# Not sure... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 6, 2008, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-sure/9738 "2008-03-06T15:06:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MerZikain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/merzikain/32/1950_2.png) [@MerZikain](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MerZikain)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-sure/9738/1 "2008-03-06T15:06:07Z")
So I’ve been using a wide variety of mixes of the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) I’ve purchased. So far I have only had a few obvious “hits”. I may be getting a lot more than what I’ve noticed but the problem is that I have two main operating modes when I go out. The first is the one I use when I just want to go accomplish something without any hassel, I tend to keep a straight face and rarely smile or make eye contact with anyone other than who I specificly want to interact with (sales people and such). My other mode is when I actually want to meet someone. That’s when I drop every pretense and open up. Not to toot my own horn but I can be pretty damned charming when I want to be and the reactions I get are 95% positive anyway, so now that I’m attempting pheromones it is really difficult to see any definite difference. So far all the pheros have done is give me more reason to run in mode 2, which of course comes with the automatic IOI’s I get from just being me. I bought a bottle of IS and IFM first off and then decided to get a ToGo size of Ammo, IO, IH, and TUTH to try out and see which ones did what and all that. Then I bought a bottle of A314 since so many people talk it up so much and it sounded great for the vast majority of interactions I’m looking for (both business and personal). I started out with just the IS and IFM, 1 spray of IFM to the back of the neck and 2 of IS to the front. I noticed nothing from that. I then tried 2 of IFM and 3 of IS and still didn’t notice anything. That’s when I realized that IFM is touted as a relaxant and so I’m figuring I’d have to try it around women that have been uptight around me previously to see something. So I tried 3 drops of A314 (one behind each ear and one shared between wrists), 2 shots of IH to the left side of my neck and 2 of IO to the right side, and 3 shots of IS to the front of my neck. I went to work with this and no one seemed to act any differently toward me than usual, no more or less talkative/friendly. Later that day, after work before I went out, I refreshed everything except the A314 then added 2 shots of Ammo to my chest and one shot of TUTH below that. The absolute ONLY thing I noticed that night was that an older lady on my pool league team was more talkative to me and made a couple of unexpected phyiscal contacts that seemed a little out of place to me (nothing major, just a hand on shoulder for a few moments and a pat on the back while talking about something completely innocuous). Since then I’ve come to realize that she’s just that kind of person to the people she’s friends with. Previously I had never really talked to her and that was the second time I had been in a situation to be able to so the only thing I can think of is that maybe the pheros helped speed the friendly stage. Who knows. Subsequently I’ve tried the same mixtures with slight variations (more or less sprays of all or specific products) and rarely notice anything that I can definitely say was due to the pheros. One example of something I think was phero based happened last friday night. I went to a bar ahead of my friends to get used to the pool tables there and just see what would happen. I should mention that my best friend is a stereotypical Alpha Male type. This is a problem for me if we go hang out together in a social environment since he tends to take center stage and gets all the women falling all over him. It’s annoying since he’s married with kids and has absolutely no intention of cheating on his wife (if he did he wouldn’t be my friend let alone my best friend), so it’s frustrating that the women go after the unavailable one. Regardless, I’m at the bar waiting on him and one of our other friends to show up, shooting some pool. I order some water from the waitress and keep shooting. Eventually this girl comes in and starts shooting on the table behind me. I had been there for an hour already with no one to talk to besides myself and the waitress, who previously wasn’t around long enough to talk to anyway. So I introduce myself to this girl and she ignores me. That has NEVER happened before. So I do so again a little louder. Keep in mind this is early in the evening, no music is drowning me out and there aren’t many people talking so she was either VERY absorbed in playing pool against herself or she was purposefully ignoring me. My second attempt to introduce myself was received but poorly, she tersely responded with her own name and promptly went back to shooting, hardly giving me a second look. So I’m immediately confused by this and a little annoyed. Like I said, this never happens to me, I introduce myself and women smile and introduce themselves to me. The worst reaction I’ve had previously is that they introduced themselves but didn’t smile and we only talked for a few minutes afterward. So I decide to try to break the iceberg she was apparently encasing herself in by telling a silly joke. Another bit of info about me, I’m a joker, you can’t tell by just looking at me. If I’m not smiling and talking to my friends you’d look at me and be intimidated and likely not want to talk to me. Kinda sucks but that’s what I’m trying to get around with pheros. So being this big “scary” guy I turn and say, “Do you know what gay cows eat?” Again she ignores me so I loudly reiterate, “Pardon me, miss, but would you happen to know what gay cows consume?” This gets her attention and she turns to me with a stoic look and says simply “No.” So I say in my best gay voice, “Heeeey.” Now granted this is a silly joke, but think about the guy telling it. This should have at least illicited a smile. But nothing happened. No smile, no laugh, nothing. She just turns back around and goes back to shooting. So I say “Oh come on, that was a great joke, you gonna tell me you didn’t find that the least bit amusing?” to which she replies “I’m not in the mood for jokes.” I dont’ care who you are or what mood you’re in, when you hear that joke in that situation coming from a guy like me you’d laugh at the sheer absurdity of it at least. And if not then you’re not in the mood to be out in public at all. What she meant to say was “I’m not interested in having sex with you which is obviously what you want since you’re talking to me since I’m a woman and you’re a man and all men want to have sex with me”. As soon as her friend showed up (another girl) she was all smiles and laughs so her mood couldn’t have been that bad. Before that, though, the waitress came back over and I asked for another water and her opinion. I told her the same joke and she ate it up. We talked for a few moments and had a few laughs. I told her another joke later that night after my friends showed up and she loved that one too, but I didn’t see any obvious signs of attraction beyond the willingness to have me flag her over for a refill or joke. No hair fiddling or obvious body language beyond a smiling attentiveness to what I had to say, but again that’s normal for me so I have a hard time attributing that to pheros. That night as I’m leaving I walked back up to the waitress who had been serving me all night and told her that I thought her water was the best but not to tell the other waitress since it’d probably hurt her feelings. She laughed and I told her we’d have to do this again sometime, which got another laugh and an agreement. Again, not unusual. The only OBVIOUS reaction I have seen to date happened the night after. Again I was wearing pheros earlier that day while I was out on the town wasting time so after the sun went down most of them had worn down considerably. But when I got over to my friends house for the weekly get together, one of my friends girl friend asked what was different about me. There’s nothing different other than I’ve been letting my hair grow out but it’s not a noticable difference right now, especially considering we had all hung out the week before. So THAT I do contribute to pheros alerting her subconscious. Only one other thing has happened after that. Last sunday I drove my mother to town to go to the pet store. While there the girl that was working in the department we were in kept using a lot of LOUD body language. I didn’t say a word the whole time but she spent the majority of the time telling me the answers to my mothers questions, a ton of eye contact, hair fiddling, smiling, and other overt signs. So to sum up, of the reactions women have had to me since using pheromones, 98% seem to be normal to me but the case of “what’s different about you” and the pet store girl seem proof of something more than just my natural personality. I’ve wondered if I’ve been using too many pheros together or maybe too much of any of them at a time. I’ve varied my mixes in dose but from what I’ve read using all of the pheros I’ve used together has been done with success before. Unless I was reading those posts wrong. I’ve gone out with and without TUTH and Ammo but still didn’t notice anything. I’m thinking of buying a bottle of Ammo soon. I’ve only worn the TUTH when I knew I was going to be in a place where there’d be “sluts” hanging out just to see if I got any reactions. And so far I haven’t seen any. So any suggestions? Well suggestions aside from “keep your posts shorter” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Greenfreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@Greenfreak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Greenfreak)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-sure/9738/2 "2008-03-06T22:28:04Z")
One consistent advice I read here for newbies is to go easy on combining pheros before you know what each and every one do for you. This is for 2 reasons, one, that you learn what they do, and where you get effect from them, and mixing never really helps you learn what is working or not. Personally I have so far achieved very good results with A314, and is enjoying that so much that I don’t know when I will get to the other ones for testing. As for the pool incident, pheromones take a while to kick in, some of the effect is also attributable to you acting a little differently I think. But generally, you need some kind of attention before you initiate contact. If they really do ignore you, either the pheromones haven’t affected them yet, or it is not their “thing”, ie she might have been hardcore lesbian. I find with A314, that even though it makes me feel better, and able to “claim more space”, that it doesn’t really help much if I just walk up to someone and start chatting. It works much better if I give it time to work, and get my “cue” from the target that they are in the right mood for interaction. That can be them coming on to me, or that I see them watch me or something similar. Ignoring me, however, is not such a cue. And remember, pheros is just a small part of the equation. If their brain decides that you are a creep, no pheros in the world helps. ---
**Author:** ![rohitiyer10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ad7895/32.png) [@rohitiyer10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rohitiyer10)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-sure/9738/3 "2008-03-07T00:17:15Z")
A) don’t keep your posts shorter, if you need to expand, it’ll help people (at least me) understand the whole situation B) Don’t go mix crazy or spray happy. Now that you’ve hopefully (lol) gotten the I NEED TO MIX, outa ur system, you really should try them 1 at a time. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-sure/9738/4 "2008-03-07T01:15:28Z")
MerZiKain, I liked your post, it’s good you are trying and good that you are conscious of your “modes”. It is frustrating to read all the “hit reports” and think “maybe I’m doing something wrong”. Relax, it will come to you. Sometimes we just have boring spells no matter how many sprays of this or that we put on. You might just try starting over. Go back to using one product for a week and changing to dose around. There’s a really cool guy named Patratt around here that started over, and over and over. You might check out his journal. It’s in the men’s journals section it’s called “smell this” and then this latest adventure > [@Whoops! Sexually Aggresive Married Women Mix](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whoops-sexually-aggresive-married-women-mix/9340): > > After a small hiatus…I am back! This mix was completely out of control! in a good way slight_smile I composited a mix of various products in a dark closet for 3 days prior to usage of this powerful potion. I do not have my notes with me to give you the exact pheros and amounts right now, but I will tell you it included: Turn up the heat, Come talk to me, TAL, and P74 mixed with my favorite cologne on top of 3 drops of Mutant A314. If anyone wants the specific amounts I can post that later.… Maybe some of his experience will help. Good luck to ya. 🙂