# Not sure what would work best for me **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 19, 2007, 12:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-sure-what-would-work-best-for-me/7558 "2007-12-19T00:34:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![crisc44](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@crisc44](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crisc44)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2007, 12:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-sure-what-would-work-best-for-me/7558/1 "2007-12-19T00:34:39Z")
Im new to all this stuff but it looks pretty interesting. I am asking for advice as to which pheromon I should I use. Im concerned for a few reasons though. One, I am a bodybuilder and I have a quite large build and sometimes I feel like I am a little naturally intimidating and I dont want to make that worse, but I am already very outgoing and personable. Every weekend I go out with the guys and we hit on girls. I want something that will give me that edge over the other guys. Im 23 years old, 5’8 and fairly good looking. I’m looking for something to help me get laid fast. !! ---
**Author:** ![SSideways](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ssideways/32/487_2.png) [@SSideways](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SSideways)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2007, 12:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-sure-what-would-work-best-for-me/7558/2 "2007-12-19T00:47:23Z")
> [@crisc44](#): > > I’m looking for something to help me get laid fast. !! LMAO 😃 Aren’t we all… I’m thinking Ammo for attraction, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) to get women to relax around you and Instant Openness to get your foot in the door. Also check out The Mystery Method, it’ll increase your closing ratio. ---
**Author:** ![crisc44](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@crisc44](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crisc44)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2007, 12:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-sure-what-would-work-best-for-me/7558/3 "2007-12-19T00:50:46Z")
My friend Bobby, I dont know how he does it but twice we have gone out to a club and about an hour later he is outside in the car bangging in the back seat this is out of maybe 10 times going out so a 20% rate… I asked my female friend about this and she said it was pheremons. Thats how I ended up here looking into this. ---
**Author:** ![SSideways](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ssideways/32/487_2.png) [@SSideways](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SSideways)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2007, 2:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-sure-what-would-work-best-for-me/7558/4 "2007-12-19T02:21:46Z")
That’s hillarious. Pheros won’t do the job alone, but they increase your potential. It’s like pheros (and you having a good presentation) will get the woman attracted and interested, but you need game, a game plan, poise and confidence to close the deal. Remember, it’s a number’s game. Check out the mystery method, david deangelo and if your friend’s that good, watch him and ask him what he does. Tell him if he teaches you, you’ll be his wing man or something… you may have your own PUA coach. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2007, 6:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-sure-what-would-work-best-for-me/7558/5 "2007-12-19T06:28:36Z")
MM suggests going out with a good wingman or alone. Not with people who will lower your social status (NOT implying anything here), or keep you from doing you best. " Let me tell you… my boy B can talk and back in the day… before he got married… he was the perfect wingman. But, now that he’s married I think that he just likes to see me get into trouble ('cause there’s no way he’s cheating on his wife). So, he gets talking to the waitress… letting her know that it’s my birthday… trying to embarrass me I’m quite sure… when she completely drops a full drink ALL down my back. You should have seen her face… I think she thought that I was going to go ape sh\*t on her… But I didn’t… and remember… this was at the very BEGINNING of the night… not good. I reassure our waitress that everything was fine… after all… being upset really wasn’t going to solve the problem of me being all wet… Plus… I knew it would make a better story if I just let it go and kept my cool. (Note: I always think in terms of what would make a good story… especially if the story can put me in a great light) Anyway, we finished dinner… but unfortunately… our “waitress” friend had already made plans with a bunch of her guy friends… and we definitely didn’t want any part of that… We walk up to the bar inside the restaurant where we grab a seat and have a couple of drinks. B gets a phone call from a couple of friends that have just flown into town for the same golf tournament that he was in… and they let him know that they were going to meet us out. “Great,” I thought… “A sausage fest” is definitely going go over well. Here’s why I was thinking this… You see, most guys don’t really have the balls to go up and talk to random women. But, if one guy in the group DOES have the balls and the skills… the other guys will “leech” off of the one guy and try to muscle in on the conversation… … and usually screw it up for everyone else. So you can imagine my excitement when I heard that we were going to have “company”… B’s “friends” show up and I’m completely horrified as these guys come in looking like they just fell out of the back woods in BFE. Perfect… exactly what I was afraid of. I have to confess, I didn’t think my chances were going to be great… especially when one of the guys commented on a pair of women that had just sat down across the bar from us… That’s when B looks over at me and says: “Look man, I’ve been telling these guys how good you are… but I don’t think they believe me… Go talk to those ladies over there and show 'em what’s up” I sigh and tell him to hold on a minute… "What are you waiting for, " one of the guys asks sarcastically… and then about two minutes later… one of the women looks over, makes eye contact, and smiles… “That,” I said… and l left them there confused as all get out (except B… he saw what I saw) Of course, I really hadn’t thought about what I was going to say… I hate cheeseball lines and other “pick up” material and prefer just to make the encounter make sense. I walk up and put my hands on the back of the shoulders of each woman (I knew that this probably wouldn’t be a problem because they had been laughing and smiling a bit) as I started… “I wonder if you guys can help me out… you see it’s my birthday and I’m only in town for a few days and I’ve been looking for the best places to go. Since you guys look like you know what’s interesting around here… I figured you’d be the best people to ask” Simple opener. Sincere. And most importantly… the truth. And what came out of their mouths was absolutely hilarious… you see, they were from out of town, too… (Now we had some common ground… nice) Apparently, they had been here before and knew of a few places… and that’s when the fun began… I quickly found out that one of the women was married… but the other… the one that smiled at me was definitely single. So, I had a sneaky suspicion that the “married” friend was trying to take the other one out… and possibly playing “gatekeeper”… So, I started telling some stories… and I addressed each of them equally as I told them. I told the story about what had happened earlier in the night about the drink down my back… and how I reacted. They both were quite impressed with my reasoning and with my “mature” and controlled response. Perfect… just what I was looking for. This was important for two reasons… one… it allowed me to convey to the “married” friend that I was damn cool and that it was okay for her to “let” me talk to her friend… this is important. Two was the fact that most guys don’t act with that much composure… so the fact that I DID helped to frame me with a little mystery and intrigue… a great start. A short time later… 'ole B came up and jumped into the conversation… effectively chatting up the married friend in a friendly manner… which made sense since he’s married too… while I isolated the other one. I asked engaging questions… often times… even answering her questions with questions of my own… I focused in on her… continuing to build rapport through questions and storytelling until I could tell that the party was going to have to relocate to somewhere else… mainly because B’s friends were seeing my success and started to try to muscle into the conversation. Before I continue… let me set something straight. These two women are highly successful and have their shit together. I didn’t see a single guy talk to them the whole time before I approached them because most women in this category are extremely intimidating to most guys. (Which just goes to show that if you just get in there sometimes… that’s all you need) I also knew that a “fake” BS approach would crash and burn (which is why I never go for them)… Okay, back on the ranch… I knew that a change in location was necessary. Why? Because… most women have a skewed timeline. If you go to more than one place in a night… it’s like going on more than one date… which can build even more rapport… which can speed up other things if that’s what you’re looking for… I personally try not to think of things like that and try to just “go with the flow”… So, I excused myself to the bathroom… and my new friend decided she needed to go too. I obviously finished first and nonchalantly waited for her outside the women’s restroom. When she came out… I playfully teased her about how long she took and she looked down… ran her fingers through her hair gently and shyly apologized (an indicator of interest). When she looked back up, I put my arm around her waist and gently pulled her to me and I asked her if she wanted to try another spot… and that’s when she softly and slowly bit her lip… … and I didn’t give her a chance to say “yes” as my lips met hers… And that’s all the story I have… The whole point of this story was to map out what happened and how I think when I’m out and about. If you’ll notice… there was no real pressure on me to do anything… and it showed. Was there a little bit of urgency… sure… neither one of us lived there so there was a little “now or never” type mentality… Anyway… I have more stories to tell… and no… they aren’t crass by any means so don’t get your hopes up… Until next time… Angel Eyes p.s. You know the drill: [The “Infamous” Angel Eyes, Devil Smile](http://www.angeleyesdevilsmile.com)" ---
**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2007, 8:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-sure-what-would-work-best-for-me/7558/6 "2007-12-19T08:57:38Z")
Hello Crisc44, everybody already gave many good suggestions to you. The only thing in more that I could suggest you, talking about Pheros, is to try taking some products in TO GO size, so you can have many of them and paying less, so you can test which ones suits best to you. I could suggest you the “Instant” line and even “Ammo”. If you’re going with a group, could also be useful a base of A314, just to show up an “Alpha Male” status. When I started with Pheros I had really good results with Instant Shine and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). Even Turn Up The Heat works well (I’m testing it lately), but usually with woman that already shown some interest. Let us know what you’ll take and your results too!!! We’re very curious!!! See ya Franz