone to tell me “yeah they work”. I want something that breaks boundaries in long term relationships, yet is a little sexual. Also I need something that is lighter on my wallet. I did a little research of my own: Instant Openess and Ammo seems like a good combo except Instant Openess is $120. Does anyone know how many months these bottles last? Then i was thinking Instant Gentleman and Instant Shine. That would be $80. But overall I think Instant Shine is not as good as Instant Openess. Is there a putative or [experimental pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/experimental-pheromones/) that has the same effects as Instant Openess? I think that would be cheaper. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![ryanmercer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ryanmercer/32/1569_2.png) [@ryanmercer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ryanmercer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 4:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-new-pheromone-newbie/59350/2 "2013-06-18T16:17:18Z")
At your age, I assume your partner is a similar age, I’d suggest Ammo and I’d suggest [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) or Instant Shine and guess what you picked those too. The bottle will last depending entirely on how much you use. If you use 1 squirt a day or 3 it’s going to be radically different. You need to find what works good for you and the person of interest and then decide from there. It’s safe to assume 2-3 squirts of each. so 60-90 days or so per 30ml bottle if one application a day. Note: If she doesn’t want to have sex, pheromones aren’t going to change that. Go read [What pheromones can do and what they cant Updated](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-can-do-and-what-they-cant-updated/9558). Note: You should respect any boundaries a partner places, if they don’t want to do something that’s their thing do not pressure them, respect their wishes. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 10:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-new-pheromone-newbie/59350/3 "2013-06-18T22:07:31Z")
Hello, Ethan! Welcome! You’re definitely not going to find a putative or MX that does the same thing as anything in the consumer line. MX’s are experimental mixes that are in the process of being tested and changed. Putatives are one single molecule. Once something gets into the consumer line (has a name of its own), its nearly impossible to reproduce it. And honestly, it would be more expensive to try. All of these products are priced according to their ingredients, so there isn’t really any cheaper alternative. If you’d like your girlfriend to feel more attracted to you, [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is a great place to start. I wouldn’t say that IO is better than IS, they have completely different purposes. IO is for conversation and chattiness, and IS is for happiness and lightheartedness. Some people have found IS to be more effective than IO in different situations, and vice versa. For example, it has been noted that IO might not be the best to pair with A314, because it conflicts with the authority vibe. IS, however, is a favorite to pair with A314. It’s all about perspective. Looking forward to hearing more from you! ---
**Author:** ![CelticPrince](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/celticprince/32/397_2.png) [@CelticPrince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CelticPrince)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2013, 1:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-new-pheromone-newbie/59350/4 "2013-06-20T13:02:52Z")
Hi Ethan, welcome. Listen to the DragonLady, she speaketh the truth. Ammo is a great place to start, and it is the one mone I wear that I get women telling me how good I smell. Gets their motors running too. Maybe consider a togo bottle of Tuth as well for when things are “moving along” so to speak with your ladyfriend. If things are getting hot, a little tuth will help things progress to the bedroom. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-so-new-pheromone-newbie/59350/6 "2013-06-26T15:58:06Z")
Welcome Ethan, This is a super informal and not so tailored response if you will. I would luuuuuuuv to spend more time assisting you especially since you are a newbie. We are short staffed and these gift certificates are done manually. It takes a great deal and I am back logged. I am hoping that when I catch up on my work, I can start answering these intro threads the way I use to In fact, I am hoping that soon, someone more experienced than me can come in so I get to do what I am great at, customer service. Thank you for giving [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) a chance. Your gc was issued!