# Note to self: Keep IO away from A-314 (Report) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 26, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951 "2011-06-26T20:10:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Terpines](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@Terpines](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Terpines)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951/1 "2011-06-26T20:10:15Z")
3 sprays of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) to behind my ears 2 sprays of Instant Shine 2x to my chest 2 drops of A-314 (my usual dosage is 3 but I cut back to limit the seriousness) 1 drop of copulins to my index finger spread out amongst my other fingertips Lately I’ve been researching various individual pheromones because I’m trying to come up with my own formulas and ideas and I’ll be testing those out shortly. As far as this mix went the Instant Openness seemed to of meshed with everything else as a driving force that lead to everyone being completely open. I don’t know why but it seemed to leave me as the most reserved out the group, naturally I’m somewhat of a lone-wolf. I get my respect, have my own goals and not much bothers me. Way back in high school one girl told me she feels like I just naturally get “Instant Respect” (funny how now that sounds like an Androtics product). I’m with friends I usually feel very comfortable with but for some reason this time I felt very reserved ss if everybody talking openly was too much for me. I found myself laughing a lot (an NLP guru once told me laughing too much can be a sign of nervousness) but I couldn’t help it. One of my friends was in the backseat leading us in breathing & relaxation exercises while my other friend was telling him to shut up. This was the only time I ever felt incongruent with the pheromones I was wearing. I noticed when we were walking around the city the group followed my steps when I went off route but I didn’t feel the normal leader mindstate I normally feel. This is the exact same friends I hung out with the night before and reported about in my last thread for some reason I think the Instant Openness just completely overpowered the A-314 at 2 drops ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951/2 "2011-06-26T20:38:51Z")
If you could the next time round, replace the IO with IH instead and see if that works for you. If you do do it, please give an update of the results 🙂 > [@Terpines](#): > > 3 sprays of Instant Openness to behind my ears > 2 sprays of Instant Shine 2x to my chest > 2 drops of A-314 (my usual dosage is 3 but I cut back to limit the seriousness) > 1 drop of copulins to my index finger spread out amongst my other fingertips > > Lately I’ve been researching various individual pheromones because I’m trying to come up with my own formulas and ideas and I’ll be testing those out shortly. > > As far as this mix went the Instant Openness seemed to of meshed with everything else as a driving force that lead to everyone being completely open. I don’t know why but it seemed to leave me as the most reserved out the group, naturally I’m somewhat of a lone-wolf. I get my respect, have my own goals and not much bothers me. Way back in high school one girl told me she feels like I just naturally get “Instant Respect” (funny how now that sounds like an Androtics product). I’m with friends I usually feel very comfortable with but for some reason this time I felt very reserved ss if everybody talking openly was too much for me. I found myself laughing a lot (an NLP guru once told me laughing too much can be a sign of nervousness) but I couldn’t help it. One of my friends was in the backseat leading us in breathing & relaxation exercises while my other friend was telling him to shut up. This was the only time I ever felt incongruent with the pheromones I was wearing. I noticed when we were walking around the city the group followed my steps when I went off route but I didn’t feel the normal leader mindstate I normally feel. This is the exact same friends I hung out with the night before and reported about in my last thread for some reason I think the Instant Openness just completely overpowered the A-314 at 2 drops ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951/3 "2011-06-26T20:40:57Z")
I’ve had similar effects. I think if you’re going for a “base” vibe you want to go heavy on that product and then limit accent products to single doses. (the only real exception so far has been instant shine imo…you can go ape shit with that one) But while A314 is very alpha and some say overly serious, IO is light and fun, a single spray may lighten it a bit, but too much conflicts and is TOO light and fun for the serious dominant alpha status of A314. personally I’ve found that IH compliments A314 better than IO anyway. Now I’m not saying the two should never go together, but you have to know what you want to say when dosing (not to mention factoring in diffusion rates of oil vs alc) If you want a strong alpha vibe that’s not so serious as to be unapproachable, you may find a single spray of IO has a nice “lightening” effect on an A314 base. If however you want a fun, happy party mix, but want enough underlying status to avoid being considered a “class clown” type…then a light dose of A314 against a strong IO base may be more your speed. It sounds like you stumbled upon a variation of the latter. Especially considering that shine seems somewhat similar to IO in some ways. You signal was VERY fun, friendly, light and cheerful with juuuuuust a touch of respect, possibly enhanced by social proof via cops. It doesn’t seem to have had a bad effect on the people around you…quite the contrary. But it does seem that you felt like you were missing the self effect. [A314 spray](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic-spray/) might work better, OR if it’s just the self effect you were missing you might find using application points closer to your nose could help. (I believe I read that some people apply a drop to their chin so that it’s literally right under their nose for every breath) ---
**Author:** ![Terpines](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@Terpines](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Terpines)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 9:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951/4 "2011-06-26T21:20:05Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > I’ve had similar effects. I think if you’re going for a “base” vibe you want to go heavy on that product and then limit accent products to single doses. (the only real exception so far has been instant shine imo…you can go ape shit with that one) > But while A314 is very alpha and some say overly serious, IO is light and fun, a single spray may lighten it a bit, but too much conflicts and is TOO light and fun for the serious dominant alpha status of A314. > personally I’ve found that IH compliments A314 better than IO anyway. > > Now I’m not saying the two should never go together, but you have to know what you want to say when dosing (not to mention factoring in diffusion rates of oil vs alc) > If you want a strong alpha vibe that’s not so serious as to be unapproachable, you may find a single spray of IO has a nice “lightening” effect on an A314 base. > If however you want a fun, happy party mix, but want enough underlying status to avoid being considered a “class clown” type…then a light dose of A314 against a strong IO base may be more your speed. > It sounds like you stumbled upon a variation of the latter. Especially considering that shine seems somewhat similar to IO in some ways. You signal was VERY fun, friendly, light and cheerful with juuuuuust a touch of respect, possibly enhanced by social proof via cops. > It doesn’t seem to have had a bad effect on the people around you…quite the contrary. But it does seem that you felt like you were missing the self effect. > > A314 spray might work better, OR if it’s just the self effect you were missing you might find using application points closer to your nose could help. (I believe I read that some people apply a drop to their chin so that it’s literally right under their nose for every breath) Great advice. I’ll give the IO some time on the shelf and eventually get back to mixing it in a little by little and seeing where it goes. I’ll save this thread for all of my IO + A-314 interactions Also to what Johnny Gslinger said about substituting [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) in this mix, well…I once did that when I picked up this girl from my town to give her a ride (she was smoking me up) and after I dropped her off I immediately got a text from her saying that she doesn’t know why but from the moment she got in my car she just had the strangest feeling towards me. This girl was already been obsessed with me for awhile, last year she gave me a back massage and told me it turned her on. This is the same girl that use to have nothing positive to say about me when I was the underclassman in high school, now she claims that was because she had a thing for me and didn’t know a better way to express that. ---
**Author:** ![slingblade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@slingblade](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/slingblade)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951/5 "2011-06-26T21:29:10Z")
Don’t worry about laughing too much around women. If your vocal tonality and body language are clean, it will add positive energy to the set. It won’t hurt you at all. > [@Terpines](#): > > 3 sprays of Instant Openness to behind my ears > 2 sprays of Instant Shine 2x to my chest > 2 drops of A-314 (my usual dosage is 3 but I cut back to limit the seriousness) > 1 drop of copulins to my index finger spread out amongst my other fingertips > > Lately I’ve been researching various individual pheromones because I’m trying to come up with my own formulas and ideas and I’ll be testing those out shortly. > > As far as this mix went the Instant Openness seemed to of meshed with everything else as a driving force that lead to everyone being completely open. I don’t know why but it seemed to leave me as the most reserved out the group, naturally I’m somewhat of a lone-wolf. I get my respect, have my own goals and not much bothers me. Way back in high school one girl told me she feels like I just naturally get “Instant Respect” (funny how now that sounds like an Androtics product). I’m with friends I usually feel very comfortable with but for some reason this time I felt very reserved ss if everybody talking openly was too much for me. I found myself laughing a lot (an NLP guru once told me laughing too much can be a sign of nervousness) but I couldn’t help it. One of my friends was in the backseat leading us in breathing & relaxation exercises while my other friend was telling him to shut up. This was the only time I ever felt incongruent with the pheromones I was wearing. I noticed when we were walking around the city the group followed my steps when I went off route but I didn’t feel the normal leader mindstate I normally feel. This is the exact same friends I hung out with the night before and reported about in my last thread for some reason I think the Instant Openness just completely overpowered the A-314 at 2 drops ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boudicca/32/5171_2.png) [@Boudicca](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Boudicca)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 12:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951/6 "2011-06-27T00:03:24Z")
I LOVE to get my husband laughing. He’s a funny man with a great sense of humor as is, and to get him totally gone on something, laughing until he’s breathless, is just a wonderful thing. His sense of humor is one of the things that made me fall in love with him, and stay in love with him. No matter how bad the situation may be, he can always find a way to make ME laugh. Never be afraid to laugh. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 12:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951/7 "2011-06-27T00:51:23Z")
I agree, there were a couple of topics some time ago, one in the A314 forum and another here in the mens advice section questioning if it’s ok for an “alpha male” to laugh or smile. Now granted laughing CAN be a side effect of nervous energy, but if that’s the case your focus shouldn’t be on trying not to laugh, but instead on overcoming your nervousness. If somethings funny, laugh and fuck anyone that thinks you’re being beta…going out of your way to avoid looking beta is about as beta as it gets. If you’re worried about smiling or laughing, especially if you’re in a club or social setting where “fun” is the main item on the menu and you spend your time and energy trying to look as grim, stoic and brooding as possible to convey your alpha bad assedness then people are simply going to wonder why you even bothered going out to party when you’re in such a foul mood. ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 12:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951/8 "2011-06-27T00:54:08Z")
Rad gave you great advice about your mix. I might drop the couplins if I were you. Personally, though I have not used them myself, I would think that the couplins would send out a different message than A314. A314 is the high ranking leader. Sure he can get any girl he wants, but he is picky. Couplins sends out a more “slutty” message. Kinda defeating the purpose of the A314 in showing that you have high standards. Again, I have never touched couplins myself, but I just think that it seems a little bit conflicting. Also try out IH with A314, it works wonders! Good reporting, keep it up! ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951/9 "2011-06-27T00:58:31Z")
> [@Maidenfan01](#): > > Rad gave you great advice about your mix. I might drop the couplins if I were you. Personally, though I have not used them myself, I would think that the couplins would send out a different message than A314. > > A314 is the high ranking leader. Sure he can get any girl he wants, but he is picky. > > Couplins sends out a more “slutty” message. Kinda defeating the purpose of the A314 in showing that you have high standards. > > Again, I have never touched couplins myself, but I just think that it seems a little bit conflicting. > > Also try out IH with A314, it works wonders! > > Good reporting, keep it up! Not to mention he said he applied one drop…considering advice here has stated 3-6 drops in a full bottle of instant jerk is about right for getting the ratio the old jerk had…one undiluted drop sounds like quite a bit. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 2:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951/10 "2011-06-27T02:00:55Z")
Going to break down some feedback for you - > [@Terpines](#): > > 3 sprays of Instant Openness to behind my ears IO too close to your face - I put it on my wrists because honestly I become too chatty. Remember its a two-way street. And yes this is way too much to wear with A314 > [@Terpines](#): > > 2 sprays of Instant Shine 2x to my chest > 2 drops of A-314 (my usual dosage is 3 but I cut back to limit the seriousness) > 1 drop of copulins to my index finger spread out amongst my other fingertips Too much STUFF thrown in. Try more simple mixes, especially when you’ve got something thats got 10+ pheromones like A314. > [@Terpines](#): > > Lately I’ve been researching various individual pheromones because I’m trying to come up with my own formulas and ideas and I’ll be testing those out shortly. Cool dude, if you need any help give us a call! 🙂 > [@Terpines](#): > > As far as this mix went the Instant Openness seemed to of meshed with everything else as a driving force that lead to everyone being completely open. I don’t know why but it seemed to leave me as the most reserved out the group, naturally I’m somewhat of a lone-wolf. I get my respect, have my own goals and not much bothers me. Way back in high school one girl told me she feels like I just naturally get “Instant Respect” (funny how now that sounds like an Androtics product). I’m with friends I usually feel very comfortable with but for some reason this time I felt very reserved ss if everybody talking openly was too much for me. I found myself laughing a lot Laughing is GOOD! > [@](#): > > (an NLP guru once told me laughing too much can be a sign of nervousness) Whoever he is was not speaking from ANYTHING related to NLP. NLP would’ve taught him that we mirror the other person (its called rapport, a basic concept of communication) - so once you’ve fallen into that laughing state people want to be a part of it. Its also how pheromones work! 🙂 You can trust me on the NLP tip. > [@Terpines](#): > > but I couldn’t help it. One of my friends was in the backseat leading us in breathing & relaxation exercises while my other friend was telling him to shut up. This was the only time I ever felt incongruent with the pheromones I was wearing. What? Incongruent? Dude you were wearing two 2xs of Instant Shine and 3 of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). I’d say you were being SUPER congruent. > [@Terpines](#): > > I noticed when we were walking around the city the group followed my steps when I went off route but I didn’t feel the normal leader mindstate I normally feel. This is the exact same friends I hung out with the night before and reported about in my last thread for some reason I think the Instant Openness just completely overpowered the A-314 at 2 drops You were laughing and having a good time - so was your friend (also the one who was leading you in breathing exercises) You WERE the leader. Thats alpha all the way - you controlled the feel of the situation and it was good. To me you didnt FEEL alpha because of the copulins - as I’ve read a few times they do have a tendency to make people feel self-conscious about things. Not just the smell 😛 Just IO on the wrists next time - try that! Let us know how it works out! ---
**Author:** ![Terpines](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@Terpines](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Terpines)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951/11 "2011-06-27T03:13:41Z")
Don’t get me wrong I smile often and love to laugh but at certain points that night I felt like I was laughing out of nervousness. I guess I messed up with the copulins, I’ll probably be staying away from those unless I’m in a club, I wish I knew one drop undiluted was too much. Thanks for all the help everybody. Are the copulins still detectable? ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 3:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951/12 "2011-06-27T03:42:12Z")
I think in most amounts they would be detectable, I think a single undiluted drop would be unavoidable. While I’ve never used them personally I’m told undiluted as with EOW they smell like “butt cheese”. I read a post somewhere where the instructions for spiking [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) was anywhere from 1-3 drops. Figure even the higher end of three drops divided by a 200 spray bottle is sufficient for giving the “player” vibe in a product which most users suggest using 1-2 sprays at most and you get a sense of how a whole drop undiluted can be overkill. Not sure how that would contribute to you feeling self conscious, but as I said I’ve never used them myself. ---
**Author:** ![Terpines](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@Terpines](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Terpines)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 4:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951/13 "2011-06-27T04:36:41Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > I think in most amounts they would be detectable, I think a single undiluted drop would be unavoidable. While I’ve never used them personally I’m told undiluted as with EOW they smell like “butt cheese”. > > I read a post somewhere where the instructions for spiking Instant Jerk was anywhere from 1-3 drops. Figure even the higher end of three drops divided by a 200 spray bottle is sufficient for giving the “player” vibe in a product which most users suggest using 1-2 sprays at most and you get a sense of how a whole drop undiluted can be overkill. > > Not sure how that would contribute to you feeling self conscious, but as I said I’ve never used them myself. Wait so these are still noticeable on me? One thing I also noticed yesterday, we walked by a pimp with two prostitutes outside of a bar that’s been closed for awhile and he seemed to be staring at me really intently. Out of the corner of my eye I noticed he was looking at me out of the whole group, I looked over and he didn’t break eye contact and kept staring at me almost with a look of hate and disgust. > [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Going to break down some feedback for you - > > IO too close to your face - I put it on my wrists because honestly I become too chatty. Remember its a two-way street. > > And yes this is way too much to wear with A314 > > Too much STUFF thrown in. Try more simple mixes, especially when you’ve got something thats got 10+ pheromones like A314. > > Cool dude, if you need any help give us a call! 🙂 > > Laughing is GOOD! > > Whoever he is was not speaking from ANYTHING related to NLP. NLP would’ve taught him that we mirror the other person (its called rapport, a basic concept of communication) - so once you’ve fallen into that laughing state people want to be a part of it. Its also how pheromones work! 🙂 > > You can trust me on the NLP tip. > > What? Incongruent? Dude you were wearing two 2xs of Instant Shine and 3 of Instant Openness. I’d say you were being SUPER congruent. > > You were laughing and having a good time - so was your friend (also the one who was leading you in breathing exercises) You WERE the leader. Thats alpha all the way - you controlled the feel of the situation and it was good. > > To me you didnt FEEL alpha because of the copulins - as I’ve read a few times they do have a tendency to make people feel self-conscious about things. Not just the smell 😛 > > Just IO on the wrists next time - try that! > > Let us know how it works out! As far that NLP guy he really reminds me of the way Steve P. (a NLP/PUA guru mentioned in the book ‘The Game’ by Neill Strauss) sounds in his audio recordings. I’m through the basics of ‘Changing Your Life With NLP’ and I’m planning to get ‘Intro to NLP’ real soon but at that point in time I had no idea what NLP was, I just thought he was really good at leading a conversation. This was an old man with Crohn’s disease, we were smoking with him and he’s a Maine medical marijuana user. The way he talked was distinctly reminiscent of what I’d learn was NLP. He spoke with pauses, emphasized certain things, I think he even said the map is not the territory. He was friends with the girl I was visiting with my friend, she was an old friend of mine and we were just hanging out. This man started talking dirty! He most of built a lot of comfort with this girl because she just kept laughing to everything he said, he then said “laughing ‘that much’ - shows your…nervous” In a specific tone with pauses he went on to say stuff like; “It…_would_ ..be,fun if we [insert gang bang reference here]… - You’d be excited” She kept laughing. Later that night after her left me and her got it on with my friend waiting in the other room. I feel like he planted the thoughts in her mind, there was some last minute resistance in the living room but none when we got to the bed room and I got past the LMR with body language and physical seduction, very little verbal but I was teasing her. We moved to the bed room and it was on. I guess what he said about the laughing had nothing to do with NLP but if this guy wasn’t familiar with NLP he would be the best natural I ever heard speak ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 5:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/note-to-self-keep-io-away-from-a-314-report/50951/14 "2011-06-27T05:04:23Z")
> [@Terpines](#): > > **Wait so these are still noticeable on me?** > > One thing I also noticed yesterday, we **walked by a pimp with two prostitutes** outside of a bar that’s been closed for awhile and he seemed to be staring at me really intently. Out of the corner of my eye I noticed he was looking at me out of the whole group, I looked over and he didn’t break eye contact and **kept staring at me almost with a look of hate and disgust**. He probably thought “Damn, that boy is fast. Been fingering the goods and I never even saw it.”