# Npa + p74???? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 29, 2011, 12:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-p74/51514 "2011-07-29T12:47:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Latinboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9fc29f/32.png) [@Latinboy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Latinboy)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 12:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-p74/51514/1 "2011-07-29T12:47:31Z")
Hey guys i got a question for you experts, do you think its a good idea mix NPA with p74?? i am not telling about to spray one on my skin and then the other one, im telling to mix both and one bottle, maybe in 1:5 radio?? what do you think?? or maybe NPA with Instant honesty doing the same, mixing both and the same bottle 1:5 radio, do you think the properties of each one (NPA, IH) are going to stay intact?, thanks ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 1:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-p74/51514/2 "2011-07-29T13:03:28Z")
NPA/P74/IH is one of my favourite base combos. See the recent NPA threads for more datails on mixing and doses. 🙂 Mixing in bottles is generally inadvisable but TBH, plenty do it for convenience alone. So long as you are up on getting the proportions right, I don’t see a great problem, except that [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) might be a bit light for covering the NPA? ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-p74/51514/3 "2011-07-29T19:05:11Z")
NPA is Like Hitting your Target with a Hammer so Using Some Socials in the Mix is Advisable to Say the Least… [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) and even P78 would Decent to Get them Close and Keep them There so that NPA can Do it’s Thing… I just Started Testing P78 and it Seems to Make People Happy to Be in Your Presence… It Also Just Destroys ANY Social Anxiety so People Feel more Free to Say and Do as they Feel… Careful as These Effects WILL Hit You Also… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 9:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-p74/51514/4 "2011-07-29T21:28:31Z")
I don’t see the point of mixing them together in a bottle. Its your property you can mix them together all you want but its been said many times that layering is the only way to truly make sure you’re mixing properly and getting the best out of the combination. ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 10:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-p74/51514/5 "2011-07-29T22:05:43Z")
My Main Concern with Mixing vs Layering is Simple… By Layering you can Adjust to the Situation at Hand… With Mixing you are Kinda Stuck and Have to Make Due… Also with Mixing One Error and You are OUT of Some Rather Costly Product… ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 10:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-p74/51514/6 "2011-07-30T10:58:09Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > I don’t see the point of mixing them together in a bottle. Its your property you can mix them together all you want but its been said many times that layering is the only way to truly make sure you’re mixing properly and getting the best out of the combination. I don’t really understand how the mones could suffer from being mixed in a bottle. It’ still the same stuff, whether it’s layered on your skin or blended in the vial. I don’t know if there is a difference. One would have to experiment to find out. I mix the products in a to go sometimes when I want to bring a mix with me somewhere. Two or three bottles would be kind of hard to fit in my jeans pockets with the wallet, keys, phone etc. already being there. Four or more would mean I’d need a man purse and I’d rather just die with my boots on than be found dead with one of those hanging on my shoulder. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hammer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/90db22/32.png) [@The\_Hammer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/The_Hammer)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 2:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-p74/51514/7 "2011-07-30T14:25:27Z")
The disadvantage of mixing in a bottle is that once the mix is made, it is made. You can’t readjust and retest to create repeatable results. What if you create a mix and then it doesn’t work? You tried it out for a week to find out that you were getting some off the wall hits that hurt you instead of helped you. You say, great… well, I’ll just add a molecule or two to lighten things up… and now you have a great mix! Everything works and all is fantastic in the world. Except that even if you wrote down the recipe it would be expensive to recreate it or would involve some heavy math and more trials to get it right again. You already used a few sprays of the original mix, remember? If you ever want to create this mix again you would need to waste all those original sprays or figure out exactly how much was left in the bottle between those sprays and adding new molecules and then figure out the exact ratio of all the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) again and then figure out how to make a new batch. Too complicated for me, especially if we are asking the questions for an early stage of a mix. IMO, if you are asking if combining X and Y is a good idea, you shouldn’t be starting off in the mixing stage of the scientific process. Start with the layering stage for the mix. Then, when you want to fine tune things even further, then it make sense to use mixes. You see, while making mixes does have the unfortunate disadvantage I noted above, it does have the distinct advantage of being more precise than layering. With layering, you are mostly stuck with what AD gives you. Want a putative in your blend? Well, you can order it in 10mcg/spray if you would like to start out. But what if that is too much? Easy, dilute it to 5mcg with the other thing you were going to add anyway. Easy 1:1 ratio. You could do that easily with basic layering, but what if you wanted 3.8mcg per spray of that and then 5.8 mcg/spray of another one and so on? That is when mixing really shines. The precise measurement of pheromones in such mathematically complex ratios is completely doable with mixing. But just speaking for myself, I’m not nearly advanced enough to start mixing in a bottle and if I ever graduate to such knowledge and skill I’m not going to start with a group of pheromones with interactions that I’m not sure about. But like JS said, it is your property. Do as you wish. That being said, I think you’re mostly talking about combining a few sprays into an empty 5ml, which can result in convenience and isn’t a waste at all, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-p74/51514/8 "2011-07-31T15:35:10Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > I don’t really understand how the mones could suffer from being mixed in a bottle. It’ still the same stuff, whether it’s layered on your skin or blended in the vial. > > I don’t know if there is a difference. One would have to experiment to find out. > > I mix the products in a to go sometimes when I want to bring a mix with me somewhere. Two or three bottles would be kind of hard to fit in my jeans pockets with the wallet, keys, phone etc. already being there. Four or more would mean I’d need a man purse and I’d rather just die with my boots on than be found dead with one of those hanging on my shoulder. The problem is that you are locked into it. There’s no adjusting and it hinders your ability to tweak. Also, unless you are handling everything with laboratory-like precision you are probably contaminating which can harm molecules. But most of all you are locking yourself right in without having any room to adjust and develop. When we develop formulas we layer before we commit a batch to an MX. Courtesy of Michael Harris: > [@Your Skin is a Pheromone Mixing Canvas](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-skin-is-a-pheromone-mixing-canvas/34388): > > July 24th, 2009, 02:01 PM In the late 90s, with Erox advertising heavily on the radio, I first tried these products. I had always written off pheromones as much as I would astrology (bad astrology from carnies, anyway), but I figured if they were spending so much to advertise such a product, it might be worth a shot. And hey, it’s even available in normal department stores. I don’t have to call a 900# or go to a strange, smelly sex shop or anything fishy. So I tried the product. Did smashingly… Quote: Originally Posted by **MHarris** - **July 24th, 2009, 02:01 PM** In the late 90s, with Erox advertising heavily on the radio, I first tried these products. I had always written off pheromones as much as I would astrology (bad astrology from carnies, anyway), but I figured if they were spending so much to advertise such a product, it might be worth a shot. And hey, it’s even available in normal department stores. I don’t have to call a 900# or go to a strange, smelly sex shop or anything fishy. So I tried the product. Did smashingly well with women in a PROFESSIONAL sense, in work environments. They were easier to work with than ever. They really seemed to enjoy my presence, even though I seemed less capable than ever of actually saying much around them. I was unusually reticent. You could say that Erox’s product seemed to hand women to me on a platter, but made ME feel and act so silent, that I had something like the world’s worst case of approach anxiety. Something, curiously enough, I didn’t have when I WASN’T wearing the product. It was like a mean trick or something. “Here, here’s all the ladies… they’re going to love you, but but you can’t talk to them, and you won’t feel very good around them” A sinister trick, heh! 🙂 On the other hand, men that I had closer relationships with were kind enough to suggest that I shower for my own good, even if I had showered just an hour before going to work. “And hey, look guys, I even put on this fresh smelling cologne! I can’t possibly stink!” Fast forward a few years, and forums like the one at Love Scent and [Pheromone Store](https://a314.com/shop/) start, where I’m finally able to see or share experiences with others. I start to see that others experience similar results, and that hey, this stuff from Erox actually seems to cause depression in some men. The reticence (the lack of the urge to speak or really share myself) I was experiencing probably was just an extension of mild depression that I experience wearing the product. This lets me know that a) Even with the more legitimate companies like Erox working on and marketing pheromones, they still don’t know what they hell they do. They were just guessing and/or hoping they’d work some kind of magical sexual juju, or self-esteem juju (the radio commercials often focused on the way it’d make the WEARER feel, which was awfully ironic considering what the damn stuff did to me!) and b) It starts my era of trying different molecules, and finding out that… goddammit.. nobody even doses these things like you do Tylenol! (which is deadly if you use too much) Basically, there was no way TO test them in a scientific way. While everyone complains of “overdosing”, at the time they were all using a half drop of Primal, a 3" rub of APC, 5 inches of that goop, and a dab of this goop over here. It’s massively stupid. They complain of “overdosing”, but what do they think is going to happen with imprecise tools like this? If SEARS carried pheromones, do you think they’d be designed like this? Nah! They tell you to use a size 0 jeweler screwdriver for a size 0 screw. No need to ind the world’s smallest butter-knife to unscrew something, and screw up your screw in the precision. Craftsmen has PRECISION tools. That’s what all these guys needed. PRECISION TOOLS. If you don’t want to overdose on product, you need to DOSE the products! Duh! Simple problem, simple solution. You do the products to be exactly what the Tylenol or aspirin is like in your closet. There’s the 69mg aspirin that people who have heart problems can take every day, and the 325mcg kind for those with more acute problems like headaches, problems that need bigger guns for immediate relief. I tried to convince some companies into dosing their products, making them precise TOOLS, but they’d have none of it. They all liked the fact you’d mix a third of 3 products together, mess up the mix, and have to throw it all away. Waste meant profits to them, but I hated that. It was a waste of time and money (a lot of these experiments, people would waste $50 of products at a time). I don’t even think they believed in pheromones enough to want to support actual research. But I did. I knew from the negatives there was a “reality” to pheromones, even if it wasn’t pretty. But when I have a curiosity, I want it sated. I want to KNOW what the real deal is, even if it’s not the best thing in the world. I like reality. Thus my own project with it’s own toolset was born. The targets were: Number 1. I wanted to see what the REALITY of these products actually were. I didn’t want to alpha Androstenol was the sex bomb if it made people chatty. Just tell me it makes people chatty, and other REAL effects, and leave it at that. I can deceive myself just fine, thank you very much – I don’t need other people doing it for me. If androstadienone makes women deliriously happy, and some men (including me) deliriously depressed… then so be it. Lay it on the line and tell me how it really is. You can’t build anything on a lie. It doesn’t work. A house won’t stand on a false foundation. You build it with CONCRETE. Same thing with science. You need CONCRETE data to build a smashing product off of. You don’t need hallucinations and false hopes. You can’t build anything on that stuff. It was probably Andrew Galambos who first applied the idea of DURABILITY to ideas. DURABILITY to things like freedom. Good stuff, his work. I wish more scientists read his work. They’d less apt to indulge in science fraud then. (too many studies are far too influenced by the study leader, or by the funding source) The fact is, a little hard work with different REALITIES tends to make fantasies come TRUE. It makes dreams real. We really do live on a beautiful, abundant planet. While many studies fail, and many of our attempts at things are failures, there’s are just building blocks for eventual success. Reality is a GOOD thing to embrace, but very few do. I do. Sure, it seems sad to fail in the short term, but when you know that really trying things and embracing reality works long term, it’s a very happy process. It makes marvelous values that really have longevity. I knew that maybe pheromones didn’t provide the advertised goal as a social-sexual lubricant they were advertised as, but they did _something_ useful. Maybe that something wasn’t sexy, but not everything is sexy. (and it turns out, of course, pheromones are involved in just about every aspect of human to human communication – from the sexy stuff to the business stuff – so my bet that they did SOMETHING paid of. Before my involved, nobody ever really researched anything non-sexual before. They – even academic scientists who should’ve known better – always lumped everything into the sex category, which has turned out to be very wrong) Number 2. I wanted great quality chemicals, and fully dosed products. Thus ExperiMones were born. ExperiMones are set apart by the fact that the world’s leading steroid chemist (who is now nearing his retirement, btw) synthesizes them all. Completely predictable, high quality synthesis in these products. They’re also differentiated by the fact that they’re NOT meant to be mixed in a bottle. You’re never meant to unscrew the things. You’re meant to mix ON THE SKIN. So, every morning and night, you could make a new mix a new mix. In the morning, let’s say, you could spray on 3 sprays of 10mcg Androsterone. 2 sprays of 25mcg Alpha Androstenol. 2 spray of Beta Androstenol 2.5. That kind of thing. So you’ve now built a mix that looks like this: 30mcg Androsterone 25mcg Alpha Androstenol 5 mcg Beta Androstenol Wow, look at that… a “new” untested product, created in under 1 minute, by using just 7 sprays from 3 different bottles. That’s _efficient_. As efficient as real science should be, as efficient as Sears make the removal of Size #0 screws by selling Size #0 screwdrivers. You can now build a new morning mix, every single day, and see how it works. After work, after a good shower, you can build a good evening mix every single day, see how it really works. Now, instead of mixing in the bottle, and creating lots of wasted product that’s useless… you can make mixes right on your skin, try them immediately, and then try out a new mix 8 hours later or so after a good scrub down. Some mixes won’t work as well as others. Some won’t work well at all. You have to maintain a mental distance from your mixes, and understand that failure is part of success. The people who fail the most, succeed the most. That’s the #1 rule of success right there, and it applies to just about everything. So the key is, failure is just learning. And so are mediocre results, too. Now with every learning, your mixes next week will certainly be better than your ones from last month. You start to a build an internal model of how pheromones work, how different molecules work. Something the world has never seen before. Basically, regular daily use of the ExperiMones as designed, starts to make you into a _Pheromone Genius_. Just like Professor Richard Feynman had a model of the world built in his head, you too start to build a model of pheromone world inside your head. You become powerful with these tools with regular use, just like someone who works with good quality physical tools becomes a master craftsman eventually. This system catalyzed my own testing _tremendously_. After a year or so of trying to do a quarter of a drop of Primal for Men, and 3 dabs of this, and 2.3 drops of that, I wasn’t making any headway. Especially because these companies seemed to formulate product too sloppily each time, so by the time you got your one, it might not work the same way as last time. Trying to use all that crap that even the BEST pheromone vendors had was all like trying to build a physical house on QUICKSAND. It was ultimately an exercise in frustration. In futility. However, by developing the dosed experimone system, with good quality, dosed by spray chemicals.. and by using it every morning and evening to create and explore new mixes, I gained knowledge through both success and failure and breakneck speeds. I finally had traction. I started to create new mixes that were even worth sharing at breakneck speeds. I was able to make better quality, more accurately described products than everyone else very, very quickly. You do it in the bottle… and you’re stuck with it. You’re married to it. The fact is, in life, you’re gonna kiss a lot of frogs, before you find a princess worth spending some time with. Same with pheromone mixes. You’re going to create lots of horrible, or at least LESS THAN PERFECT mixes, before you really find a great one. A truly spectacular, crowning achievement. Once it’s mixed together in a bottle, you’re stuck with it for awhile, unless you throw the darn thing away. On the other hand, the ExperiMone systems lets you “date” 2 new mixes a day without any waste. It also lets you modify a bad mix to see if you can make it good. It’s the system I developed for my own use early on, and wanted to share it with others so they could save their time and money, too, and really create something spectacular. People who create new systems like this are often burn themselves out creating the system, and aren’t as able to benefit from it as our second and third generation users. Take NLP, for instance. Richard Bandler hasn’t benefited from it nearly as much as Tony Robbins has. Tony was able to stand on the shoulders of giants, and touch clouds Bandler wasn’t able to. I expect the same of the ExperiMone system. It was such a pain in the ass to set up this whole experiment, this whole projects… to go through years of trying different chemists, different delivery systems, different diffusion systems, etc. I kissed a lot of frogs, before I found the found the princesses and princes to make the ExperiMone system what it is today. And now it’s all done for you, both you and everyone on the forum. It’s all handed to you on a shiny silver platter, awaiting it’s proper use so you can become rapidly become a bonafide pheromone genius yourselves. I expect folks here to be able to take the system I’ve made and ultimately do even better with it than I did. Your passion can go into the actual mixes, whereas a lot of mine was wasted with basic technical problems, and finding the right partners, suppliers, etc., to make the precision tools in the first place. (heck, I should probably edit some of this and post on the forum so I can encourage just that) Now – as a key influencer here, as someone people COPY the actions of, it’s very important that you know and understand this (obviously 🙂). If there’s anything I left out or any questions you have on how to use the ExperiMone system properly, just let me know. I’m at your service. At least for awhile. …]I started something useful here that has ended up helping many people. I want to make sure it continues. The proper use of the ExperiMone system is really key to that. It’s actually beyond silly to return to that “bad old way” that some stores had, while we have a truly refined system available. Pheromone Testing 2.0. Or 3.0.\*