# Now it's time to create one for the ladies. **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 17, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958 "2009-06-17T19:07:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/1 "2009-06-17T19:07:37Z")
As you may or may not know, I have been working on Panty Scorcher for Men for quite some time now, and recently I hit upon what I expect to be the final formula. Now that is starting testing, and I am turning my sights to a version for the ladies. It’s going to be called Jock Strap Scorcher. Just kidding. 😃 Seriously, though… what I need from the ladies (since I am not one myself) is a guide as to what you all want this mix to actually do. I knew what I wanted the PS mix to do, cause I’m a guy… but I can’t switch to female and know what you all would most want also. So I am asking. Ladies… what would be the perfect effect set for a single phero product for you? Both self effects and effects on others. I will see what I can do to make it. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/2 "2009-06-17T19:21:59Z")
A sensual, lovey-dovey, googley eyed, respectful, sexual, bombastic mix - for SO’s. An insta-respect coupled with a TAC “yes master” like effect - for work. A perky, look at me, I’m awesome and hot effect - for play. Work one with TAH and one with TAL, for both vibes. 😉 Just a tip. Good luck!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/3 "2009-06-17T19:50:40Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > As you may or may not know, I have been working on Panty Scorcher for Men for quite some time now, and recently I hit upon what I expect to be the final formula. Now that is starting testing, and I am turning my sights to a version for the ladies. It’s going to be called Jock Strap Scorcher. > > Just kidding. 😃 > > Seriously, though… what I need from the ladies (since I am not one myself) is a guide as to what you all want this mix to actually do. I knew what I wanted the PS mix to do, cause I’m a guy… but I can’t switch to female and know what you all would most want also. So I am asking. > > Ladies… what would be the perfect effect set for a single phero product for you? Both self effects and effects on others. > > I will see what I can do to make it. Meo-Est, EST, TAC, TAF, Beta Androstenol, P79, P80, P91, P102, P103, and cops. And call it: _“Taking You to the Promised Land”_ Oh, wait! I already made that! \ 😃 Diane ---
**Author:** ![jlynn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/977dab/32.png) [@jlynn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jlynn)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/4 "2009-06-17T20:40:50Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > A sensual, lovey-dovey, googley eyed, respectful, sexual, bombastic mix - for SO’s. > An insta-respect coupled with a TAC “yes master” like effect - for work. > A perky, look at me, I’m awesome and hot effect - for play. > > Work one with TAH and one with TAL, for both vibes. 😉 Just a tip. > > Good luck!! 😃 Tigerlilly, Wow now THAT I would buy in an instant. Sounds Purrfect!😃 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/5 "2009-06-17T21:17:59Z")
Uh, okay, ladies… one rule. There will me only one mix. Therefore, it cannot be self contradictory and requiring two mixes. lol ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/6 "2009-06-17T21:20:19Z")
Well, just goes to show you that we have a multifaceted and complex need for differing mixes. We are not one easy to please bunch. Make a Status mix and some will want a sex mix. Make a sex mix and some will want a Status mix. We are somewhat limited here at the moment, but highly desiring of great, quality, multifaceted mixES. Good luck. I hope you have as great success as you are having with the PS mix. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tessa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Tessa](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tessa)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/7 "2009-06-17T21:34:49Z")
I think your idea for a ladies mix is a great idea, Catlord! Tigerlily is right, though…we want a variety of different things. Personally, what I would want is a mix that made the user give off a happy/friendly/fun vibe with an undercurrent of mystery and sexuality that would make a guy want to get closer. Maybe use a tiny bit of androsteRone for mystery and status. I think it works well in women’s mixes in small doses 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/8 "2009-06-17T22:00:00Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Meo-Est, EST, TAC, TAF, Beta Androstenol, P79, P80, P91, P102, P103, and cops. > > And call it: > > _“Taking You to the Promised Land”_ > > Oh, wait! I already made that! \ 😃 > > Diane Lol do you have one that uses the stuff that doesnt make me a flame breathing dragon lady? 😃 or ideas for one. ^.,.^ I’m in love with p78 right now lol any ideas for a sexual or cuddly blend off that? ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/9 "2009-06-17T22:44:49Z")
I am going to have to do a lot of specific research before I begin… which [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) should I be focusing on, ladies? (Copulins is a given, and isn’t a pheromone.) ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/10 "2009-06-17T23:14:07Z")
Depends on the vibe you want - TAH vs TAL. For research purposes, start in the IS a vs B thread started by Stormwarrior recently - read through. Then hit up Lor’s journal. Somewhere in the middle, Diane, Lor and I dissect the TAH vs TAL vibe and what it means. Then probably look into EST or [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/). Low P102 and P013 are very good - have a look at Diane’s Instant Bliss for inspiration. Check out Ariadne’s Instant Infatuation as well - good use of P86 in that one. P86 is a great integrator. Works well with lots of stuff. 'Rone seems to work well with many of the ladies here as well. I’d steer away from P83 in this one… but will probably be outvoted… 😉 I’ll try to think of more… really depends on where you want to go with it… work, social, sexual, etc… ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/11 "2009-06-17T23:25:29Z")
p78 and p80 are two estrogen derived pheromones I’d love to try. Even as a male. Isn’t p80 a female favourite here? p103 is crazzzzy, I’d never put it in a status mix. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/12 "2009-06-17T23:42:37Z")
Check out Diane’s Instant Bliss for a good us of P103. P80 is a definite good one, but has a finite range for use in differing mixes. It’s heavy, grounding, and commanding. Great for status! Good for sexual and relationships too, but with trickier doses. Oh, and some of the ladies here love Meo-est too. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/13 "2009-06-18T00:25:56Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > p78 and p80 are two estrogen derived pheromones I’d love to try. Even as a male. Isn’t p80 a female favourite here? p103 is crazzzzy, I’d never put it in a status mix. P80 has always been classified here as a male [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) molecule because it is so flipping powerful. I’m amazed to hear it is an estrogen-derived molecule. I know that it is sexy as hell and gets my heart pounding and my breathing fast (with the right stimulation… ha!) and makes me feel very, very young again. Mix that with a little TAC and a little candlelight… and the rest of the goodies and… zomg! 😛😮😃 And P103 - in a really small amount mixed with Meo-Est is uber pleasure-inducing. Diane ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 5:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/14 "2009-06-18T05:38:40Z")
Very interesting. Perhaps I should presume then that this mix should be a female version of Panty Scorcher after all… PS is actually designed to be erotic, social, and relationship building. I was kind of aiming for “slowing him down and speeding her up” so the two can meet in the middle. I know of at least one romantic relationship that has begun as a result of PS testing, but PS is probably too erotic for what you ladies are after… several times, PS testers have reported that sore and exhausted girlfriends/lovers have cut them off after a number of days so the girl could recover. naturally, you won’t be wanting to make your men _that_ crazy. Or… _do_ you? lol so let’s see… uber sexy vibe for her… snuggly “come purr me” vibe… can’t keep my eyes off you vibe to affect him… come talk to me you dumbass vibe aimed at him… feel good for both… and uh… LTR? Or are we wanting to avoid the LTR vibe? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 9:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/15 "2009-06-18T09:05:37Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > p78 and p80 are two estrogen derived pheromones I’d love to try. Even as a male. Isn’t p80 a female favourite here? p103 is crazzzzy, I’d never put it in a status mix. Neither of these are estrogen derived in my opinion. What would make you think they were ? 😕 Most reports that I have accumilated in my research and from here indicate they are both masculine mones. P80 gives a anone effect to most women I have had use it. They become edgy and down right evil with to much on but without the arousal. Smaller amounts have been good for a grounding alpha female vibe though. P78 is more anol like and easier for a women to wear. I cant drive using it though cause it makes me kinda loopy and I have been told this by a few of my testers as well. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 9:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/16 "2009-06-18T09:31:51Z")
I just found this from 2006: `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2418` > [@Women wearing male Pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-wearing-male-pheromones/244/3): > > However, I don’t think I’d recommend Safari just yet. I’d rather see you diving into the estrogen-based putatives. Give [P78](https://pheromonelabs.com/) and P80 a whirl. We’re adding a few more putatives by next week, too, and a bunch of them are estrogen-based. Don’t worry, I’ll keep you posted. But does that mean both P78 and P80 are estrogen derived? 😮 Wow! Diane ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 9:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/17 "2009-06-18T09:45:24Z")
Ahhh Yes I remember this post, that explains it. I asked about that around the time of it and remember her telling me that the estrogen based one came out after P78 and P80 and she would like to see more women trying the androgen’s as well. In fact its right at the top of my notes. This post is the one that made me buy the next set that came out which she told me was estrogen based though. I wish her pheroblog was still up. There was a lot of great insights into the putatives in it. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 9:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/18 "2009-06-18T09:52:14Z")
I still think I’ll PM Mike to clear it up. She says, try the estrogen based ones. P78 and P80. And then talks about a bunch of other estrogen-based putatives that were released around the same time. If it is true that these are estrogen-derived, then a lot of misinformation was passed down because of Tacitus reporting, and everyone assuming from his reports that P80 was male. And since this is one of my favorite molecules, it would be good to clear it up once and for all. Diane ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 9:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/19 "2009-06-18T09:59:50Z")
A lot of the information passed down was from blind testing Diane. If your impling that I go by Tactitus’s reporting your way off the mark. It would be good to find out since most of MHarris posting about these two surround the use of androstedienone and they are predominate in the male products like safari and A314. Not used often in the women’s mixes though. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 10:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/20 "2009-06-18T10:20:43Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > A lot of the information passed down was from blind testing Diane. If your impling that I go by Tactitus’s reporting your way off the mark. > > Tisha If you are implying that I’m implying anything other than what is directly stated, you are way off the mark. I just want to hear this from the horses mouth, as it were, because there are two different things being said here by Jasmin and Tacitus, as I’m reading them. Clarity is a good thing. Anyway, I’ve PM’d Mike and cc’d Jasmin with a link to her original post and this one. Hopefully, Mike or Jasmin will see it and respond. Diane [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958.md?page=2)