# NPA - Can someone double check my math **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 14, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684 "2009-07-14T16:55:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/1 "2009-07-14T16:55:43Z")
According to the website following website, NPA has .48 mg of Pheromones per mL. That means that it has 480 mcg of pheromones per mL. [http://pherolibrary.com/reference/product-table.html](http://pherolibrary.com/reference/product-table.html) **Calculation of pheromones per spray if pure NPA was put in a togo bottle** 1. A togo bottle can hold 5mL of liquid. 480 mcg/mL \* 5mL = 2,400 mcg Pheromones per bottle. 2. A togo bottle contains about 40 sprays. 2,400 mcg/40 sprays = 60 mcg pheromens per spray The first conclusion that if one were to put pure NPA into a togo bottle, they would get 60mcg of pheromones per spray. **Togo bottle - mcg of pheromones per spray at a 6:1 ratio of cologne to NPA ratio** (60 mcg/spray) / 7 = 8.6 mcg pheromones per spray **Togo bottle - mcg of pheromones per spray at a 5:1 dilution cologne to NPA ratio** (60 mcg/spray) / 6 = 10 mcg pheromones per spray **Togo bottle - mcg of pheromones per spray at a 4:1 dilution cologne to NPA ratio** (60 mcg/spray) / 5 = 12 mcg pheromones per spray **Togo bottle - mcg of pheromones per spray at a 3:1 ratio of cologne to NPA ratio** (60 mcg/spray) / 4 = 15 mcg pheromones per spray That’s the pheromone concentration of [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/), right? **Togo bottle - mcg of pheromones per spray at a 2:1 ratio of cologne to NPA ratio** (60 mcg/spray) / 3 = 20 mcg pheromones per spray **Togo bottle - mcg of pheromones per spray at a 1:1 ratio of cologne to NPA ratio** (60 mcg/spray) / 2 = 30 mcg pheromones per spray Is my math correct? How bad would a 1:1 ratio of cologne to NPA smell? ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/2 "2009-07-14T17:40:09Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > How bad would a 1:1 ratio of cologne to NPA smell? Can only say … get a dropper and do one drop of your scent and one drop of NPA in TO GO bottle, and let it sit. You’ll have your answer, and waste just a little of your product. The scent has to have balls to hold NPA’s naughty-sexual-funk … I use those old faithfuls … Curve and Jovan Musk. Tis good! Tis good! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ToBeOrNotToBe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eb9ed0/32.png) [@ToBeOrNotToBe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ToBeOrNotToBe)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 6:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/3 "2009-07-14T18:33:53Z")
So, if you use a ratio 5:1, you will be getting 5 mcg of -none and 5 mcg of their “special ingredient” per spray of a to-go bottle. That’s still a very reasonable ammount of -none. Gegogi, do you find NPA to be the most efficient product for sexual hits? I’ve read some reports of people putting A7 above NPA. What do you think? I would say this mix combined with Instant Shine and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) would make a hell of a combo. With no extra need for covering… ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/4 "2009-07-14T19:54:30Z")
NPA is the best sexual product I have used, and I have tried lots over the years. The main problem is most guys are too lazy to dilute it 5:1. It’s just not user ready out of the bottle. Even 5:1 dilution may be too powerful for younger guys. Full strength is usually a quick ticket to OD and disappointment. I have NPA premixed in 3 different Sephora atomizers with 3 of my fav colognes. Just spray 'n go… ---
**Author:** ![peregrine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/peregrine/32/499_2.png) [@peregrine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/peregrine)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/5 "2009-07-14T20:16:37Z")
Gegogi, I have been using 6WAGG:3PI:1NPA at 2 sprays from a Nordstrom atomizer. I top it off w/ 2-3 inches of PCC. So far so good. My theory is the NPA “powers up” the PI. No OD so far as I feared. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/6 "2009-07-14T20:55:38Z")
Use of WAGG counters androstenone bigtime. But, yeah, you can wear more -none with WAGG. I just ran out of WAGG but I find TAA and alpha nol smooth out the raw edges of NPA just as well, albeit more chatty. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/7 "2009-07-14T20:57:56Z")
> [@peregrine](#): > > Gegogi, > > I have been using **6WAGG:3PI:1NPA at 2 sprays from a Nordstrom atomizer**. I top it off w/ 2-3 inches of PCC. So far so good. My theory is the NPA “powers up” the PI. No OD so far as I feared. Geezus! 😮 STOP! Do **yourself** a favor … for **ONE WEEK** … use JUST 2-3 drops to the neck with your favorite smell-you-good or PCC. Tis the WAGG that’s taming the beasts (NPA & PI). > [@ToBeOrNotToBe](#): > > I’ve read some reports of people putting A7 above NPA. What do you think? I hope you put that in your notes … **ONE SIZE DOESN’T FIT ALL** when it comes to mones. It’s been said over and over and over again. What works for you, may do nothing for me or BillyBob, or BillyBob and I. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![peregrine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/peregrine/32/499_2.png) [@peregrine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/peregrine)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/8 "2009-07-14T21:46:47Z")
Gegogi/M&M, Thanks for the info. I was using WAGG as an alternative to SOE, which had horrific effects w/ my body chemistry. As soon as I started sweating a bit, a stink bomb went off. I had never found any information where WAGG was used in conjunction w/ anything else. No worries though. Just received my order from AD this morning and will be putting the other mones away for awhile to play w/ A314, IS, IO, IH, and ammo. Next time correct me before making a stupid newbie trick.😛 Peregrine ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 11:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/9 "2009-07-14T23:11:36Z")
> [@ToBeOrNotToBe](#): > > So, if you use a ratio 5:1, you will be getting 5 mcg of -none and 5 mcg of their “special ingredient” per spray of a to-go bottle. That’s still a very reasonable ammount of -none. > > Gegogi, do you find NPA to be the most efficient product for sexual hits? I’ve read some reports of people putting A7 above NPA. What do you think? > > I would say this mix combined with Instant Shine and Instant Openness would make a hell of a combo. With no extra need for covering… There is no information about the ratio of None to their secret ingredient in NPA. I would suspect that it would be a larger percentage of None and a smaller percentage of the secret ingredient. But who knows? ---
**Author:** ![ToBeOrNotToBe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eb9ed0/32.png) [@ToBeOrNotToBe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ToBeOrNotToBe)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/10 "2009-07-14T23:35:29Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > There is no information about the ratio of None to their secret ingredient in NPA. > I would suspect that it would be a larger percentage of None and a smaller percentage of the secret ingredient. But who knows? I remember reading in the LS forums that it was 50-50. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/11 "2009-07-14T23:46:09Z")
> [@ToBeOrNotToBe](#): > > I remember reading in the LS forums that it was 50-50. Actually it’s more like 50-25-25. NPA/m has 2 “secrets” and NPA/w has 3.🙄 ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/12 "2009-07-14T23:54:55Z")
I think Androtics product that most closely resembles NPA or TE is [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) and Instant Jerk as secret ingredients too. Each spray of IJ has 12.5 mcg of -None and 2.5 mcg of other pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![ToBeOrNotToBe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eb9ed0/32.png) [@ToBeOrNotToBe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ToBeOrNotToBe)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/13 "2009-07-15T08:24:40Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > Actually it’s more like 50-25-25. > > NPA/m has 2 “secrets” and NPA/w has 3.🙄 Indeed. I was including these 2 “secrets” in the “secret stuff”. 😃 50% none 50% “secret stuff” ---
**Author:** ![SinisterSam](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sinistersam/32/407_2.png) [@SinisterSam](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SinisterSam)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 2:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/14 "2009-07-20T14:18:14Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > **Togo bottle - mcg of pheromones per spray at a 5:1 dilution cologne to NPA ratio** > (60 mcg/spray) / 6 = 10 mcg pheromones per spray How many sprays (or how many mcgs) could one get away with? I have ordered some NPA and plan to mix it with Armani Code and I usually do 2-3 sprays of cologne for starters. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/15 "2009-07-20T16:27:45Z")
> [@SinisterSam](#): > > How many sprays (or how many mcgs) could one get away with? I have ordered some NPA and plan to mix it with Armani Code and I usually do 2-3 sprays of cologne for starters. It really depends on the individual but you should start low and work your way up. Also, I don’t know for sure if the calculations I made in this post are correct. No one has yet confirmed or disputed the numbers I came up with. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/16 "2009-07-20T16:31:05Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > It really depends on the individual but you should start low and work your way up. > > Also, I don’t know for sure if the calculations I made in this post are correct. **No one has yet confirmed or disputed the numbers I came up with.** The only people that can REALLY do that is the company that makes it. Guessing is cool, but … A small batch of 3:1, 4:1 and 5:1 COLONGE:NPA is advised … 2-3 sprays should give you a good reading. You can’t rush it … test each for a good 7 days … from there, you should have a GOOD idea as to what works for you. Happy Hunting! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![reishi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reishi/32/411_2.png) [@reishi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/reishi)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/17 "2009-07-21T03:22:39Z")
So, with NPA, do you wear it with your a314 if you are using it or do you pick one or the other? I want to give it a good college try but I have not gotten a concise answer as how you would use NPA. Does it replace your alpha vibe or does it do something differently all together? Make you alpha by making you sexy? Safe for work? ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/18 "2009-07-21T04:13:09Z")
> [@reishi](#): > > So, with NPA, do you wear it with your a314 if you are using it or do you pick one or the other? I want to give it a good college try but I have not gotten a concise answer as how you would use NPA. Does it replace your alpha vibe or does it do something differently all together? Make you alpha by making you sexy? Safe for work? NPA is supposed to be very sexual so it’s not safe for work. The closest thing Androtics has to NPA is instant Jerk and that is not safe for work either. NPA can attract women but also agitate people. Don’t wear it anywhere where it would be bad if you agitated people. Since it’s a -None based product, NPA has a strong alpha vibe. If you already have a strong alpha vibe, it might not be the right product for you. I’ve been wearing [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) at the same time as I’ve been wearing A314 and it does increase the amount of female attention I get when I’m out. I have not yet tried my NPA yet but when I do, I will also wear A314 at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/19 "2009-07-21T04:21:42Z")
Nothing some socials can’t fix or help to buffer that vibe. All you will need is to dabble with certain ratios of socials with NPA in this case to make you appear more welcoming. > [@metalTree](#): > > Since it’s a -None based product, NPA has a strong alpha vibe. If you already have a strong alpha vibe, it might not be the right product for you. ---
**Author:** ![SinisterSam](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sinistersam/32/407_2.png) [@SinisterSam](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SinisterSam)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684/20 "2009-07-22T17:08:45Z")
So… I finally got my NPA today! I markered off my androtics to-go bottle, but I soon discovered that the love-scent droppers are pieces of #$%! It got all over my arm, but I was able to get the right amount into the to-go bottle, and I mixed it in a 1:3 ratio with Armani Code. I typically don’t have a problem with going big on -none, and I’m letting a skeptic friend try it out and want to make sure he knows it’s legit (even an OD shows that it does ‘something’, so I can dilute further if/when needed). I’m plan to administer it alongside maybe 20mcg [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) and see how it goes, after I shower and get all this extra NPA (cat piss/sh1t/vomit) off me! [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-can-someone-double-check-my-math/30684.md?page=2)