# Now it's time to create one for the ladies. **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 17, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958 "2009-06-17T19:07:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 10:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/21 "2009-06-18T10:36:38Z")
> [@](#): > > I just want to hear this from the horses mouth, as it were, because there are two different things being said here by Jasmin and Tacitus, as I’m reading them. Oh I agree I would like to hear it as well because it will be interesting info for my research at least and I will get to see if what I was told verbally coincides with what they are saying now. As you know I don’t just test on myself like a lot of members. I have a line up of about 25 people who share in the testing experience with me. Two of my female testers with P80 reported some PMS like feelings with it and this would explain a lot about that. Could be that whatever molecule this is it may be the one responsible for those effects in women. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 10:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/22 "2009-06-18T10:56:49Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Oh I agree I would like to hear it as well because it will be interesting info for my research at least and I will get to see if what I was told verbally coincides with what they are saying now. > > As you know I don’t just test on myself like a lot of members. I have a line up of about 25 people who share in the testing experience with me. Two of my female testers with P80 reported some PMS like feelings with it and this would explain a lot about that. Could be that whatever molecule this is it may be the one responsible for those effects in women. > > Tisha You should get your friends to come and report on the forum. That would be great! Diane ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 11:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/23 "2009-06-18T11:43:33Z")
You know, P80 really was the key molecule that put the fireworks back into my sex life by ramping up my desire and the intensity of my pleasure to such a high degree. Although I only use a small amount, it is the key molecule for my romp mixes. I’d love to see more women testing this molecule and it would be a real shame if they were inhibited from testing with it because of believing it is an androgen-derivative rather than an estrogen-derivative molecule. Whether it is an androgen or an estrogen doesn’t matter to me because it is a gem either way. 😛 Diane ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/24 "2009-06-18T19:11:22Z")
🙂 p78 majorly in love with p78. Diane you were right about the p74 with me gave it a run major super bitchies. [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/).. I’m not sure whats going on with p83 but it seems to have a distancing effect with men on me which is odd. Tisha you’re very much correct p78 has an anol type of vibe but seems less manic to me. Wildflower baby if you wanna try p78 give it a whirl 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/25 "2009-06-18T21:38:35Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > You should get your friends to come and report on the forum. That would be great! > > Diane Then I couldn’t call it blind testing could I ? LOL I just give them a bottle with no label and ask them to try this or that out for me and tell me how they feel and any reactions they may notice. I have asked Mare and Greg to both pop by when they have a chance though. > [@](#): > > You know, P80 really was the key molecule that put the fireworks back into my sex life by ramping up my desire and the intensity of my pleasure to such a high degree. Yes I remember that from your sex mix a few months back. I haven’t hit on a dose that does that for me with P80. How much are you using normally ? I really wish it was a Gem for me but I guess its just like [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). That one gives you some trouble but I love it. Some things don’t mesh with our natural chemistry’s which is why I think its gonna be tough for Catlord to come up with something that will fit a majority of the women. It seems to happen more with the women then the men. The PMS irritability had me little stumped and thinking “none like” especially because the men are getting the respectful alpha vibe wearing it but if it is a estrogen derivative it could explain that and get us closer to the answers Lor was asking up in her journal. Its good either way for me to but like you said… knowing is better. 😉 By the way How are you coming along since your surgery ? Tisha ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 10:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/26 "2009-06-18T22:13:08Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Then I couldn’t call it blind testing could I ? LOL I just give them a bottle with no label and ask them to try this or that out for me and tell me how they feel and any reactions they may notice. I have asked Mare and Greg to both pop by when they have a chance though. nice… > [@tisha23](#): > > Yes I remember that from your sex mix a few months back. I haven’t hit on a dose that does that for me with P80. How much are you using normally ? I really wish it was a Gem for me but I guess its just like P83. That one gives you some trouble but I love it. Some things don’t mesh with our natural chemistry’s which is why I think its gonna be tough for Catlord to come up with something that will fit a majority of the women. It seems to happen more with the women then the men. > > The PMS irritability had me little stumped and thinking “none like” especially because the men are getting the respectful alpha vibe wearing it but if it is a estrogen derivative it could explain that and get us closer to the answers Lor was asking up in her journal. Well, yes, the variability factor is one of the tough things about most pheromones, and why I think customer support is so necessary. I think eventually, if studied enough, what you will find with pheromone effects and their difference is an underlying genetic difference in receptor morphology, and reactivity. Actually, I’m confused about the PMS thing, you keep saying regarding estrogen. Estrogens are normally calmative and sexual for women. Although the causes of PMS are not clear, it is during the time of the _drop_ in Estrogens and when estrogen stops being made that PMS symptoms are worse - the two weeks prior to menstruation - and PMS is usually non-existent during the first half of the cycle when estrogens are on the rise. I’ve never heard of someone getting PMS from estrogen, only from it’s drop or lack. > [@tisha23](#): > > Its good either way for me to but like you said… knowing is better. 😉 > > By the way How are you coming along since your surgery ? > > Tisha After a week I’m finally out of pain, and still waiting for a call back from the hospital. That could take another week. I have the swine flu, so intermitent fever, GI tract symptoms, and a cough from hell that seems to get better, then come back with a vengeance. Thanks for asking. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/27 "2009-06-18T22:19:33Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > I have the swine flu, so intermitent fever, GI tract symptoms, and a cough from hell that seems to get better, then come back with a vengeance. Good thing you’re a little ummm “mature”, we just had a [20 year old girl](http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/18/1m18flu233248-swine-flu-victim-was-escondido-resid/?northcounty&zIndex=118625) die from it. Like the 1918 Spanish flu, it seems to do the most damage to the young during the initial run. ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 10:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/28 "2009-06-18T22:27:08Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Ladies… what would be the perfect effect set for a single phero product for you? Both self effects and effects on others. Ohhh… A wishlist! 😃 Personally I’d love to see a mix that is sexy and seductive at the same time as it’s a bit fun and sprakly. Not too overtly sexual, and not too much cute & cuddly bonding but somewhere in between 🙂 I’d probably include - Cops (lots of it!)… yeah, that’s a given I know - Meo-EST & P83 for that happy sauce effect - EST to make the guy a li’ll more protective than just thinking with his smaller brain 🙄 - Alpha-nol… A hefty dose to give that fun sparkle - P91 to give you that extra respect - [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) for the social & harmonizing effects - P86 to give you that pretty air brush effect 😛 ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 10:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/29 "2009-06-18T22:29:56Z")
> [@ElectraComplex](#): > > 🙂 p78 majorly in love with p78. Diane you were right about the p74 with me gave it a run major super bitchies. P83.. I’m not sure whats going on with p83 but it seems to have a distancing effect with men on me which is odd. > > Tisha you’re very much correct p78 has an anol type of vibe but seems less manic to me. > > Wildflower baby if you wanna try p78 give it a whirl 🙂 Have you done any reports on this one (P78)? It is one I’ve been thinking of trying. Diane ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/30 "2009-06-18T22:32:27Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > Good thing you’re a little ummm “mature”, we just had a [20 year old girl](http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/18/1m18flu233248-swine-flu-victim-was-escondido-resid/?northcounty&zIndex=118625) die from it. Like the 1918 Spanish flu, it seems to do the most damage to the young during the initial run. Well, so far it doesn’t seem to have mutated to the deadlier form. So far from the reports I’ve seen people of all ages are dying in small numbers. And they each have had an underlying medical problem. With the deadlier form, you get a immunologic storm - with total systemic collapse. That hasn’t been seen with this iteration of the flu - yet. Diane. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 10:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/31 "2009-06-18T22:39:12Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Well, so far it doesn’t seem to have mutated to the deadlier form. So far from the reports I’ve seen people of all ages are dying in small numbers. And they each have had an underlying medical problem. We may have just have come across it: > [@](#): > > Her death Monday continued to puzzle local health officials, who couldn’t explain why the virus quickly became fatal to a person who otherwise seemed to have been healthy. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 11:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/32 "2009-06-18T23:04:06Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > We may have just have come across it: Well, see that is puzzling too. Because if she’d been suffering from DIC, they would suspect it right away from the petechia. And remember that one point does not a trend make. I doubt we’ve crossed that barrier yet. Diane ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 11:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/33 "2009-06-18T23:18:13Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > And remember that one point does not a trend make. True, but… ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/34 "2009-06-19T00:45:37Z")
> [@](#): > > I have the swine flu, so intermitent fever, GI tract symptoms, and a cough from hell that seems to get better, then come back with a vengeance. 😮 Di, That’s terrible. I hope you called your doctor. Your just recovering from your surgery which could have made you more susceptible to it. Your up and about so that’s a good sign. > [@](#): > > Actually, I’m confused about the PMS thing, you keep saying regarding estrogen. Estrogens are normally calmative and sexual for women. What I meant by PMS like is not the bloating and cramps but the anxiety and agitation. This is what they reported. I am not a doctor and I am just discussing possibilities from things I read in researching other molecules. My MD always told me when I was on the pill which was mainly estrogen that I could lose my sex drive and I did. So while its sexual in nature derivatives may not be. She had to change it three times before I could find one that didn’t do this to me. I didn’t have agitation though like Mare and Jane do with P80 and I don’t have agitation myself unless I wear to much I do get the “I am sparta” effect you reported though. I did stumble upon this article which could be useful in figuring it out. I have a few bottle so I may need to test some more. [Basic learning about estrogens](http://www.psycheducation.org/hormones/estrogenbasics.htm) You didn’t say how much you used normally for the sexual reaction you get. If it is a Estrogen derivative it would be interesting though and useful to know for some women. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/35 "2009-06-19T01:11:48Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > 😮 > > You didn’t say how much you used normally for the sexual reaction you get. > > If it is a Estrogen derivative it would be interesting though and useful to know for some women. > > Tisha Oh, sorry! I started really low, 2.5 mcg… I got effects at this low dose. I eventually tested up to 25.0 mcg. For a while I was applying it separate from the other molecules at 5.0 mcg. At this dose (sprayed on after a meo-est/taf/betanol/P102/P103 mix) was my best effects… tons of excitement. And 5.0 mcg is still my favorite amount. 🙂 As for [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), wearing it alone, I had no problems. Looking back over my journal it was only in combination with Edge (androstenone) or P80 that the over the top irritability and frustration was a problem. I have not gone back to retry this molecule without the other two, yet. I did get a good desire response from my husband on numerous occassions with this molecule (P83). But it was the pissiness and unexpected irritation/attacking from my husband that drove me away from it. ☹ I don’t see that with P80 at all. Diane ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 4:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/36 "2009-06-19T04:34:11Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Have you done any reports on this one (P78)? It is one I’ve been thinking of trying. > > Diane I’ve been toying with it since last weekend I decided to give it its first run june 13th at about 1 am.It’s a sweet molecule. 🙂 > [@P78 bomb aka Come out and Play](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p78-bomb-aka-come-out-and-play/29959): > > I’ve been gone because I’ve been testing. Actually been out of the house and mingling. smiley P78 OMG. I love this one. On me happy perky but balanced vibe. Brings out my sense of humor nice attention from others. Its very cheerful kind of instant happiness for me. Takes longer to effect others than myself but this one I’m seriously considering using in my hair. major \<3’s works like shine is supposed to but doesn’t really for me. Probably a good alternative for people who don’t handle taa… ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 4:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/37 "2009-06-19T04:52:37Z")
Does anyone have a “pounce me” mix? 2 year anniversary end of this month with the bf and I want to spice things up.Drive the boy wilder than usual ectra.Something very primal. Cops alone has him rolling around on the bed and snuffling me like a cat with catnip but er doesn’t go anywhere actually whats interesting is if I try to initiate while wearing cops he backs off. He’s a bit..Repressed in general.Can’t really talk about sexual things without getting embarrassed ect. I kind of want to get a vibe like when we first met and we were all over each other like rabid bunnies. Piffle. ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 5:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/38 "2009-06-19T05:05:01Z")
> [@ElectraComplex](#): > > He’s a bit..Repressed in general.Can’t really talk about sexual things without getting embarrassed ect. aww poor puppy!! :o oddly, I find that kinda adorable… even though it’s not healthy lol must be a very very shy man. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 10:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/39 "2009-06-19T10:35:09Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > 😮 > > My MD always told me when I was on the pill which was mainly estrogen that I could lose my sex drive and I did. So while its sexual in nature derivatives may not be. She had to change it three times before I could find one that didn’t do this to me. I didn’t have agitation though like Mare and Jane do with P80 and I don’t have agitation myself unless I wear to much I do get the “I am sparta” effect you reported though. It may actually have been the ratio of progesterone to estrogen that was the problem with your pill. That is the more likely scenario. When I first went on the pill a long time ago (1978 - woo, boy!) they gave me a very, very high estrogen dose pill. The only side effects I had was it totally screwed up my cycle for years. I get a little sick if I wear 25.0 mcg or more of P80. It’s hard to describe the feeling… kinda just a little _“not right.”_ At higher doses I didn’t get more aggressive, or more of anything really, just that slight feeling of unwellness. > [@tisha23](#): > > I did stumble upon this article which could be useful in figuring it out. I have a few bottle so I may need to test some more. > > [Basic learning about estrogens](http://www.psycheducation.org/hormones/estrogenbasics.htm) From the article linked above (bold are my comments - I removed the bits where the effects were not specified): > [@](#): > > - an increase in brain _norepinephrine_ levels; _ **- in the brain this has arousal and antidepression effects** _ > - a decrease in _dopamine_ release; _ **- lowering of irritation/aggression** _ > - protective effects on _acetycholine_ systems (possibly thereby protecting against Alzheimer’s disease); > - an increase in _endorphin_ levels in the brain as well as the bloodstream; _ **- increased pleasure and sense of well-being** _ > - promotion of the production of _allopregnanolone_, a “neurosteroid” with strong antianxiety effects; and - hypnotic and anti-anxiety effects; stress reduction > > * * * Wow this part of the article was intriguing: > [@](#): > > **Theme Two: Too much estrogen may also be bad, perhaps associated with anxiety/agitation** > …] > Two studies have shown that estrogen can treat depression in perimenopausal women: first came a study from Harvard showing that an estrogen patch worked;[Soares](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11386980&dopt=Abstract) and more recently smaller study from UCLA with similar results.[Morgan](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15960574&query_hl=3) (There is also an “open trial”, meaning no control group, from Harvard [Cohen](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12900318&query_hl=5)). …] And this: > [@](#): > > But even something so seemingly simple as raising the estrogen levels we know are falling during perimenopause runs into some problems. One research team found that **in women with severe mood/anxiety symptoms (so-called borderline personality disorder, _an unfortunate term and very complex condition)_, there was in increase in symptoms when they went on birth control pills, though only if they already had a high level of estrogen.[DeSoto](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12812862&query_hl=7)** Might they have been getting too much estrogen overall this way? Or perhaps the sudden increase was the problem? That might indicate an underlying genetic difficulty with estrogen or estrogen pathways. > [@tisha23](#): > > If it is a Estrogen derivative it would be interesting though and useful to know for some women. > > Tisha Agreed. Diane ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 10:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958/40 "2009-06-19T10:56:17Z")
> [@ElectraComplex](#): > > Does anyone have a “pounce me” mix? 2 year anniversary end of this month with the bf and I want to spice things up.Drive the boy wilder than usual ectra.Something very primal. > > Cops alone has him rolling around on the bed and snuffling me like a cat with catnip but er doesn’t go anywhere actually whats interesting is if I try to initiate while wearing cops he backs off. > > He’s a bit..Repressed in general.Can’t really talk about sexual things without getting embarrassed ect. > > I kind of want to get a vibe like when we first met and we were all over each other like rabid bunnies. > > Piffle. I think when trying to design a mix for a specific effect it is important to really think about what you want those effects to be on your intended target guy. So, first, I’d sit down and really try hard to remember everything about the way he was when you first met. What characteristics (all of them) do you want to recapture? Those responses are ones you want to stimulate. And then think of the way he is now. What is different? What do you want to change? Those responses are ones you want to depress or inhibit. And then the hard part of testing and observing happens… some molecules have different effects on different people. For example… TAF… for some people it has social anxiety relieving effects… 🙂; for others it causes fight-or-flight or startle response… ☹ Another example is P79… at low doses it can be an intensifier and a real kicker… 🙂; at too high a dose or in wrong combination it can easily high-jack a mix and produce unintended consequences. ☹ You will have to test each component to know what the effects will be. And then some effects are dose dependent. You will have to test to find out the optimal range for each component. And in a mix some components will act differently… so each mix is still an unknown. I’m particularly interested, personally, in fine tuning mixes for desired responses, so a lot of my testing is geared towards that. Diane [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/now-its-time-to-create-one-for-the-ladies/29958.md?page=3)